The Andrew Wiggins Thread

[C.lupus]

Just for fun, I decided to look into the raw and advanced stats for the last 5 RoY award winners and the runners-up:

2014:
Winner: MCW lead in points; rebounds; assists; combine Pts, rebs, and asts; VORP; PER; ORTG
Runner-up: Victor Oladipo lead in DWSs, DRTG, and BPM
They tied in WSs

2013:
Winner: Damion Lillard lead in points; assists; combine Pts, rebs, and asts;
Runner-up: Anthony Davis lead in Rebounds, VORP, PER, BPM, WS, DWS, ORTG, DRTG

2012:
Winner: Kyrie Irving lead in points; combine Pts, rebs, and asts; VORP; PER; WS: BPM; ORTG
Runner-up: Ricky Rubio lead in rebounds, assists, DRTG

2011:
Winner: Blake Griffin lead in points; rebounds; combine Pts, rebs, and asts; ORTG; DRTG; VORP; BPM; PER; WS
Runner-up: John Wall lead in assists,

2010:
Winner: Tyreke Evans lead in points; rebounds; combine Pts, rebs, and asts; DRTG; VORP; BPM; WS: PER
Runner-up: Steph Curry lead in assists,
They tied in ORTG

The combined pts, rebs, asts seems to be the key stat. I believe I read that 26 of the last 27 ROY winners lead in that stat. As of today, it stands:

1. Wiggins - combined PRA = 1573 or 22.15/game
2. Payton - combined PRA = 1403 or 19.22/game
3. Noel - combined PRA = 1306 or 19.20/game
4. Mirotic - combined PRA = 1162 or 15.92/game


People need to realize that ROY is voted on by sportswriters from US AND Canada. 95% of the sportswriters don't know jack about advanced stats and they don't care about defense. I'm not saying that is right but that is the system.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Wow just read most of the rookie stuff on the main board for the first time in a while... I don't think I'll be doing that again. The Wiggins hate is just unbearable and so unnecessary

Alot of the gb is about boxscore watching without any context.

No other rookie in the league aside from lavine has endured as tumultous a season as far as team goes. Its really unfair to bring up any team stats and use them to point to wiggins as a failure.

Wiggs hasnt played with a consistent line up all year while rooks like noel, payton, rtc.. practice with players they play with day in and day out. Its much harder to be consistent when he dont really know what the player next to you is going to.

Flip has also been a poor teacher this year for the young kids.

Wiggs has played too many minutes.

Wiggs is getting doubled and the best player next to him has probably been budinger or maybe lavine. Crazy the flack wiggs gets for not being able to carry a team of 7 players that includes 3 10 day contract guys and 2 rookies.

Mirotic and noel have been great lately, but no rookie has had to deal with up hill climb wiggins has endured with this season.

[roma258]

Wiggs hasnt played with a consistent line up all year while rooks like noel, payton, rtc.. practice with players they play with day in and day out. Its much harder to be consistent when he dont really know what the player next to you is going to.

Flip has also been a poor teacher this year for the young kids.

Wiggs has played too many minutes.

Wiggs is getting doubled and the best player next to him has probably been budinger or maybe lavine. Crazy the flack wiggs gets for not being able to carry a team of 7 players that includes 3 10 day contract guys and 2 rookies.

Mirotic and noel have been great lately, but no rookie has had to deal with up hill climb wiggins has endured with this season.

Sixers fan I come in peace. But did you just use the words Noel and consistent line-up in the same sentence? Pretty sure we've set a record for most players used in a season. Check out our starting line-up at the beginning of the season to now. Noel is literally the only guy that's a constant. Half our line-up wasn't even in the NBA at the start of the season. Ish Smith, Robert Covington, Isiah Cannon, Furkan Freaking Aldemir....they're all getting regular tick right now. You're right about the coach though, Brown is light years ahead of Flip. Anyway, I like Wiggy, was hoping we'd get him, just wanted to clarify something, before you go on believing it without getting called on it.

[Steve_Holiday]

Lots of the wiggins haters make his rookie campaign out to be like he's the next mike miller or mcw because his advanced stats aren't great (won't get into debating the merits of those here). But what lots of these haters will also say is that someday he'll be a superstar. Haven't heard that about any of the other rooks outside of 76ientology. My two points are: the Roy matters more to these fans because there won't be heaps of accolades for their guy in the future. And b, should we wolves fans really get so worked up about the award when the future for wiggins is so bright?

Honestly I think most of the talk of the other players has more to do with making interesting conversation than about who the award will actually go to - not saying the other contenders haven't had nice seasons.

[C.lupus]

Lots of the wiggins haters make his rookie campaign out to be like he's the next mike miller or mcw because his advanced stats aren't great (won't get into debating the merits of those here). But what lots of these haters will also say is that someday he'll be a superstar. Haven't heard that about any of the other rooks outside of 76ientology. My two points are: the Roy matters more to these fans because there won't be heaps of accolades for their guy in the future. And b, should we wolves fans really get so worked up about the award when the future for wiggins is so bright?

Honestly I think most of the talk of the other players has more to do with making interesting conversation than about who the award will actually go to - not saying the other contenders haven't had nice seasons.

Good points. I think a lot of us are getting caught up in semantics. "Who is going to win the ROY award?" is a different question than "Which rookie has been the most impactful?" The first question has a pretty clear answer. The second one doesn't.

[PZiv]

Sixers fan I come in peace. But did you just use the words Noel and consistent line-up in the same sentence? Pretty sure we've set a record for most players used in a season.

Sixers with 25 players, ours trully with 24. Lets say we're even in this aspect.

[roma258]

Sixers fan I come in peace. But did you just use the words Noel and consistent line-up in the same sentence? Pretty sure we've set a record for most players used in a season.

Sixers with 25 players, ours trully with 24. Lets say we're even in this aspect.

Seems fair. I remember getting upset when we traded Shved for a 2nd rounder. It's been a long season.

[guest81]

Sixers fan I come in peace. But did you just use the words Noel and consistent line-up in the same sentence? Pretty sure we've set a record for most players used in a season.

Sixers with 25 players, ours trully with 24. Lets say we're even in this aspect.

Wolves have lost players a total of 445 games, the 76ers 397

[C.lupus]

Sixers fan I come in peace. But did you just use the words Noel and consistent line-up in the same sentence? Pretty sure we've set a record for most players used in a season.

Sixers with 25 players, ours trully with 24. Lets say we're even in this aspect.

Seems fair. I remember getting upset when we traded Shved for a 2nd rounder. It's been a long season.

That trade was a blessing in disguise. Move Shved before you have the chance to get too attached. He'll just eventually make you want to pull your hair out.

[Murphs56]

People can dissect Wiggins all they want, but he's been playing heavy minutes all season long unlike the other players and been more consistent over the course of the entire season. In Addition, Wiggins main assignement has been guarding the opposing teams best player from Lebron James to CP3. I don't think any rookie has been tasked with as much responsibility and workload as Wiggins

[C.lupus]

Sixers fan I come in peace. But did you just use the words Noel and consistent line-up in the same sentence? Pretty sure we've set a record for most players used in a season.

Sixers with 25 players, ours trully with 24. Lets say we're even in this aspect.

Wolves have lost players a total of 445 games, the 76ers 397

They showed the top five teams in games lost due to injury in the broadcast last night. The ranking was:
1. Lakers
2. Wolves
3. Bucks
4. Sixers
5. Knicks

And people wonder why some teams are so bad.

[roma258]

Sixers with 25 players, ours trully with 24. Lets say we're even in this aspect.

Seems fair. I remember getting upset when we traded Shved for a 2nd rounder. It's been a long season.

That trade was a blessing in disguise. Move Shved before you have the chance to get too attached. He'll just eventually make you want to pull your hair out.

I think we were 2-25 at that point, I just wanted to avoid the worst record of all time and Shved was one of the few players who looked like he belonged in the NBA. Anyway, before we get too sidetracked, my point is that Noel has certainly not enjoyed any sense of a consistent line-up this year. Neither has Wiggy, obviously. That's all.

[Zeitgeister]

People can dissect Wiggins all they want, but he's been playing heavy minutes all season long unlike the other players and been more consistent over the course of the entire season. In Addition, Wiggins main assignement has been guarding the opposing teams best player from Lebron James to CP3. I don't think any rookie has been tasked with as much responsibility and workload as Wiggins

One thing that I think people overlook when talking about minutes and minutes adujusted stats is that there are diminishing returns. I think Wiggins has gotten to a point where it's really difficult to muster up the energy to do everything he needs to do any given night. That's not to say that Wiggins doesn't need to improve on his rebounding, assisting and defense but it's hard to accurately judge him because he's getting run into the ground near the end of the season here.

[jfg]

They showed the top five teams in games lost due to injury in the broadcast last night. The ranking was:
1. Lakers
2. Wolves
3. Bucks
4. Sixers
5. Knicks

And people wonder why some teams are so bad.

I would say that's on purpose.Other than two years, the Wolves injury woes in the past including this year have been less injury prone and more tank related.

[Worm Guts]

They showed the top five teams in games lost due to injury in the broadcast last night. The ranking was:
1. Lakers
2. Wolves
3. Bucks
4. Sixers
5. Knicks

And people wonder why some teams are so bad.

I would say that's on purpose.Other than two years, the Wolves injury woes in the past including this year have been less injury prone and more tank related.

There have been some tank related missed games, but our best 3 players all missed about a 30 game stretch starting in November.

[Steve_Holiday]

To add to what wg said, if these are all tank related missed games, why bring Ricky, peker, Kmart, and kg back to play post all star game.

Also, if Bennett and bazzer are not actually hurt, playing them now would be good for our future and wouldn't make a substantial impact on the win loss record.

[Crazy-Canuck]

To add to what wg said, if these are all tank related missed games, why bring Ricky, peker, Kmart, and kg back to play post all star game.

Also, if Bennett and bazzer are not actually hurt, playing them now would be good for our future and wouldn't make a substantial impact on the win loss record.

I think Ricky, Pek, Kmart and KG are hurt, but would likely play if there was something to play for.

Bazz and Bennett are injured and arent physically ready to play yet.

[AttackTheRack]

If Andrew Wiggins doesn't win the ROY Award, it will be a crime against against basketball. Those other dudes have been good, and they will get even better, but Wiggles has been, and will ultimately be, better than both. Kid's been all over the court, all season long. Logging HUGE minutes. Both ends - night in, night out. How about that block last night? And we all saw him Dosey Doe with Harden. Making Chris Paul work like dog to score late. Went toe to toe with Lebron James, FFS. Huge game from both of them. Just schooled him on that post up, ha! Definitely been good enough to win an award like that. In the West, too. Shouldn't that count for something. Against great teams. Sorry, Other Dudes, you're just not Andrew Wiggins.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Wiggs generally shows up for games when he feels he is being challenged. His current uptick in play probably coincides with all the media talk about noel or mirotic challenging for ROY.

[Merc_Porto]

Even yersteday i was in a forum about the NBA in my country, and i'm like the only Portuguese Wolf over there (in that forum, not in the country lol) and we were having a discussion about the class of 2014 and they (everybody) was saying to me that ROY is the only award that is already guarented in the Nba because the difference between Wiggins and the rest is/was too much all season long.