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Post#601 » by Mr-Al » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:16 pm

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nevetsov wrote:First off, I like the way we have finally committed to developing the youth by getting them consistent minutes. Archie, Len, Warren and even the Morrii (if you count them as youth) are all rotation players and will continue to be into next season. Each have the potential to play a big part in our future. We aren't contending in the immediate future given the strength of the west or salary cap implications, so we may as well construct a core that will peak within the next 3-5 years when the dust has settled. Anything that accelerates development or complements the existing core is gravy.

My take is we are committing to Bled, Tucker and the Morrii in the short term, while rounding out the rotation with the aforementioned youth. I see the depth chart next year as:

Bledsoe
Tucker, Goodwin
Marcus, Warren
Markieff
Len
... With options on Wright and Knight.

To round out the roster, we need:
1) A competent, ready to play backup PG. good shooter, defender, low turnover, happy in his role.
2) 2 legitimate bigs that can play and are happy to absorb a bench role.
3) Veterans that can help coach the best out of the youth while not demanding playing time over them.

* I see us retaining Wright on a big, 2 year deal (3rd year team option) or perhaps longer if we can arrange for it to decrement significantly over the life of the deal. Basically, we pay him big while Len is still on his rookie deal (2 more years) so that when Len's extension is due in 2017, we will have the opportunity to assess our options at C moving forward. This handles part of need 2).

* Knight is a little more complex given He will likely cost in the order of $14m per. I think that prices him out of our backup PG range so I think we explore a sign and trade to help shore up the above needs. Given It will be a buyers market, we can't expect dollar for dollar. But I'd be happy with something like this because it fills all 3 above needs:

SAC in: Knight
IND in: SAC 1st, SAC PF as filler
PHX in: David West ($12m exp), Darren Collison ($5m x2)

1) We get a ready made backup PG (one of the best in the business) who excels at P'n'R too (Wright says about time). We draft a PG to develop for 2 years, backup Bled for his final 2 years. Reassess the PG spot in 2019.

2) We get a very reliable 4th big.

3) West will also provide veteran leadership to not only our young bigs, but also TJ Warren (good friends). West and Granger (and also Collison I think) played together in IND and can all assume mentoring roles to Markieff, Marcus and the rookie PG respectively. Marcus has even had a few Granger-esque games this season, but like many young players he has lacked the consistency. I'm sure Granger can give him some pointers. If the Morrii can become 80% of peak Granger/ West, then that's a pretty good start.

* Archie Continues to learn from PJ and the torch is passed when both their deals run out in 2017. We can kick the tyres on Bullock and even have Bogdan to back up Archie if he assumes the starting mantle earlier.

2015-16 Suns

Bledsoe, Collison, 2015 1st
Tucker, Goodwin, Bullock
Marcus, Warren, Granger
Markieff, West
Len, Wright, Brown (2014 2nd)

Not much change, but stability is a good thing when you're dealing with a team this young.

I really like this plan, it would be a great offseason in my opinion.

Another option....If we play great with Knight the last 10 games of the season it would be a good move to resign him , and then play at PG and SG always two of Bledsoe, Knight and Goodwin.



lol wut

so we traded the super valuable Laker's pick, Ennis, Plumlee for an expiring, old ass **** David West and a **** backup pg Darren Collison?

I'm in favor of a Knight sign/trade, but congratulations on making the worst trade in history
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Post#602 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:19 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I'm interested in seeing what Kevin Love does after this season. I don't think he's truly happy in Cleveland and might end up pulling a Dwight Howard. We'll see how far they go in the playoffs first. If Atlanta/Chicago shut Cleveland down in the 2nd round he might be gone. Though I could see the Cavs easily making the Finals though.


Whatever he does, you can be sure he is going to have a two year opt-out clause. Same with Dragic and every other UFA this summer.
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Post#603 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:48 pm

Mr-Al wrote:lol wut

so we traded the super valuable Laker's pick, Ennis, Plumlee for an expiring, old ass **** David West and a **** backup pg Darren Collison?

I'm in favor of a Knight sign/trade, but congratulations on making the worst trade in history


This. Lots of bad proposals here. Our guys are way undervalued on this board for some reason. I've seen people trying to pawn off the Mo Bros. and Bledsoe for nothing.
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Post#604 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:53 pm

Criteria for signing free agents:

1. Preference for star type FA's. No signing unless on starter level. We are beyond the "adding assets" stage.
2. Starters at the 4, 3, and 2 are preferred, in that order. An upgrade at pg would be ok, but Bledsoe would have to be traded as part of the deal. There is no way we sign a starting pg and keep him on the roster.

So. Based upon those factors, the list of impact free agents is small:

1. Power forwards: Lamarcus Alderidge, Kevin Love, and maybe Millsap. No one else beats out Kieff to start.
2. Small forwards: LeBron James (not sure why he is on the list, sort of pointless to put him here, but oh well), Kahwi Leanard, and maybe Draymon Green. Not sure if I want Green in front of PJ or TJ. If we did sign him, one of PJ or TJ would have to go.
3. Shooting guards: Jimmy Butler (definitely over Knight), Wes Matthews. Afflalo and Crawford are too old. Matthews is almost there.
4. Point guards. No one. Knight would be our best option if we wanted to sign a player and we are already in control of his destiny.
5. Center. Not really looking for a starting center but if we could land Gasol or DJordan, well, I would consider it. I just don't want to trade Len and to sign one of these players takes him out of development. I don't see a backup that would be a better fit than Wright.

So, the options at FA are pretty small.
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Post#605 » by Cutter » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:11 am

jcsunsfan wrote:Criteria for signing free agents:

1. Preference for star type FA's. No signing unless on starter level. We are beyond the "adding assets" stage.
2. Starters at the 4, 3, and 2 are preferred, in that order. An upgrade at pg would be ok, but Bledsoe would have to be traded as part of the deal. There is no way we sign a starting pg and keep him on the roster.

So. Based upon those factors, the list of impact free agents is small:

1. Power forwards: Lamarcus Alderidge, Kevin Love, and maybe Millsap. No one else beats out Kieff to start.
2. Small forwards: LeBron James (not sure why he is on the list, sort of pointless to put him here, but oh well), Kahwi Leanard, and maybe Draymon Green. Not sure if I want Green in front of PJ or TJ. If we did sign him, one of PJ or TJ would have to go.
3. Shooting guards: Jimmy Butler (definitely over Knight), Wes Matthews. Afflalo and Crawford are too old. Matthews is almost there.
4. Point guards. No one. Knight would be our best option if we wanted to sign a player and we are already in control of his destiny.
5. Center. Not really looking for a starting center but if we could land Gasol or DJordan, well, I would consider it. I just don't want to trade Len and to sign one of these players takes him out of development. I don't see a backup that would be a better fit than Wright.

So, the options at FA are pretty small.

Solid post, and realistic (by Realgm standards) on some longshot signings but still an outside chance they could happen (except LeBron :D :D )
A power forward to add to the list is Nikola Mirotic. Definitely a longshot to get him, but if the Bulls feel they are close to a deep playoff run but need more bench depth they might trade him. I would love to have him and he would fit our style perfectly.
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Post#606 » by JohnWall2 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:36 am

Why do people here seem to rate Len so highly? Like you would really rather him over DeAndre or Gasol?

Jimmy Butler or Kawhi would be amazing signing but I can't see especially Kawhi going anywhere other than SA.

Love or LMA would be great but again I can't see either of them leaving unless Love is really unhappy - he had a shite game v the Nets tonight....looked awful but LMA has been quoted a lot as wanting to stay in Portland, plus he has a good team there.

I totally agree with the view that we need to use our cap on acquiring starting/star calibre players, none of this Childress or Hedo horse ****, we need guys who can fit in with what we do and improve our roster so that we actually have a chance of consistently competing in the West - and I don't mean being on the cusp of the playoffs every season only to just miss out and then get a low lottery pick.

What about making a serious run at Khris Middleton? Kid can play, and he's only going to get better. Problem is Bucks will probably match but he would be worth throwing some cash at imo especially on a 4 year deal. Tobias Harris is another guy but again he is restricted....that would come back to how much the Magic value him.

One guy who I do really like is KJ McDaniels but we already have Goodwin and Warren at his positions and as I said earlier I'd rather we use our cap on guys who can come in and make an impact strait away as starting players.
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Post#607 » by MilotheSlayer » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:01 am

What's everyone's opinion on Demar Derozan? I see the Raptor's fans seem to be a little fed up with his lack of an outside shot. However he can get to the basket and get points when needed. I think I would give Toronto the Cle 1st, our 16 1st, and PJ. We could start Demar at the 2, we'd have a big physical lineup still but with better scoring. Our bench would be Knight, Goodwin, Warren, Mook/Rookie, and Wright. That's a great scoring bench. I'd still bring back GGreen on a smaller deal just to add the shooting in case we need that spark.

Overall Depth Chart would be:

Bled/Knight
Demar/Goodwin/Bullock
Mook/Warren/GGreen
Kief/Rook/FA
Len/Wright/Barron

Team is still young, has potential, and all of the pieces would be movable for a star.
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Post#609 » by thamadkant » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:47 am

Cutter wrote:Solid post, and realistic (by Realgm standards) on some longshot signings but still an outside chance they could happen (except LeBron :D :D )
A power forward to add to the list is Nikola Mirotic. Definitely a longshot to get him, but if the Bulls feel they are close to a deep playoff run but need more bench depth they might trade him. I would love to have him and he would fit our style perfectly.



Mirotic would be perfect PF on the Suns, just have to make sure the backup PF or C can be effective defending the paint and grabbing boards.

The Bulls need insurance for Rose... and no, Aaron Brooks is not the answer for them.
I would seriously dangle Bledsoe or Knight for a package that gets Mirotic and maybe McDermott.
The salaries dont fit unless Taj Gibson comes back.

I wouldnt mind giving them the Morris twins and ONE of Knight or Bledsoe for Mirotic, Gibson, McDermott and filler.

Suns have too many individual-type players, instead of specialists that gives teams their "identities".
Warriors have 2 scorers and 3 "really" unselfish defensive focus/facilitators on the court that makes their system so good.

Suns have too many "gimme the ball and let me get my offense going" players... it will get dismantled in a playoff environment where defensive coaches will give the Suns players open looks from their worst shooting spots... and Suns players being the way they are will take those shots, if HOT, then well the other team pays for it, but chances are in a series that will only happen once or twice. If the Suns had Detroit Pistons 2004 defense.. its a different story, but they dont.


Mirotc, McDermott next to dynamic players like Bledsoe OR Knight, Goodwin, Warren, Len gives the Suns a solid foundation offensively.. where penetrating the paint drawing the defense in will be a desired play to hurt the other teams.
Mirotic is a also a darn good dribbler... as I mentioned earlier... this guy could be the next Dirk Nowitski... poor man's Nowitski anyways.
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Post#610 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:59 am

1UPZ wrote:Mirotic would be perfect PF on the Suns, just have to make sure the backup PF or C can be effective defending the paint and grabbing boards.

The Bulls need insurance for Rose... and no, Aaron Brooks is not the answer for them.
I would seriously dangle Bledsoe or Knight for a package that gets Mirotic and maybe McDermott.
The salaries dont fit unless Taj Gibson comes back.

I wouldnt mind giving them the Morris twins and ONE of Knight or Bledsoe for Mirotic, Gibson, McDermott and filler.

Suns have too many individual-type players, instead of specialists that gives teams their "identities".
Warriors have 2 scorers and 3 "really" unselfish defensive focus/facilitators on the court that makes their system so good.

Suns have too many "gimme the ball and let me get my offense going" players... it will get dismantled in a playoff environment where defensive coaches will give the Suns players open looks from their worst shooting spots... and Suns players being the way they are will take those shots, if HOT, then well the other team pays for it, but chances are in a series that will only happen once or twice. If the Suns had Detroit Pistons 2004 defense.. its a different story, but they dont.


Mirotc, McDermott next to dynamic players like Bledsoe OR Knight, Goodwin, Warren, Len gives the Suns a solid foundation offensively.. where penetrating the paint drawing the defense in will be a desired play to hurt the other teams.
Mirotic is a also a darn good dribbler... as I mentioned earlier... this guy could be the next Dirk Nowitski... poor man's Nowitski anyways.

Going for Bledsoe or Knight would basically mean they are giving up on Rose (perhaps not a bad idea?). You don't pay a guy $14-15m to be your backup when your star player is making $20m. An IT type of guy would do just fine as insurance but a guy like Bledsoe or Knight should be someone you start regularly, especially on their salary
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Post#611 » by wizfactor94 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:05 am

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Post#612 » by In Len We Trust » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:25 am

Mirotic was realistic until these last couple of weeks :(


What if that was the trade we set up with Chicago for the Morris twins? Oh my....
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Post#613 » by Mr-Al » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:23 am

In Len We Trust wrote:Mirotic was realistic until these last couple of weeks :(


What if that was the trade we set up with Chicago for the Morris twins? Oh my....



yeah Mirotic is completely off the table, maybe at the beginning of the season, but not now

I don't know what's going on with Noah Vonleh down in Charlotte, but I really liked that guy going into the draft

Charlotte may be getting really desperate with all the disappointment they've had there and they may be open to moving him, he hasn't gotten any burn there at all this year

I could see them wanting a Brandon Knight, you guys think we could get Vonleh back in a sign/trade?

that guy could be our PF of the future

Great length/wingspan, has shooting range, great rebounder, can even shoot the three

If not for Knight, maybe for someone else
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Post#614 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:16 pm

The more I think about it, the more I am kind of baffled by the whole Knight trade. While I generally like Knight as a player, I always thought McD wanted Bledsoe as his pg and kind of wanted to move on from Dragic. I thought the two pg thing was more of a thing Hornacek decided to do because of the personnel he had and their abilities.

But then when McD finally gets rid of Dragic, he brings in Knight.

Fans here blame Hornacek for playing two point guards, but he is kind of forced to given the squad McD gives him. If McD gave up that much for him he is obviously willing to match any offer and pay him considerable money, and if he is willing to do that, it can't be to play sixth man. Sure Manu and Harden played sixth man, but they were never paid a ton of money in those roles.

Even if he could have just signed Knight outright and given up nothing it would be a head scratcher, but to give away a likely top 5-8 pick next year or the following year, and Ennis for him seems ridiculous.
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Post#615 » by RunDogGun » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:00 pm

bwgood77 wrote:The more I think about it, the more I am kind of baffled by the whole Knight trade. While I generally like Knight as a player, I always thought McD wanted Bledsoe as his pg and kind of wanted to move on from Dragic. I thought the two pg thing was more of a thing Hornacek decided to do because of the personnel he had and their abilities.

But then when McD finally gets rid of Dragic, he brings in Knight.

Fans here blame Hornacek for playing two point guards, but he is kind of forced to given the squad McD gives him. If McD gave up that much for him he is obviously willing to match any offer and pay him considerable money, and if he is willing to do that, it can't be to play sixth man. Sure Manu and Harden played sixth man, but they were never paid a ton of money in those roles.

Even if he could have just signed Knight outright and given up nothing it would be a head scratcher, but to give away a likely top 5-8 pick next year or the following year, and Ennis for him seems ridiculous.


I don't know, I think Jeff is looking for the KJ/Hornacek backcourt to run his offense. I think when we had Bledsoe and Goran, we were close to that, and the offense worked well. Plus guys were hitting their outside shots, which freed up some room for the guards to make their moves. Jeff seemed to really want either guard to be able to initiate the offense, and attack the hoop before the defense was able to get set. Knight just isn't there yet. He is too used to bringing the ball up himself. If Goodwin had progressed more over the summer, I don't think we would have gone after IT, even with Bledsoe's return in question.

The good thing is Knight has improved his game every season, and really hasn't had a chance to fit into the system. He will either get there, or we will have to move on in another direction, and yes, lose out on that trade. But wtf!? People calling this the worst trade in Suns' history? Doesn't anyone besides Frank remember DJ? The KT trade was almost as bad as that. The first Goran trade was terrible, we not only traded away the better player (eventually), but gave away Mirotic (pick we traded to Houston).

Oh well, it will be an interesting offseason when it comes. Hopefully everyone works on their game, and if we are going to keep Knight, hopefully we get it done quickly and he starts working on his role in the offense and defense.
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Post#616 » by KLEON » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:28 pm

Eric Bledsoe is not the PG that can send the Suns to the next level. This guy will make 13-15 million over the next 5 yrs and he can't shoot, he's turnover prone and has a low basketball I.Q . The Suns surely have to put him on the trading block to see what is out there. I'll go hard after Cousins and give the Kings Bledsoe, Len and whatever the hell they want to get him here. Before you people start yelling at me for giving up Len, my thing is that this guy is showing signs that he's going to be injury prone and if it means giving him up to get Cousins i'm surely not hesitating. I would the put Knight on the block for whatever the hell is out there and sign these players:
Cory Joseph- If you guys which him play you see every bit of Tony Parker's game in him and he's coached by Pop

Danny Green- Good two way player and we are not getting Kahwi and Butler so i'll settle for him and he's coached by Pop

Amare- We need someone like him who could come off the bench and put up points. I would love to see him and Wright( re-sign him) coming off the bench.
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Post#617 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:24 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:The more I think about it, the more I am kind of baffled by the whole Knight trade. While I generally like Knight as a player, I always thought McD wanted Bledsoe as his pg and kind of wanted to move on from Dragic. I thought the two pg thing was more of a thing Hornacek decided to do because of the personnel he had and their abilities.

But then when McD finally gets rid of Dragic, he brings in Knight.

Fans here blame Hornacek for playing two point guards, but he is kind of forced to given the squad McD gives him. If McD gave up that much for him he is obviously willing to match any offer and pay him considerable money, and if he is willing to do that, it can't be to play sixth man. Sure Manu and Harden played sixth man, but they were never paid a ton of money in those roles.

Even if he could have just signed Knight outright and given up nothing it would be a head scratcher, but to give away a likely top 5-8 pick next year or the following year, and Ennis for him seems ridiculous.


I don't know, I think Jeff is looking for the KJ/Hornacek backcourt to run his offense. I think when we had Bledsoe and Goran, we were close to that, and the offense worked well. Plus guys were hitting their outside shots, which freed up some room for the guards to make their moves. Jeff seemed to really want either guard to be able to initiate the offense, and attack the hoop before the defense was able to get set. Knight just isn't there yet. He is too used to bringing the ball up himself. If Goodwin had progressed more over the summer, I don't think we would have gone after IT, even with Bledsoe's return in question.

The good thing is Knight has improved his game every season, and really hasn't had a chance to fit into the system. He will either get there, or we will have to move on in another direction, and yes, lose out on that trade. But wtf!? People calling this the worst trade in Suns' history? Doesn't anyone besides Frank remember DJ? The KT trade was almost as bad as that. The first Goran trade was terrible, we not only traded away the better player (eventually), but gave away Mirotic (pick we traded to Houston).

Oh well, it will be an interesting offseason when it comes. Hopefully everyone works on their game, and if we are going to keep Knight, hopefully we get it done quickly and he starts working on his role in the offense and defense.


Oh yeah, there were FAR worse trades in Suns history. Yes, I thought Hornacek wanted to emulate the KJ/Hornacek frontcourt, but also felt that was a little more due to the personnel, and knowing how Dragic felt with Bledsoe coming in and him feeling the same way back in the day, and that they were similar situations. I don't know that after trading Dragic he really would have preferred to bring in another pg (though Knight is better as a two, though a bit undersized).

I like Knight, and think he can be a really good shooter, and will, once he gets integrated. But McD must have really viewed him as an asset. It does seem like that Lakers pick would be valued as an asset to others though, especially with Knight due to get paid. Then again, we have so many young guys I can see him not wanting to rely on getting another pick 2-3 years from when we will have Goodwin, Warren, this year's rookie, Bogdan, possibly Bullock, etc. Of course we still have two first rounders in 2016 and 2017 now, but I imagine some of those might be packaged with some of our players if possible to land a potential star if the opportunity presents itself.
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Post#618 » by Saberestar » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:00 pm

MilotheSlayer wrote:What's everyone's opinion on Demar Derozan? I see the Raptor's fans seem to be a little fed up with his lack of an outside shot. However he can get to the basket and get points when needed. I think I would give Toronto the Cle 1st, our 16 1st, and PJ. We could start Demar at the 2, we'd have a big physical lineup still but with better scoring. Our bench would be Knight, Goodwin, Warren, Mook/Rookie, and Wright. That's a great scoring bench. I'd still bring back GGreen on a smaller deal just to add the shooting in case we need that spark.

Overall Depth Chart would be:

Bled/Knight
Demar/Goodwin/Bullock
Mook/Warren/GGreen
Kief/Rook/FA
Len/Wright/Barron

Team is still young, has potential, and all of the pieces would be movable for a star.

I realy like DeRozan. He is an outstanding scorer with one of the best midrange's game in the NBA. I would trade Knight for him in a sign-and-trade ( with a third team involved )
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Post#619 » by thamadkant » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:26 pm

Now that Suns FO have seen Warren, Goodwin, Len and their progression... I think its time for them to cash in on the "assets" they stock piled that is NOT part of the future.
I enjoy watching Warren slash, cut, rotate the ball much better than Marcus Morris do his Carmelo Anthony impressions.
I enjoy Goodwin making things happen through penetration... instead of dancing around at the top of the key only to take a bad shot or dish out a second too late to an open man (was open).

I think its safe to say, the current Suns team is no way near as entertaining as previous Suns teams. The thing is, they arent ELITE defensively either.. I mean Pistons of 2004 were NOT the most entertaining team offensively, but as a fan you know they will shut down the other team and get that "W" in the end.

I've seen enough teams around the league this season and Suns rival Kings, Nuggets, Hornets as teams that are the least "eye candy" teams in terms of their movement, Xs/Os etc on the court. (IMO).
The flow is simply not there and watching teams abuse them through mental/effort lapses defensively is just icing on the cake on a very jagged-looking offensive system. When the team gets steals and run on transition, they look good... and I think thats one of the things Hornacek pushes for... but when they are stuck in a half court setting... you just know 1 of the main 3 culprits will stop ball movement and jack a shot whilst everyone else watch or in the process of moving for better looks.
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Post#620 » by Saberestar » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:15 pm

Hornacek talkig about Knight. ....

"Now, he hasn't shot it as well as when he was in Milwaukee, was shooting over 40 percent, but that's part of getting adjusted to a new team and the comfort level, and then he got hurt," Hornacek said. "So he's going to be able to provide us that. You saw glimpses of it [Sunday] night, how he can split pick-and-rolls and hit guys in a good position as a passer. And the shot will be there.

"So we think he's going to be great and he's a competitor. I think the biggest thing with him is he's one of these guys that are professional about playing basketball. It's about doing your job, playing as hard as you can, and he won't tolerate guys who are just out there playing the game just to play it, play for money or whatever else. He wants to win, so that's why I think he'll be good."
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