Okafor or Towns? Which center is the better pick?

djphan · Post #461 » by **djphan** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:55 pm

Marcus wrote:i blame the whistles for his foul trouble though. ref's had the quick ones blowing this game. I think they wanted to keep the physicality down. Karl being an aggressive dude in general was hurt by that he got called for some cheapies.

it was an ugly game... and it worked to kentucky's benefit since wvu had one big guy...

anyway... fouls are a part of the game but a small part of a prospects problem... so small it's not even an issue... it just prevents you from seeing a player as much... and it's probably as good a sign as it is bad one... embiid is another player who had a similar foul rate playing just as many minutes to what towns has now and before he got hurt he was the consensus #1 ...

Post #462 » by **Marcus** » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:01 pm

djphan wrote:
Marcus wrote:i blame the whistles for his foul trouble though. ref's had the quick ones blowing this game. I think they wanted to keep the physicality down. Karl being an aggressive dude in general was hurt by that he got called for some cheapies.

it was an ugly game... and it worked to kentucky's benefit since wvu had one big guy...

anyway... fouls are a part of the game but a small part of a prospects problem... so small it's not even an issue... it just prevents you from seeing a player as much... and it's probably as good a sign as it is bad one... embiid is another player who had a similar foul rate playing just as many minutes to what towns has now and before he got hurt he was the consensus #1 ...

yeah didn't do much to hurt Towns i don't think since it didn't do anything to hurt the team obviously. i don't see his foul issues being a long term thing once he understands what he can and can't do in the league and develops some discipline he'll be able to be as active on the defensive end as he wants to be.

BadWolf · Post #463 » by **BadWolf** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:30 pm

tl/dr the whole thing
Did Okafor lose his top spot with the play in the tournament, specifically bad outing vs the Utah Bigs? is KAT now clearly ahead?

laika · Post #464 » by **laika** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:34 pm

BadWolf wrote:tl/dr the whole thing
Did Okafor lose his top spot with the play in the tournament, specifically bad outing vs the Utah Bigs? is KAT now clearly ahead?

You can argue about sample size, but based on the Utah and Notre Dame games Towns should be way ahead.

Zeitgeister · Post #465 » by **Zeitgeister** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:18 pm

BadWolf wrote:tl/dr the whole thing
Did Okafor lose his top spot with the play in the tournament, specifically bad outing vs the Utah Bigs? is KAT now clearly ahead?

Okafor has been the most dominant top prospect in the tournament and he didn't play very well against Utah because they were sending hard double teams his way the whole night. They planned to shut him down and let everyone else beat them, and they did. KAT had a bad game a couple games ago.

E-Balla · Post #466 » by **E-Balla** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:51 pm

laika wrote:
BadWolf wrote:tl/dr the whole thing
Did Okafor lose his top spot with the play in the tournament, specifically bad outing vs the Utah Bigs? is KAT now clearly ahead?

You can argue about sample size, but based on the Utah and Notre Dame games Towns should be way ahead.

Not really. ND was the weakest defense left in the tourney and they didn't double or send help at all while Utah had a lot of size and sent constant double teams, triple teams, and even tripled Jahlil off ball at times.

That Utah game was an extreme case of a defense selling out completely to stop one player.

Post #467 » by **Marcus** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:47 pm

put down them stat sheets pull up a chair and do what my sig tells you.

Post #468 » by **Ruzious** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:23 pm

E-Balla wrote:
laika wrote:
BadWolf wrote:tl/dr the whole thing
Did Okafor lose his top spot with the play in the tournament, specifically bad outing vs the Utah Bigs? is KAT now clearly ahead?

You can argue about sample size, but based on the Utah and Notre Dame games Towns should be way ahead.

Not really. ND was the weakest defense left in the tourney and they didn't double or send help at all while Utah had a lot of size and sent constant double teams, triple teams, and even tripled Jahlil off ball at times.

That Utah game was an extreme case of a defense selling out completely to stop one player.

Yeah, I'm a Towns guy, but I can't argue with that. Utah had Poeltl and a doubler on Okafor all game, and Gonzaga's team matches up with Okafor as well as anyone in the country.

ColdBlooded · Post #469 » by **ColdBlooded** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:37 pm

Towns now #1 in the new Draftexpress mock.

:nod:

Post #470 » by **JDR720** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 11:52 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/582328460145606656[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/582326396803948544[/tweet]

djphan · Post #471 » by **djphan** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:09 am

Just catching up to what most who have been following closely has been seeing the last few months....

The troubling thing with okafor has been his inability to finish over size.... Something that plagues these big ground bound frontcourt players in college... He's 7-15 the last two games which for a guy whose calling card is dominant offense is a bit troubling.... Things should be ok if he stays committed to a bruising low post game and it was just an adjustment to get him the ball.. but if he's facing up NBA centers it probably won't end well....

Joseph17 · Post #472 » by **Joseph17** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:32 am

fresko024 wrote:I'd go with Towns

Although Okafor has a good post game, that's really the only area he excels over Towns. Towns is better away from the basket, a better FT shooter, and a better defender.

I think it's easier to improve on the things that Okafor his bad (shooting) at than the things Towns is bad at (footwork and athleticism/mobility). You rarely ever see players improve their footwork and athleticism, but you see players improve their shot all the time especially when the player has horrible mechanics like Okafor. A good shooting coach can easily make Okafor a better shooter.

AQuintus · Post #473 » by **AQuintus** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:56 am

Joseph17 wrote:
fresko024 wrote:I'd go with Towns

Although Okafor has a good post game, that's really the only area he excels over Towns. Towns is better away from the basket, a better FT shooter, and a better defender.

I think it's easier to improve on the things that Okafor his bad (shooting) at than the things Towns is bad at (footwork and athleticism/mobility). You rarely ever see players improve their footwork and athleticism, but you see players improve their shot all the time especially when the player has horrible mechanics like Okafor. A good shooting coach can easily make Okafor a better shooter.

Athleticism and mobility is a significantly bigger issue for Okafor than it is for Towns. Beyond that, energy and effort is Okafor's biggest problem. Maybe improved conditioning can fix that, but working hard (or not) tends to be a personality thing, and that's not likely to change.

treefi · Post #474 » by **treefi** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:23 am

Honestly I'm not too sure either one of them will end up being top 10 centers in the NBA.

reignfire · Post #475 » by **reignfire** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:28 am

The Wolves have to get either Okafor or Russell, the two best players in the draft.

Post #476 » by **Marcus** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:37 am

Better defensively today than he's been in the past still a bunch of lazy habits and even stretches where he looked afraid to defend out there.

Looked very ordinary offensively. Not very assertive and his touch was off.

Biggest concern for me though has been his gas tank. Am I the only one seeing a significant decline in that thing since the tourney started? Like these one day rest periods aren't long enough for him. Very scary thought. Likely to hit the rookie wall fairly early if this is the case.

DickGrayson · Post #477 » by **DickGrayson** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:27 am

Joseph17 wrote:
fresko024 wrote:I'd go with Towns

Although Okafor has a good post game, that's really the only area he excels over Towns. Towns is better away from the basket, a better FT shooter, and a better defender.

I think it's easier to improve on the things that Okafor his bad (shooting) at than the things Towns is bad at (footwork and athleticism/mobility). You rarely ever see players improve their footwork and athleticism, but you see players improve their shot all the time especially when the player has horrible mechanics like Okafor. A good shooting coach can easily make Okafor a better shooter.

LOL....Towns has bad mobility and athleticism?
I wish people who don't watch these kids play would stop participating on these threads.

DickGrayson · Post #478 » by **DickGrayson** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:29 am

JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/582328460145606656[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/582326396803948544[/tweet]

I believe Towns will be a better team leader and locker room guy than Okafor also.

Post #479 » by **Marcus** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:30 am

DickGrayson wrote:
JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/582328460145606656[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/582326396803948544[/tweet]

I believe Towns will be a better team leader and locker room guy than Okafor also.

Based on what?

djphan · Post #480 » by **djphan** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:43 am

Marcus wrote:Better defensively today than he's been in the past still a bunch of lazy habits and even stretches where he looked afraid to defend out there.

Looked very ordinary offensively. Not very assertive and his touch was off.

Biggest concern for me though has been his gas tank. Am I the only one seeing a significant decline in that thing since the tourney started? Like these one day rest periods aren't long enough for him. Very scary thought. Likely to hit the rookie wall fairly early if this is the case.

He's just not an active guy.... And there's part of me that thinks the game is moving too fast for him... Which is why you don't see him reacting some times on defense or rebounds....

He should look better against msu... But he hasn't been doing himself any favors the last cpl of games...