SEEDING - UPDATED 04/14

DanTown8587 · Post #1 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:49 am

I did this last year so let's dust it off and get tracking. West will come tomorrow.
Magic Number: How many wins plus opponent loses
Tragic Number: How many loses plus opponents wins
I have made the following assumptions
1. There are no three way ties

Eastern Conference
1. Atlanta Hawks
Clinched #1 Seed

2. Cleveland Cavaliers
Clinched #2 seed

3. Chicago Bulls (49-32)
#3 Seed: Win over Atlanta OR Toronto loss to Charlotte
#4 Seed: Loss to Atlanta AND Toronto win to Charlotte
15th Atlanta

4. Toronto Raptors (48-33)
#3 Seed: Win over Charlotte AND Chicago loss to Atlanta
#4 Seed: Loss to Charlotte OR Chicago win over Atlanta
15th Charlotte

5. Washington Wizards
Clinched #5 SEED

6. Milwaukee Bucks
Clinched #6 SEED

7. Boston Celtics
Clinched #7 SEED

8. Indiana Pacers (38-43)
PATH TO PLAYOFFS: Win over Memphis OR Brooklyn Loss
Loses Tiebreaker over Brooklyn (H2H)
15th @ Memphis

9. Brooklyn Nets (37-44)
PATH TO PLAYOFFS: Win over Orlando AND Indiana loss
Wins Tiebreaker over Indiana (H2H)
15th Orlando

Western Conference
1. Golden State Warriors
Clinched #1 overall seed

2. San Antonio Spurs (55-26)
#2 Seed: Win over New Orleans
#3 Seed: Loss to New Orleans, Houston Loss, Memphis Loss
#5 Seed: Loss to New Orleans, Houston Win, Memphis Win
#6 Seed: Loss to New Orleans, Houston Win, Memphis Win
15th @ New Orleans

3. LA Clippers (56-26)
#2 Seed: San Antonio Loss AND Houston Loss
#3 Seed: Either San Antonio or Houston wins

4. Portland Trail Blazers
Clinched #4 SEED - NO HOME COURT

5. Houston (55-26)
#2 seed: Win over Utah, San Antonio Loss
#5 Seed: Win over Utah, San Antonio Win
#6 Seed: Loss to Utah, Memphis Win
15th Utah

6. Memphis (54-27)
#3 Seed: Win over Utah, San Antonio Loss to New Orleans, Houston Loss to Utah
#5 Seed: Win over Utah, San Antonio Win over New Orleans, Houston Loss to Utah
#6 Seed: San Antonio Win over New Orleans, Houston Win over Utah
15th Indiana

7. Dallas Mavericks
Clinched #7 seed

8. New Orleans Pelicans (44-37)
PATH TO PLAYOFFS: Win over San Antonio OR Oklahoma City loss
15th San Antonio

9. Oklahoma City Thunder (44-37)
PATH TO PLAYOFFS: Win over Minnesota AND New Orleans loss
15th @ Minnesota

Post #2 » by **RedBulls23** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 4:55 am

Dan, can you explain the magic number to me. Thanks.

DanTown8587 · Post #3 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:07 am

Red-Bulls83 wrote:Dan, can you explain the magic number to me. Thanks.

Magic Number is how many wins and how many loses by your opponent are you away from clinching. SO right now the Bulls have a magic number of 6 to win the #4 seed; that means no matter the combo, from this date right now, the number of wins by Chicago plus the number loses by the Wizards gets to 6, Chicago clinches the #4 seed.

The tragic number is the opposite, how many loses and how many wins by your opponent are you away from being eliminated. Right now the Bulls tragic # for the 2 seed is 6 so that means from this date right now, no matter the combo, if the number of Chicago loses plus the number of Cleveland wins gets to 6, the Cavs eliminate Chicago from the #2 seed.

Post #4 » by **RedBulls23** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:09 am

Okay thanks.

Shill · Post #5 » by **Shill** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:28 am

Nice thread.

At this point I don't even care about seeding. Just go in healthy playing good ball.

johnnyvann840 · Post #6 » by **johnnyvann840** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:19 am

Interesting battle going on for the 7th and 8th seeds in the EC.. It is still so up in the air. We now have Miami , Boston, Indy, Brooklyn and Charlotte all who could fall anywhere between 8th and 11th.

EastBayFJ · Post #7 » by **EastBayFJ** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:28 am

Well done Danny Boy

[e] · Post #8 » by **[e]** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:22 pm

Sad thing is the east will have 2 teams under .500, and a possible 3rd if the Bucks don't take care of business. That's just awful.

Wish Miami was getting Bosh back though, that could have set up an epic first round Miami vs Cleveland.

umfan83 · Post #9 » by **umfan83** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:53 pm

I don't think we will end up coming back to tie the Cavs, but the tiebreaker would be interesting. It looks like Chicago can still control the tiebreaker with the Cavs. Here is how...

-Overall record would be tied of course

-H2H would be tied if Chicago beats Cleveland

-Chicago would control tying division record (Cleveland is 8-5, Chicago 7-6, with a win over Cleveland they would be tied pending the other 2 division games)

-If still tied, Chicago would be 1 game behind conference record (Cleveland 29-14, Chicago 27-16, with a win over cleveland it would be 29-15 vs 28-16 but both teams only have conference games remaining, so in order for the Bulls to make up a 3 game gap, they would gain 2 additional games over Cleveland in conference record, thus winning the tiebreaker. For example if the Bulls went 9-0, the Cavs would have to go 6-3 for the Bulls to tie, thus the conference record would be 35-17 for Cleveland vs 36-16 for the Bulls)

DanTown8587 · Post #10 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 2:09 pm

umfan83 wrote:I don't think we will end up coming back to tie the Cavs, but the tiebreaker would be interesting. It looks like Chicago can still control the tiebreaker with the Cavs. Here is how...

-Overall record would be tied of course

-H2H would be tied if Chicago beats Cleveland

-Chicago would control tying division record (Cleveland is 8-5, Chicago 7-6, with a win over Cleveland they would be tied pending the other 2 division games)

-If still tied, Chicago would be 1 game behind conference record (Cleveland 29-14, Chicago 27-16, with a win over cleveland it would be 29-15 vs 28-16 but both teams only have conference games remaining, so in order for the Bulls to make up a 3 game gap, they would gain 2 additional games over Cleveland in conference record, thus winning the tiebreaker. For example if the Bulls went 9-0, the Cavs would have to go 6-3 for the Bulls to tie, thus the conference record would be 35-17 for Cleveland vs 36-16 for the Bulls)

Cleveland can't lose the tiebreaker via conference record.

If it gets to that, the Cavs have a one game lead (assuming a Chicago win April 5th) while having a two game lead in the conference. If the Cavs tie the Bulls that means Cleveland still would have a one lead in the conference. If the conference record is tied that means the Bulls have passed them in the standings.

The only way the Bulls win the tiebreaker is passing Cleveland in division games.

umfan83 · Post #11 » by **umfan83** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:21 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:
umfan83 wrote:I don't think we will end up coming back to tie the Cavs, but the tiebreaker would be interesting. It looks like Chicago can still control the tiebreaker with the Cavs. Here is how...

-Overall record would be tied of course

-H2H would be tied if Chicago beats Cleveland

-Chicago would control tying division record (Cleveland is 8-5, Chicago 7-6, with a win over Cleveland they would be tied pending the other 2 division games)

-If still tied, Chicago would be 1 game behind conference record (Cleveland 29-14, Chicago 27-16, with a win over cleveland it would be 29-15 vs 28-16 but both teams only have conference games remaining, so in order for the Bulls to make up a 3 game gap, they would gain 2 additional games over Cleveland in conference record, thus winning the tiebreaker. For example if the Bulls went 9-0, the Cavs would have to go 6-3 for the Bulls to tie, thus the conference record would be 35-17 for Cleveland vs 36-16 for the Bulls)

Cleveland can't lose the tiebreaker via conference record.

If it gets to that, the Cavs have a one game lead (assuming a Chicago win April 5th) while having a two game lead in the conference. If the Cavs tie the Bulls that means Cleveland still would have a one lead in the conference. If the conference record is tied that means the Bulls have passed them in the standings.

The only way the Bulls win the tiebreaker is passing Cleveland in division games.

I don't see it. The Cavs are 3 games up, 1 game up in division, 1 game up in H2H, 2 games up in conference record. Both teams have 9 games left, 1 against each other, 3 division games (including the H2H), and all 9 games are in conference.

So to tie Cleveland in record, the Cavs could lose 1 division game and win the other 2 while the Bulls win all 3 games. That ties them in division. And puts the Bulls 1 GB in Conference. So outside of those 3 games the Bulls go 6-0 and the Cavs 4-2, that would have the Bulls and Cavs tied in record, H2H, division and the Bulls 1 game up on conference record.

Unless I'm missing something which I very well could have.

DanTown8587 · Post #12 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:05 pm

umfan83 wrote:
DanTown8587 wrote:
umfan83 wrote:I don't think we will end up coming back to tie the Cavs, but the tiebreaker would be interesting. It looks like Chicago can still control the tiebreaker with the Cavs. Here is how...

-Overall record would be tied of course

-H2H would be tied if Chicago beats Cleveland

-Chicago would control tying division record (Cleveland is 8-5, Chicago 7-6, with a win over Cleveland they would be tied pending the other 2 division games)

-If still tied, Chicago would be 1 game behind conference record (Cleveland 29-14, Chicago 27-16, with a win over cleveland it would be 29-15 vs 28-16 but both teams only have conference games remaining, so in order for the Bulls to make up a 3 game gap, they would gain 2 additional games over Cleveland in conference record, thus winning the tiebreaker. For example if the Bulls went 9-0, the Cavs would have to go 6-3 for the Bulls to tie, thus the conference record would be 35-17 for Cleveland vs 36-16 for the Bulls)

Cleveland can't lose the tiebreaker via conference record.

If it gets to that, the Cavs have a one game lead (assuming a Chicago win April 5th) while having a two game lead in the conference. If the Cavs tie the Bulls that means Cleveland still would have a one lead in the conference. If the conference record is tied that means the Bulls have passed them in the standings.

The only way the Bulls win the tiebreaker is passing Cleveland in division games.

I don't see it. The Cavs are 3 games up, 1 game up in division, 1 game up in H2H, 2 games up in conference record. Both teams have 9 games left, 1 against each other, 3 division games (including the H2H), and all 9 games are in conference.

So to tie Cleveland in record, the Cavs could lose 1 division game and win the other 2 while the Bulls win all 3 games. That ties them in division. And puts the Bulls 1 GB in Conference. So outside of those 3 games the Bulls go 6-0 and the Cavs 4-2, that would have the Bulls and Cavs tied in record, H2H, division and the Bulls 1 game up on conference record.

Unless I'm missing something which I very well could have.

The Bulls are two games back of the conference record will trailing Cleveland by three games in the regular standings. Since both teams only play conference games, there is no way to tie in both categories.

aaqubed · Post #13 » by **aaqubed** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:52 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:
umfan83 wrote:
DanTown8587 wrote:
Cleveland can't lose the tiebreaker via conference record.

If it gets to that, the Cavs have a one game lead (assuming a Chicago win April 5th) while having a two game lead in the conference. If the Cavs tie the Bulls that means Cleveland still would have a one lead in the conference. If the conference record is tied that means the Bulls have passed them in the standings.

The only way the Bulls win the tiebreaker is passing Cleveland in division games.

I don't see it. The Cavs are 3 games up, 1 game up in division, 1 game up in H2H, 2 games up in conference record. Both teams have 9 games left, 1 against each other, 3 division games (including the H2H), and all 9 games are in conference.

So to tie Cleveland in record, the Cavs could lose 1 division game and win the other 2 while the Bulls win all 3 games. That ties them in division. And puts the Bulls 1 GB in Conference. So outside of those 3 games the Bulls go 6-0 and the Cavs 4-2, that would have the Bulls and Cavs tied in record, H2H, division and the Bulls 1 game up on conference record.

Unless I'm missing something which I very well could have.

The Bulls are two games back of the conference record will trailing Cleveland by three games in the regular standings. Since both teams only play conference games, there is no way to tie in both categories.

It wouldn't be a tie in both categories. The question is if the Bulls can tie in the division record and in overall record. If we go 9-0 and they go 6-3, we'd be tied overall and up 1 in conference record. But division record comes first, so the question is how many of those Cleveland losses were division losses. At least one would have to be (since they're playing us), so in that scenario we would win the tiebreaker either by way of division record or by way of conference recod.

BeatDaCavs420 · Post #14 » by **BeatDaCavs420** » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:58 pm

This seems confusing to me :/

DanTown8587 · Post #15 » by **DanTown8587** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:34 am

Updated

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drbg43 · Post #16 » by **drbg43** » Sat Mar 28, 2015 5:38 am

i dont understand this wins plus opponents losses

DanTown8587 · Post #17 » by **DanTown8587** » Thu Apr 2, 2015 5:20 am

Updated.

HINrichPolice · Post #18 » by **HINrichPolice** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:15 pm

With us having a chance to gain a game on the Cavs today, and the Cavs having to play a motivated Boston twice, still looks like there's an outside chance we get the #2 seed! Too bad we lost against the Bucks :banghead:

Post #19 » by **fleet** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:36 pm

HINrichPolice wrote:With us having a chance to gain a game on the Cavs today, and the Cavs having to play a motivated Boston twice, still looks like there's an outside chance we get the #2 seed! Too bad we lost against the Bucks

The Bucks loss was disappointing in that the real bad ass teams usually start getting more focused and edgy by now. The time of the year for a loss like that was a month ago or more. So in a way, I am not that interested in matchups in the post season. Like Swirsky said last game, where is the edge, the nastiness? I don't know that the Bulls will have any series or seed that they won't struggle with

kyrv · Post #20 » by **kyrv** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 5:02 pm

fleet wrote:
HINrichPolice wrote:With us having a chance to gain a game on the Cavs today, and the Cavs having to play a motivated Boston twice, still looks like there's an outside chance we get the #2 seed! Too bad we lost against the Bucks

The Bucks loss was disappointing in that the real bad ass teams usually start getting more focused and edgy by now. The time of the year for a loss like that was a month ago or more. So in a way, I am not that interested in matchups in the post season. Like Swirsky said last game, where is the edge, the nastiness? I don't know that the Bulls will have any series or seed that they won't struggle with

Well, I don't know what the numbers would say, but I've seen it argued just the opposite, that good repeat playoff teams get their fill of the regular season and just want the playoffs to start. But who knows. I agree it was a bad loss, although I'm still fine with the 4th seed.

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Edit - Yikes, I think Miami is currently out of the playoffs? Huge game today versus the Pacers. Dat Riley Magic.

Lakers, Knicks, and Riley out of the playoffs? Maybe OKC? Nets a 7 or 8 seed? Man all those better and smarter teams than us.