Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[sogood]

DC native Thomas Robinsons PER 36 numbers after 13 games with Philly:

18.5ppg, 17.7 RPG, 1 steal per game


But use our roster spot on Tourre Murrrayyy doe

Sixers got dibs because of their record.

That's not exactly how that works. I think, I could be wrong.

Robinson was set to sign with the Nets but the Sixers claimed him off waivers. Teams with the worst record get first dibs on waived players.

Here was a tweet from Woj.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/549321625716666368[/tweet]

[gambitx777]

Sixers got dibs because of their record.

That's not exactly how that works. I think, I could be wrong.

Robinson was set to sign with the Nets but the Sixers claimed him off waivers. Teams with the worst record get first dibs on waived players.

Here was a tweet from Woj.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/549321625716666368[/tweet]

I knew the 76ers took him just to **** over the nets and I knew it had something to do with the tax and cap space but I did not know it had something to do with the record. I thought it was a bid type thing. The more you know !

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

According to my newfangled "Real Trade Value" toy, Beal and Gortat would be too much to trade for Kevin Love -- at least as Love has performed this season. And that's without accounting for salaries.

Toys R Us doesn't sell RTV toys.

I would purchase one of them for me.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

According to my newfangled "Real Trade Value" toy, Beal and Gortat would be too much to trade for Kevin Love -- at least as Love has performed this season. And that's without accounting for salaries.

Good. Then we can add Webster and Shumpert to the deal. And we don't have to keep Shumpert for more than a season (hence the term Shumpadump).

The Wizards need to see if anyone wants Webster--assuming Martell wants out.

My thoughts: Trade this coach first, because guys right now are stressed. Don't assume the real trade values of any Wizard is what it appears.

If I were coach of the Wizards, K would rest John Wall 3 games. I would rest Nene about the same. I would give Pierce 7 games to have fun.

I would start Sessions and Webster at G. I would tell Beal for three games he might only get spot minutes off the bench.

I would bring Rasual Butler and Otto Porter in my office and ask them who should be starting at SF with Pierce out?

I would start Seraphin and Gortat at PF and C, and I would ask Gooden and Blair how do they want to split minutes at 4 and 5?

Bottom line: Organizations need to stay fresh. People need motivation and hope. Complacency must never be tolerated. Every one of the players and coaches are INCREDIBLY BLESSED TO HAVE JOBS!

I have coached youth and taught and been an AF officer. I do think before I got fired, I would open some eyes and get trade values higher. Each and every player needs to be treated with RESPECT. But at the same time they need not get too full of themselves. Replace employees like McDonald's does if necessary.

Trade thread point: Wittman's system and preferences have certain players way low.

As a coach I would call out Shaquille O'Neal. He's killing Otto Porter because IMO Shaq is a hater. I would say that Shaq wouldn't care if McGee or Otto Porter commit suicide. I would say guys like Shaq ruin families and **** friends wives. Lay off my player big black a hole.

But then again that would be too direct.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Sorry, but I am at times protective of young people. Porter might be injured, sick, or otherwise distracted. Shaq is not helping him.

McGee makes many gaffes and he's largely overpaid and oft ineffectual. However, he had one great playoff game against healthy Andrew Bynum and the Lakers, who had healthy Kobe and effective Pau.

McGee is reviled and considered an idiot now, a lot because Shaq hates on him. The Nazis demonized Jews and eastern European people. In the US, as recently as the 40s and early 50s, portraying blacks as tar babies, in black face, and as dumb cowards was good fun for Hollywood movies.

Shaq is no different. Bullying is being done by TBS because they condone it.

Kris Humphries is too solid a player and pro for it to have ruined him but a couple years back they made fun of Humphries over Kim K.

Porter needs tough skin and to play better, but Shaq needs to be put on blast for the hater that he is. I know he is funny, intelligent,and highly entertaining most of the time, but he's embarrassing families and killing careers, too.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trade value of Porter is very low now thanks to Shaq.

[Induveca]

Trade value of Porter is very low now thanks to Shaq.

Porter has just proven himself incapable of competing at this level. He's too weak, still looks overwhelmed 90% of the time. Considering he's been around the NBA for nearly 21 months now, he doesn't deserve anymore excuses.

Maybe he becomes an end of bench guy, but I really hope they find a way to trade him for some type of value. Beal/Porter/Gortat for Cousins/whatever works for me.

Ahh to dream of a Wall/Durant/Cousins combination.

[Dark Faze]

I don't really see him as overwhelmed. He defends his position well and understands the system. He just looks like a guy who is fine with fitting into whats going on right now and not trying to step on toes. He'll pass up anything that isn't a sure wide open jumper basically, and like Brad, he can't really create off the dribble.

[BruceO]

still salty about enes kanter. seeing the numbers he's putting up in okc is what I expected.

Another thing I'd hoped for ages ago during John walls draft when we had multiple draft picks was somehow picking up Cousins. I thought the people being slotted ahead of him like Evan Turner etc we had guys we could have offered in exchange. Philly was in win now state and The javale mcgees, Blatche and nick young may have worked. Plus other picks. But perhaps not. I've always wanted cousins on the wizards.

Enes is another I've always wanted but he was drafted ahead of Jan vesely. He's another people have doubted but dude is a beast. Maybe defense is an issue but you take him for the value he offers. Forget redundancy. He would have made our bigger contracts tradeable cause we have a replacement.

Anyway I see him never being let off that team. If we have q chance to trade for embiid. I'd offer Beal just for the possibility of that examination. NBA level due diligence of course but he's another guy I have faith in. I believe shooting guard talents are replaceable.

[Dark Faze]

Ernie can't build a winning team. That's been proven. Just gotta hope Leonsis realizes it.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Trade value of Porter is very low now thanks to Shaq.

Porter has just proven himself incapable of competing at this level. He's too weak, still looks overwhelmed 90% of the time. Considering he's been around the NBA for nearly 21 months now, he doesn't deserve anymore excuses.

Maybe he becomes an end of bench guy, but I really hope they find a way to trade him for some type of value. Beal/Porter/Gortat for Cousins/whatever works for me.

Ahh to dream of a Wall/Duarant/Cousins combination.

I think I could get on board with this. At this point, I'd be looking at any type of Beal, Porter, Nene/Gortat deal that brings back a good big to team with Wall & KD... Cousins, maybe Love, Monroe, Aldridge. But Cousins would definitely top the list I think.

[Induveca]

Trade value of Porter is very low now thanks to Shaq.

Porter has just proven himself incapable of competing at this level. He's too weak, still looks overwhelmed 90% of the time. Considering he's been around the NBA for nearly 21 months now, he doesn't deserve anymore excuses.

Maybe he becomes an end of bench guy, but I really hope they find a way to trade him for some type of value. Beal/Porter/Gortat for Cousins/whatever works for me.

Ahh to dream of a Wall/Duarant/Cousins combination.

I think I could get on board with this. At this point, I'd be looking at any type of Beal, Porter, Nene/Gortat deal that brings back a good big to team with Wall & KD... Cousins, maybe Love, Monroe, Aldridge. But Cousins would definitely top the list I think.

It's a calculated ballsy chess move, not an incremental improvement which seems to be the Wiz' schtick. Let's hope Cousins clashes with Karl/Ranadive sooner rather than later......and EG grows a pair like he did shipping out Kwame a decade ago.

But it has to be done prior to next year before Porter is written off completely by the league. He's already becoming a regular joke on national television. We've seen this before (McGee), someone will make Otto a reclamation project after next year and make an offer the Wiz (thankfully) don't match. Or there is a real possibility if he never becomes more than he is today, he's off to Europe.

Play the upside card while it still hopefully exists.

Wall/Sessions
Lou Williams/draft pick
Pierce/Singler
Nene/Humphries
Cousins/Blair

Not a team that will blow anyone away but leaves Durant as a viable option and would have hope.....shuffling pieces around Wall/Cousins is a no brainer.

[thricethefun]

still salty about enes kanter. seeing the numbers he's putting up in okc is what I expected.

Another thing I'd hoped for ages ago during John walls draft when we had multiple draft picks was somehow picking up Cousins. I thought the people being slotted ahead of him like Evan Turner etc we had guys we could have offered in exchange. Philly was in win now state and The javale mcgees, Blatche and nick young may have worked. Plus other picks. But perhaps not. I've always wanted cousins on the wizards.

Enes is another I've always wanted but he was drafted ahead of Jan vesely. He's another people have doubted but dude is a beast. Maybe defense is an issue but you take him for the value he offers. Forget redundancy. He would have made our bigger contracts tradeable cause we have a replacement.

Anyway I see him never being let off that team. If we have q chance to trade for embiid. I'd offer Beal just for the possibility of that examination. NBA level due diligence of course but he's another guy I have faith in. I believe shooting guard talents are replaceable.

I think close to everyone wanted Kanter over Jan but Kanter got picked at #3 and was off the board when we were picking.

[BruceO]

I think close to everyone wanted Kanter over Jan but Kanter got picked at #3 and was off the board when we were picking.[/quote]

but Then Enes was available during trade season and OKC in material gave up so little for him. .I don't even know what they gave. We tanked a whole year and came up with Jan, where we could have given up a little material and came up with Enes Kanter. Instead im hearing stories about redundancy and lack of defense. May be true but to me his talent at his age is undeniable and he was an underpriced asset.

This team as is is failing. We are hoping to get Durant and if it fails maybe cousins. If that fails well just be a treadmill team. We are a treadmill team as we wait for the opportunity because we are too afraid to make moves. I think in uncertainty there is opportunity. moves should be made as aggressively as possible and when durants time comes im sure we can shed contracts. I'd rather an aggressive front office that tries and fails that one that is too comfortable. We are on on a monumental losing streak we win a couple here and there but these few weeks somethings very wrong. Coaching wise or personnel wise..and we stood pat

[BruceO]

Also there are certain players who for their majority of their career you need to overpay for. But there's moments when all of a sudden they are attainable. For instance. The cost of rudy Gobert if you knew he was possibly going to be special would have been just a first rounder and drafting him. Now you'll never get him. The cost of cousins now is high. Pre draft it was a high draft pick or convincing the teams ahead of him you can give them more for their picks. Next time it could be low is him forcing his way out.

Beyond that there's players like Bogut, Monta Ellis, igoudala, Boris draw, chandler. Players who have proved to be solid but the team situation forces a trade and for a moment they are laughing stocks. Philly is accumulating picks because that's a good buy low scenario. No one knows who the picks will bring so they don't value them. Dallas, San Antonio, golden state warriors takes players who no longer are as valued but can still play just as well in reality.
I wanted k mart during trade season cause I think we have a wing problem. Someone poopood the idea. What happened next? Dude came and dropped 28 points on us when we played him. Cousins who was constantly laughed at pre draft and his first few years in the league now has people believing in his ability.

If these players were never available at all perhaps id forgive the front office. But If they never tried to make moves on certain people I'd be supremely disappointed. If embiid is available especially with the possibility of sixers picking a big, you evaluate what he could truly become and you make a move for him. I'd give up Beal for him atm tbh. I don't have Nba access to back my claim. But NBA pfs who can play Center win championships. its why Davis can win one and Embiid as well. I'd trade Beal for embiid and then later think of cousins or durant. i believe before he plays a game this will be the lowest value he'll be. But once he does he'll be untouchable

[Earth2Ted]

still salty about enes kanter. seeing the numbers he's putting up in okc is what I expected.

Another thing I'd hoped for ages ago during John walls draft when we had multiple draft picks was somehow picking up Cousins. I thought the people being slotted ahead of him like Evan Turner etc we had guys we could have offered in exchange. Philly was in win now state and The javale mcgees, Blatche and nick young may have worked. Plus other picks. But perhaps not. I've always wanted cousins on the wizards.

Enes is another I've always wanted but he was drafted ahead of Jan vesely. He's another people have doubted but dude is a beast. Maybe defense is an issue but you take him for the value he offers. Forget redundancy. He would have made our bigger contracts tradeable cause we have a replacement.

Anyway I see him never being let off that team. If we have q chance to trade for embiid. I'd offer Beal just for the possibility of that examination. NBA level due diligence of course but he's another guy I have faith in. I believe shooting guard talents are replaceable.

There's a bunch of us that would love to see us move Beal for a big man like Embiid, Cousins, or Kevin Love- and honestly never wanted to draft him at #3 in the first place- his last game in the NCAAs Bradley just flat out could not finish at the rim, and if he couldn't do it there, how was he going to do it at the NBA level?

You look at Beal with his struggles and his injuries, and then Porter and Vesely being all we have to show for 3 trips to the lottery... it hurts to think about the big men we could have and should have had in their places

[fishercob]

Trade value of Porter is very low now thanks to Shaq.

Porter has just proven himself incapable of competing at this level. He's too weak, still looks overwhelmed 90% of the time. Considering he's been around the NBA for nearly 21 months now, he doesn't deserve anymore excuses.

Maybe he becomes an end of bench guy, but I really hope they find a way to trade him for some type of value. Beal/Porter/Gortat for Cousins/whatever works for me.

Ahh to dream of a Wall/Durant/Cousins combination.

The numbers tell a different story. He's certainly not being put in positions to accentuate his strengths.

[Induveca]

Trade value of Porter is very low now thanks to Shaq.

Porter has just proven himself incapable of competing at this level. He's too weak, still looks overwhelmed 90% of the time. Considering he's been around the NBA for nearly 21 months now, he doesn't deserve anymore excuses.

Maybe he becomes an end of bench guy, but I really hope they find a way to trade him for some type of value. Beal/Porter/Gortat for Cousins/whatever works for me.

Ahh to dream of a Wall/Durant/Cousins combination.

The numbers tell a different story. He's certainly not being put in positions to accentuate his strengths.

There comes a point when the "insufficient playing time" argument no longer suffices as an excuse. Over a long period of time, that lack of opportunity almost always points to being deemed inadequate to fulfill a job by peers and/or superiors.

That scenario adds a variable which disrupts the equations of Per 36 numbers etc, perception/reality (these two usually collide with time).

He has gotten progressively worse throughout the season. This after being exposed to NBA practice/workplace environment for 21 months. That's sufficient time to make a realistic judgment on his ceiling.

[fishercob]

Porter has just proven himself incapable of competing at this level. He's too weak, still looks overwhelmed 90% of the time. Considering he's been around the NBA for nearly 21 months now, he doesn't deserve anymore excuses.

Maybe he becomes an end of bench guy, but I really hope they find a way to trade him for some type of value. Beal/Porter/Gortat for Cousins/whatever works for me.

Ahh to dream of a Wall/Durant/Cousins combination.

The numbers tell a different story. He's certainly not being put in positions to accentuate his strengths.

There comes a point when the "insufficient playing time" argument no longer suffices as an excuse. Over a long period of time, that lack of opportunity almost always points to being deemed inadequate to fulfill a job by peers and/or superiors.

That scenario adds a variable which disrupts the equations of Per 36 numbers etc, perception/reality (these two usually collide with time).

He has gotten progressively worse throughout the season. This after being exposed to NBA practice/workplace environment for 21 months. That's sufficient time to make a realistic judgment on his ceiling.

I'm not talking about playing time, even though that's an issue.

I'm talking about productivity metrics. Otto's ORtg is 105 and is WS/48 is .084. While neither of these numbers are exciting in and of themselves,there are more 20-22 year olds than you can count who were similarly or less productive and went on to really good careers.

I've been posting here for long enough that I think most will agree that I have never been a big "blame the coach" guy. But I can't look at Otto and the state of the Wizards and pretend it's not a significant developmental factor. We're talking about a guy that think Kevin Seraphin is good, that put Martell Webster on the ball in a critical end-of-game situation, that has no understanding or interest in basic math, etc.

So yeahm if Witt and Ernie stick around I think it's plenty likely that Otto won't amount to much. But his track record leads me to believe that he can grow into a very good NBA player with the right direction and development.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trade value of Porter is very low now thanks to Shaq.

Porter has just proven himself incapable of competing at this level. He's too weak, still looks overwhelmed 90% of the time. Considering he's been around the NBA for nearly 21 months now, he doesn't deserve anymore excuses.

Maybe he becomes an end of bench guy, but I really hope they find a way to trade him for some type of value. Beal/Porter/Gortat for Cousins/whatever works for me.

Ahh to dream of a Wall/Durant/Cousins combination.

Induveca, he really is weak as you say.

I won't write Otto Porter off. He started a game in which the Wizards won by 37 points. Otto has a high basketball IQ. He has a nice mid range stroke and three point range.

If I were coaching Porter would be the starting SF.

Noel looked like crap early on, too.