Official Trade Thread - Part XXIX

[AFM]

Trade value of Porter is very low now thanks to Shaq.

Porter has just proven himself incapable of competing at this level. He's too weak, still looks overwhelmed 90% of the time. Considering he's been around the NBA for nearly 21 months now, he doesn't deserve anymore excuses.

Maybe he becomes an end of bench guy, but I really hope they find a way to trade him for some type of value. Beal/Porter/Gortat for Cousins/whatever works for me.

Ahh to dream of a Wall/Durant/Cousins combination.

Induveca, he really is weak as you say.

I won't write Otto Porter off. He started a game in which the Wizards won be 37 points. Otto has a high basketball IQ. He has a nice mid range stroke and three point range.

If I were coaching Porter would be the starting SF.

Noel looked like crap early on, too.

I hope you end up being right, but right now he has no 3 point range. Shooting 28% from 3.
And these are mostly wide open 3's.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The numbers tell a different story. He's certainly not being put in positions to accentuate his strengths.

There comes a point when the "insufficient playing time" argument no longer suffices as an excuse. Over a long period of time, that lack of opportunity almost always points to being deemed inadequate to fulfill a job by peers and/or superiors.

That scenario adds a variable which disrupts the equations of Per 36 numbers etc, perception/reality (these two usually collide with time).

He has gotten progressively worse throughout the season. This after being exposed to NBA practice/workplace environment for 21 months. That's sufficient time to make a realistic judgment on his ceiling.

I'm not talking about playing time, even though that's an issue.

I'm talking about productivity metrics. Otto's ORtg is 105 and is WS/48 is .084. While neither of these numbers are exciting in and of themselves,there are more 20-22 year olds than you can count who were similarly or less productive and went on to really good careers.

I've been posting here for long enough that I think most will agree that I have never been a big "blame the coach" guy. But I can't look at Otto and the state of the Wizards and pretend it's not a significant developmental factor. We're talking about a guy that think Kevin Seraphin is good, that put Martell Webster on the ball in a critical end-of-game situation, that has no understanding or interest in basic math, etc.

So yeahm if Witt and Ernie stick around I think it's plenty likely that Otto won't amount to much. But his track record leads me to believe that he can grow into a very good NBA player with the right direction and development.

Agreed, fish. Nice post.

I don't totally blame the coach. At the same time if I were the GM I would fire this coach post haste.

Newman can be interim coach IF he starts Porter.

Make Butler and Webster each back up SG and SF. Rest Pierce every other game. Let Pierce play some stretch four.

At some point the Wizards need to release a player or deactivate a player or two. Roles are fuzzy and it's impossible to get good rotations out of this roster.

The Wizards acquired personality instead of functionality. Who can do what well? Shot blocker with quickness to show, hegde, recover. .. oops, they drafted the person of Georgetown University st SF, Otto Porter, instead of Nerlens Noel...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Porter has just proven himself incapable of competing at this level. He's too weak, still looks overwhelmed 90% of the time. Considering he's been around the NBA for nearly 21 months now, he doesn't deserve anymore excuses.

Maybe he becomes an end of bench guy, but I really hope they find a way to trade him for some type of value. Beal/Porter/Gortat for Cousins/whatever works for me.

Ahh to dream of a Wall/Durant/Cousins combination.

Induveca, he really is weak as you say.

I won't write Otto Porter off. He started a game in which the Wizards won be 37 points. Otto has a high basketball IQ. He has a nice mid range stroke and three point range.

If I were coaching Porter would be the starting SF.

Noel looked like crap early on, too.

I hope you end up being right, but right now he has no 3 point range. Shooting 28% from 3.
And these are mostly wide open 3's.

It's hard to step into a shot with relaxed concentration and just let the shot flow when you cannot relax or concentrate. Who is most supportive of Otto Porter?

If Otto knows that Rasual Butler is better than he is how exactly does that help Otto's confidence?

[gambitx777]

I'm sorry, it's not Otto's fault that Randy is destroying his confidence. How can the kid focus when he knows that if he makes a a simple mistake that any one could make and that would be no issue for them, that he will get benched for it. Webseter continues to get playing time when he is playing like he has never touched a ball before. But Otto get's benched for trivial reasons. This is mind blowing too me. Play the kid, teach the kid, build him up. Don'e just piss on him for no reason.

[Dark Faze]

The Webster thing is terrible coaching. Plain and simple.

[rl25g]

Beal, Nene to PDX for

Batum, McCullom, Leonard, 2015 and 2017 1sts.

We sell high on Beal and get a legit 6th man, stretch 4 and 2 firsts. Not to mention a legit 2 way SF/SG in Batum.
PDX tries to get a second perimeter star in Beal.

Wall/McCulom/Sessions
Batum/McCullom/2015 1st
Porter/Pierce/Webster
Leonard/Humphries
Gortat/2015 1st/Blair

[gambitx777]

Beal, Nene to PDX for

Batum, McCullom, Leonard, 2015 and 2017 1sts.

We sell high on Beal and get a legit 6th man, stretch 4 and 2 firsts. Not to mention a legit 2 way SF/SG in Batum.
PDX tries to get a second perimeter star in Beal.

Wall/McCulom/Sessions
Batum/McCullom/2015 1st
Porter/Pierce/Webster
Leonard/Humphries
Gortat/2015 1st/Blair

I feel like they wont give up that much for beal. Like, NENE has the value of being an exping but at the same time. IDK I feel like Batum Leonard and 2015 first is more likely.

[LyricalRico]

Beal, Nene to PDX for

Batum, McCullom, Leonard, 2015 and 2017 1sts.

We sell high on Beal and get a legit 6th man, stretch 4 and 2 firsts. Not to mention a legit 2 way SF/SG in Batum.
PDX tries to get a second perimeter star in Beal.

Wall/McCulom/Sessions
Batum/McCullom/2015 1st
Porter/Pierce/Webster
Leonard/Humphries
Gortat/2015 1st/Blair

I feel like they wont give up that much for beal. Like, NENE has the value of being an exping but at the same time. IDK I feel like Batum Leonard and 2015 first is more likely.

Agreed, that package is too much from Portland's side. But take out the picks and you might have something. Or what about something like this:

Beal+Porter+Webster for Batum+McCollum+Leonard

[AFM]

Beal, Nene to PDX for

Batum, McCullom, Leonard, 2015 and 2017 1sts.

We sell high on Beal and get a legit 6th man, stretch 4 and 2 firsts. Not to mention a legit 2 way SF/SG in Batum.
PDX tries to get a second perimeter star in Beal.

Wall/McCulom/Sessions
Batum/McCullom/2015 1st
Porter/Pierce/Webster
Leonard/Humphries
Gortat/2015 1st/Blair

I feel like they wont give up that much for beal. Like, NENE has the value of being an exping but at the same time. IDK I feel like Batum Leonard and 2015 first is more likely.

Agreed, that package is too much from Portland's side. But take out the picks and you might have something. Or what about something like this:

Beal+Porter+Webster for Batum+McCollum+Leonard

Absolutely not. Is this a joke?

Trade our two young assets for an overrated SF who can't shoot (40% and 30% from 3), a backup G probably destined to be a career journeyman, and an average at best backup C.

[LyricalRico]

^ Depends on how you feel about Beal and Porter. It also leaves Nene available to include in a Kevin Love trade. Put it in whatever combinations you want (Beal+filler for Batum and Nene+Porter for Love, or anything else) but we'd end up like this:

Gortat/Leonard
Love/Hump
Batum/FA
2015 first/McCollum
Wall/Sessions

[payitforward]

I feel like they wont give up that much for beal. Like, NENE has the value of being an exping but at the same time. IDK I feel like Batum Leonard and 2015 first is more likely.

Agreed, that package is too much from Portland's side. But take out the picks and you might have something. Or what about something like this:

Beal+Porter+Webster for Batum+McCollum+Leonard

Absolutely not. Is this a joke?

Trade our two young assets for an overrated SF who can't shoot (40% and 30% from 3), a backup G probably destined to be a career journeyman, and an average at best backup C.

You undervalue Batum and Leonard. And McCollum is worth more than Webster (that's obvious to me). But I can't see the trade in any case. Aldridge and Lopez both expire this year; they're not trading Leonard.

A trade that includes Nene would be great, but the original suggestion above is... ridiculous. Would be great for us of course.

We could have drafted Batum. Hell, we probably could have traded down w/ Portland in the '12 draft and picked Lillard and Leonard!

The best way to get good young players is to draft them.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I say trade Randy Wittman for Don Newman. Let's see the same players under a different leader. Let them play harder and hopefully smarter through the playoffs.

Wait to decide what trades make sense.

Right now I think Gortat (not on the same page as Wall), Webster, and possibly Beal (because of his leg issues) are players to trade.

I don't expect Pierce will return.

Nene's contract is now a very attractive one to deal.

I want to make sure that Wittman is not making some players worse before making trade ideas.

[AFM]

Agreed, that package is too much from Portland's side. But take out the picks and you might have something. Or what about something like this:

Beal+Porter+Webster for Batum+McCollum+Leonard

Absolutely not. Is this a joke?

Trade our two young assets for an overrated SF who can't shoot (40% and 30% from 3), a backup G probably destined to be a career journeyman, and an average at best backup C.

You undervalue Batum and Leonard. And McCollum is worth more than Webster (that's obvious to me). But I can't see the trade in any case. Aldridge and Lopez both expire this year; they're not trading Leonard.

A trade that includes Nene would be great, but the original suggestion above is... ridiculous. Would be great for us of course.

We could have drafted Batum. Hell, we probably could have traded down w/ Portland in the '12 draft and picked Lillard and Leonard!

The best way to get good young players is to draft them.

I've thought Batum has been overrated on this board (actually mostly on bulletsforever, if you post there) for a few years now. His PER of 12 doesn't impress me, neither does his 30% from 3.

You're right, the best way to get good young players is to draft them. Also, pretty important that you don't trade said young players 2 years after doing so.

[jivelikenice]

I say trade Randy Wittman for Don Newman. Let's see the same players under a different leader. Let them play harder and hopefully smarter through the playoffs.

Wait to decide what trades make sense.

Right now I think Gortat (not on the same page as Wall), Webster, and possibly Beal (because of his leg issues) are players to trade.

I don't expect Pierce will return.

Nene's contract is now a very attractive one to deal.

I want to make sure that Wittman is not making some players worse before making trade ideas.

I like Newman and would like to retain him but I don't want them to promote him to HC. This team needs signature move. The Wizards have been a 2nd tier team for years. Time for them to do something big and make a signature HC hire. I wrote this piece.

http://wizofawes.com/2015/03/26/why-was ... -calipari/

Every hire is not only about getting the right X's and O's guy. Sometimes its about the package deal. The Wizards need to make a move to put them on the map. I have no idea if Calipari does really want to go to the Pros, but I'd rank my preferences as 1. Calipari, 2. Ollie, 3. D'antoni (w/Newman)

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Interim coach for 10 games and playoffs is all I had in mind.

Then a new GM needs to hire a whole new coaching staff. Retain Newman, as an assistant only, if he works well with the remaining players.

[Dark Faze]

Ted gonna pull off the rare interim, interim coach with the same coaching staff.

[Earth2Ted]

I think my trade idea of getting Brook Lopez for Gortat and Porter would be looking pretty good right now. Lopez just got named EC player of the week, he's averaging 29, 9, and 2 blocks a game the last 6 or so games, the nets are 7-3 in their last 10, including a win over Cleveland, and are right there for the last playoff spot.

Of course, with our luck (and our crack front office/coaching staff), he would have broken his foot again, or Randy would've have just parked his butt on the bench during the 4th quarter in favor of Seraphin...

[nate33]

I think my trade idea of getting Brook Lopez for Gortat and Porter would be looking pretty good right now. Lopez just got named EC player of the week, he's averaging 29, 9, and 2 blocks a game the last 6 or so games, the nets are 7-3 in their last 10, including a win over Cleveland, and are right there for the last playoff spot.

Of course, with our luck (and our crack front office/coaching staff), he would have broken his foot again, or Randy would've have just parked his butt on the bench during the 4th quarter in favor of Seraphin...

It would definitely be looking good right now, but will you be able to say that next year? I just don't trust Lopez to stay healthy. Avoid 7-footers with foot problems like the plague.

[nate33]

I say trade Randy Wittman for Don Newman. Let's see the same players under a different leader. Let them play harder and hopefully smarter through the playoffs.

Wait to decide what trades make sense.

Right now I think Gortat (not on the same page as Wall), Webster, and possibly Beal (because of his leg issues) are players to trade.

I don't expect Pierce will return.

Nene's contract is now a very attractive one to deal.

I want to make sure that Wittman is not making some players worse before making trade ideas.

Since when is Gortat not on the same page as Wall? They had one miscommunication last game. Big deal. I think Wittman and Gortat aren't on the same page, but I've seen no indication that Wall and Gortat are having any trouble. I think Wall and Gortat are a rock solid combination. They're the most consistent players on the team.

Get them a stretch four to space the floor and you'll see Wall averaging 18 and 11 and Gortat averaging 16 and 10. Also, let's not overlook Gortat's durability. He played 81 games last year (the missed game was a suspension) and he's on pace for 82 this year. That's a really big deal for a high-minute center. I'm not interested in pursuing a Gortat trade. He's not untouchable or anything, but I'm pretty happy with him.

I'd entertain trading Beal only because I believe his trade value is higher than his actual value. I've got no problems with the guy. He's a good fit with good character, but there's no reason not to at least test the market given his impending contract expiration.

Obviously, it would be nice to move Webster, but nobody wants him right now. We'd have to sacrifice quite a bit to offload him. At this point, I think we're better off hoping that his back improves and that he can improve his trade value by the Trade Deadline next year. He needs to miss 16 more games for his contract to become voidable.

[nuposse04]

Speaking of trade assets, w/e happened to blair? With Bigs injured its a helluva time to miss 3 games due to personal reasons. Stranger yet we don't know why. Hope all is well with him.