Nerlens Noel should be rookie of the year

brannigan73 · Post #1 » by **brannigan73** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:16 pm

I'm not going to bore people with a bible here but if you look at the advanced stats a pretty strong case can be made for Noel to be rookie of the year. The only advanced state Wiggins leads in is ESPN's BPM. Per, Win Shares, and VORP all point to Noel. To condense it down Wiggins have been worse then a replacement level player while Noel has been comfortably better. If Noel plays these last 12 games likes he has been playing since the All-Star break the gap is going to get a little wider on these metrics. Why are people making such a big deal about a guy scoring 16ppg? Have we time travelled back to the the 80's analyses wise? I thought people were smarter these days. I'm not saying Wiggins doesn't have a good case but like zero people are touting Noel and I really think his case is slightly stronger at this point and we still have roughly a dozen games to go or so.

Beffiosa · Post #2 » by **Beffiosa** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:21 pm

He is my rookie of the year.

WIN · Post #3 » by **WIN** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:31 pm

I think the ROTY was determined months ago honestly. Once Jabari went down, everyone looked at Wiggins to take over the race and he did, while other rookies like Noel and Mirotic still didn't blossom like they have recently. If we had another 25 games to go, then maybe Noel or Mirotic pile up enough games to win it, but now that the season is almost over, so is the ROTY race. Wiggins has it in the bag.

laploutocratie · Post #4 » by **laploutocratie** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:33 pm

Holy **** the insecurity with Noel is unreal.

snoopdogg88 · Post #5 » by **snoopdogg88** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:44 pm

watching him on a nightly basis, it's unreal how good he's been post all star break.

he's already a monster defensively. offense is improving.

SactoKingsFan · Post #6 » by **SactoKingsFan** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:53 pm

Noel's in the running but I'd probably go with Mirotic.

Post #7 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:04 pm

I agree that Mirotic has been the best rookie. IMO

nyk97 · Post #8 » by **nyk97** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:08 pm

you guys are looking at how noel and even mirotic have been playing RECENTLY and have been crowning them. wiggins has been good all*** season. emphasis on ALL.

SMH · Post #9 » by **SMH** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:10 pm

laploutocratie wrote:Holy **** the insecurity with Noel is unreal.

What insecurity? Lol he's been playing pretty good and fair to say hes in the ROY race.

BlackKnight · Post #10 » by **BlackKnight** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:13 pm

nyk97 wrote:you guys are looking at how noel and even mirotic have been playing RECENTLY and have been crowning them. wiggins has been good all*** season. emphasis on ALL.

Defensively, Noel has been doing it ALL season. Yes, Noel has only shown improvement on offense as of recent but Noel has been killing it in most defensive metrics.

Post #11 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:15 pm

Noel's pre-ASB numbers are not all that impressive. He's broken out recently, but I don't think he's had the best season.

Pre-ASB: 8.2 ppg on 44.5% FG and 56% FT, 7.2 rpg, 1.7 blk, 1.6 stl in 30 mpg
Post-ASB: 13.0 ppg on 48.6% FG and 69% FT, 9.8 rpg, 2.7 blk, 2.3 stl in 32 mpg

Shooting percentage is up, free throw percentage is way up, rebounding is up, defensive stats are up significantly. Projecting back and saying he's had a ROY caliber season is a bit inaccurate.

dautjazz · Post #12 » by **dautjazz** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:15 pm

nyk97 wrote:you guys are looking at how noel and even mirotic have been playing RECENTLY and have been crowning them. wiggins has been good all*** season. emphasis on ALL.

He wasn't good the first two months, basically started being good in like January, maybe late December, so it also took him a while to get going.

j-ragg · Post #13 » by **j-ragg** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:15 pm

I'd rather give it to Mirotic. Lot of good long term prospects but Nik has been the best when given the minutes all year.

I do agree that it's silly we give it to the guy that plays the most for the worst team and say "jack up whatever shots you want".

tiderulz · Post #14 » by **tiderulz** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:16 pm

brannigan73 wrote:I'm not going to bore people with a bible here but if you look at the advanced stats a pretty strong case can be made for Noel to be rookie of the year. The only advanced state Wiggins leads in is ESPN's BPM. Per, Win Shares, and VORP all point to Noel. To condense it down Wiggins have been worse then a replacement level player while Noel has been comfortably better. If Noel plays these last 12 games likes he has been playing since the All-Star break the gap is going to get a little wider on these metrics. Why are people making such a big deal about a guy scoring 16ppg? Have we time travelled back to the the 80's analyses wise? I thought people were smarter these days. I'm not saying Wiggins doesn't have a good case but like zero people are touting Noel and I really think his case is slightly stronger at this point and we still have roughly a dozen games to go or so.

sorta like how MCW won rookie of the year for Philly based on ppg?

Merc_Porto · Post #15 » by **Merc_Porto** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:18 pm

LOL again.
ROY is for the best player all season long, not for best rookie in the last 1/2 months.

laploutocratie · Post #16 » by **laploutocratie** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:19 pm

SMH wrote:
laploutocratie wrote:Holy **** the insecurity with Noel is unreal.

What insecurity? Lol he's been playing pretty good and fair to say hes in the ROY race.

I know he's been playing well, but there's a new thread on GB every few days about how it's such a debacle he's not a clear-cut ROY. Keep your panties on Noel fans, the media hasn't even voted yet. Is ROY even that important? More important is that he continues to develop and becomes an effective player. Look at MCW, he was ROY but the Sixers front office jettisoned him away less than two years into his career.

Frank Dux · Post #17 » by **Frank Dux** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:20 pm

I love Wiggins, he's my favorite prospect of maybe the last decade. But as a fan of neither team, I gotta go with Noel. He's already a top defender, and since the all star break he's averaging 10 rebounds, 2.7 steals, and 2.9 blocks a game. On the year his 7.7 rebounds, 1.8 steals, and 1.9 blocks a game has never been done before by a rookie. He's historically good on the defensive end.

guest81 · Post #18 » by **guest81** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:20 pm

j-ragg wrote:I'd rather give it to Mirotic. Lot of good long term prospects but Nik has been the best when given the minutes all year.

I do agree that it's silly we give it to the guy that plays the most for the worst team and say "jack up whatever shots you want".

Kinda silly to say Wiggins is just "jacking up shots" when he's shooting better from the field then Mirotic

j-ragg · Post #19 » by **j-ragg** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:31 pm

guest81 wrote:
j-ragg wrote:I'd rather give it to Mirotic. Lot of good long term prospects but Nik has been the best when given the minutes all year.

I do agree that it's silly we give it to the guy that plays the most for the worst team and say "jack up whatever shots you want".

Kinda silly to say Wiggins is just "jacking up shots" when he's shooting better from the field then Mirotic

http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/true-shooting-percentage-ts.aspx

What is True Shooting Percentage - TS%?
A statistic in basketball used to gauge shooting efficiency that takes into consideration points scored from three pointers, field goals and free-throws to get a measure of points scored each shooting attempt.

It is calculated as follows:

Points / (2 * (FG Attempts + 0.44 * FT Attempts))

It's 2015. Raw FG% is kind of stupid to use these days.

Mik317 · Post #20 » by **Mik317** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:46 pm

Again Noel started the season too awful for him to win it. Wiggins was bad too but he got it going around December-January and Noel was still finding his way. It is what it is. Wiggins was great in Dec and Jan and just ok in Feb and Mar. Noel has been great in Feb and Mar...and meh in other months. Thus Wiggins gets it.

and honestly I'd rather he didn't get it so he can stay hungry and mad and keep proving the doubters wrong.