Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

[JDR720]

we should keep Kemba,MKG,Zeller,Biz,PJ and Vonleh IMO everyone else can jump off a cliff (including cliff)

-Kemba may be an average PG, but he still goes bonkers every once in a while (like in December) we just need another perimeter scorer to cover him when he is shooting 4-20
-MKG might already be the best wing defender in the NBA, that is huge in the playoffs
-Bismack, at worst he is a top tier backup center and elite rim protector
-Zeller, already a good all-around PF with room to grow
-Vonleh, at least our #2 player in terms of potential. could easily see him being a 15/10 PF with 50/35/75 shooting %
- PJ 3pt bomber could be our 6th man and a very solid 3&D player

the one hole in our core is we are missing our starting SG that can score. everyone else fits together well IMO

[Diop]

This is OT and pointless, but am I seriously the only one who has noticed that Al sets screens like a girl. I don't just mean that they are soft. I mean he literally sets screens like high school girls do. He puts his hands up in front of his chest like he is protecting his tits and doesn't make any body contact, only with his arms.

maybe he has really sensitive nipples and has to keep them protected. might explain the lack of free throws too.

[Eoghan]

This is OT and pointless, but am I seriously the only one who has noticed that Al sets screens like a girl. I don't just mean that they are soft. I mean he literally sets screens like high school girls do. He puts his hands up in front of his chest like he is protecting his tits and doesn't make any body contact, only with his arms.

No, you're not. It's part of his appealing "selfish fat kid" playing style that we all love and adore.

[Elden Payton]

Let Mike have the keys to this team.

People think centrepiece only in terms of offense, but we have a defensive superstar, build around him in the sense of adding players that maximise MKG's strengths is all I'm saying.

Give him shooters and defenders to allow him some freedom to operate on both sides of the court.

Adding shooters would help Kemba as much as MKG. Is it possible that you are so anti-Kemba right now because you are frustrated that people think Kemba is better and you don't think we are building around MKG? Kemba is at worst our second best player, and he needs the same types of players that MKG needs in order to excel. We can add shooting at shooting guard or power forward, and we have a stretch 4 prospect that will hopefully pan out. Why does it have to be "trade Kemba and build around MKG"? Why can't we just build around the strengths of the best players? I just don't see how keeping Kemba in any way prevents us from building around the defensive identity that MKG gives our team. You seem to think that you have to take Kemba down in order to build up MKG. Everyone loves MKG (except MI ) and no one has a problem with anyone saying MKG is our best player.

MKG has nothing to do with Kemba's mediocrity and pointing out the realities of Kemba are not "taking Kemba down"

[DY_nasty]

Lol. Oh so you just gonna ignore MKG's man totally ignoring him to make a case that's fiction. We suffer offensively with MKG on the court but we suffer more when he's off it because our defense totally go to sh*t while our offense can't make up the ground. The only way MKG won't hurt us as much on the floor offensvely will be the day we get a SG that can score and legitimately stretch the floor.

We're better with him on the court than off.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14CHA9.HTM

I'm not BSing at all. I mean... I think people have this misconception that you can only make people guard you by hitting shots from range when that is not the case at all. We literally shoot better as a team with MKG on the court. It was never about MKG hitting 3s but MKG forcing defenses to guard him. He's done that and some.

On top of that, he's actually been a bigger bail out guy for the guards than most give credit for. 70% of his buckets are assisted - which is astounding because he's taken significantly more shots from distance this year than he has before. Hell, the guy is hitting 50% between 10-16 feet - that's actually damned good.

That only explain how miserable we've been at backup SF if anything whether it's Lance (dun dun dun) or Jeff Taylor (womp womp womp). MKG is my favorite player on the team but even I recognize his offensive withholdings that can only be covered by bringing in a legit SG.

That's.... no

not how that works at all

but as long as you're forcing a defense to guard every player on the court, then ball movement can exist. that's really all there is to it. there's nothing saying that it has to come from 3s or off-ball reads or penetration (which is a big part of why rondo fans are all incredibly misguided imo - you can't have a working offense when you allow defenses to double OFF of your primary ballhandler. simply impossible to be successful with rondo as a pg when you're not holding a top 10 all time defense and 3 hall of famers).

[Braggins]

we should keep Kemba,MKG,Zeller,Biz,PJ and Vonleh IMO everyone else can jump off a cliff (including cliff)

[catch20two]

we should keep Kemba,MKG,Zeller,Biz,PJ and Vonleh IMO everyone else can jump off a cliff (including cliff)

-Kemba may be an average PG, but he still goes bonkers every once in a while (like in December) we just need another perimeter scorer to cover him when he is shooting 4-20
-MKG might already be the best wing defender in the NBA, that is huge in the playoffs
-Bismack, at worst he is a top tier backup center and elite rim protector
-Zeller, already a good all-around PF with room to grow
-Vonleh, at least our #2 player in terms of potential. could easily see him being a 15/10 PF with 50/35/75 shooting %
- PJ 3pt bomber could be our 6th man and a very solid 3&D player

the one hole in our core is we are missing our starting SG that can score. everyone else fits together well IMO

Depending on what Vonleh become or show I think we could stand to improve at PF or C. Zeller and Biz are just serviceable but if we really want to win anything then we're gonna need a PF or C that can put up near 20 a game.

[DY_nasty]

we should keep Kemba,MKG,Zeller,Biz,PJ and Vonleh IMO everyone else can jump off a cliff (including cliff)

-Kemba may be an average PG, but he still goes bonkers every once in a while (like in December) we just need another perimeter scorer to cover him when he is shooting 4-20
-MKG might already be the best wing defender in the NBA, that is huge in the playoffs
-Bismack, at worst he is a top tier backup center and elite rim protector
-Zeller, already a good all-around PF with room to grow
-Vonleh, at least our #2 player in terms of potential. could easily see him being a 15/10 PF with 50/35/75 shooting %
- PJ 3pt bomber could be our 6th man and a very solid 3&D player

the one hole in our core is we are missing our starting SG that can score. everyone else fits together well IMO

Kemba was a beast in the playoffs too. I changed my entire opinion of the guy after seeing how he dealt with Miami's perimeter defense. I thought he would've been snuffed out but he not only played well but showed that he could prepare for a playoff series which a lot of young guards simply aren't capable of. I don't think we should trade him either.

He just REALLY needs a system.

[Braggins]

Let Mike have the keys to this team.

People think centrepiece only in terms of offense, but we have a defensive superstar, build around him in the sense of adding players that maximise MKG's strengths is all I'm saying.

Give him shooters and defenders to allow him some freedom to operate on both sides of the court.

Adding shooters would help Kemba as much as MKG. Is it possible that you are so anti-Kemba right now because you are frustrated that people think Kemba is better and you don't think we are building around MKG? Kemba is at worst our second best player, and he needs the same types of players that MKG needs in order to excel. We can add shooting at shooting guard or power forward, and we have a stretch 4 prospect that will hopefully pan out. Why does it have to be "trade Kemba and build around MKG"? Why can't we just build around the strengths of the best players? I just don't see how keeping Kemba in any way prevents us from building around the defensive identity that MKG gives our team. You seem to think that you have to take Kemba down in order to build up MKG. Everyone loves MKG (except MI ) and no one has a problem with anyone saying MKG is our best player.

MKG has nothing to do with Kemba's mediocrity and pointing out the realities of Kemba are not "taking Kemba down"

Ok, nevermind. I wasn't saying MKG had anything to do with Kemba's performance. I was just trying to bring up the possibility that building around MKG and keeping Kemba on the team aren't mutually exclusive. I'm sure you know something I don't though since you are living in reality and I am in a fantasy Kemba delusion.

[Braggins]

This is OT and pointless, but am I seriously the only one who has noticed that Al sets screens like a girl. I don't just mean that they are soft. I mean he literally sets screens like high school girls do. He puts his hands up in front of his chest like he is protecting his tits and doesn't make any body contact, only with his arms.

No, you're not. It's part of his appealing "selfish fat kid" playing style that we all love and adore.

Good lol. I've just never seen anything like it at this level. I guess it makes sense that he would use a female screen form since he has such a big rack on him.

[JDR720]

we should keep Kemba,MKG,Zeller,Biz,PJ and Vonleh IMO everyone else can jump off a cliff (including cliff)

-Kemba may be an average PG, but he still goes bonkers every once in a while (like in December) we just need another perimeter scorer to cover him when he is shooting 4-20
-MKG might already be the best wing defender in the NBA, that is huge in the playoffs
-Bismack, at worst he is a top tier backup center and elite rim protector
-Zeller, already a good all-around PF with room to grow
-Vonleh, at least our #2 player in terms of potential. could easily see him being a 15/10 PF with 50/35/75 shooting %
- PJ 3pt bomber could be our 6th man and a very solid 3&D player

the one hole in our core is we are missing our starting SG that can score. everyone else fits together well IMO

Depending on what Vonleh become or show I think we could stand to improve at PF or C. Zeller and Biz are just serviceable but if we really want to win anything then we're gonna need a PF or C that can put up near 20 a game.

C is on the list after SG IMO, Bizmack should be a really good backup so I'd keep him

I dont think we need a 20ppg center (we have one now lol) I would go the all-around route and get a 12ppg center with good defense like Marcin Gortat or Jonas Valanciunas. add Kembas 17ppg and the SG's 20ppg thats 49pts and add MKG getting 12ppg and the PF getting 13ppg and thats 74ppg from the starters. PJ and the bench should score 25ppg easily IMO. and with our defense from the core, 100ppg should be plenty IMO

[Liver_Pooty]

we should keep Kemba,MKG,Zeller,Biz,PJ and Vonleh IMO everyone else can jump off a cliff (including cliff)

-Kemba may be an average PG, but he still goes bonkers every once in a while (like in December) we just need another perimeter scorer to cover him when he is shooting 4-20
-MKG might already be the best wing defender in the NBA, that is huge in the playoffs
-Bismack, at worst he is a top tier backup center and elite rim protector
-Zeller, already a good all-around PF with room to grow
-Vonleh, at least our #2 player in terms of potential. could easily see him being a 15/10 PF with 50/35/75 shooting %
- PJ 3pt bomber could be our 6th man and a very solid 3&D player

the one hole in our core is we are missing our starting SG that can score. everyone else fits together well IMO

Depending on what Vonleh become or show I think we could stand to improve at PF or C. Zeller and Biz are just serviceable but if we really want to win anything then we're gonna need a PF or C that can put up near 20 a game.

There are three PF's that score 20 a game right now. Blake Griffin, Aldridge, and Davis.

There is one center. Cousins.

Lol kind of reaching if you want a guy down low to average 20 a game. Hell we had one last year.

[catch20two]

We're better with him on the court than off.

http://www.82games.com/1415/14CHA9.HTM

I'm not BSing at all. I mean... I think people have this misconception that you can only make people guard you by hitting shots from range when that is not the case at all. We literally shoot better as a team with MKG on the court. It was never about MKG hitting 3s but MKG forcing defenses to guard him. He's done that and some.

On top of that, he's actually been a bigger bail out guy for the guards than most give credit for. 70% of his buckets are assisted - which is astounding because he's taken significantly more shots from distance this year than he has before. Hell, the guy is hitting 50% between 10-16 feet - that's actually damned good.

That only explain how miserable we've been at backup SF if anything whether it's Lance (dun dun dun) or Jeff Taylor (womp womp womp). MKG is my favorite player on the team but even I recognize his offensive withholdings that can only be covered by bringing in a legit SG.

That's.... no

not how that works at all

but as long as you're forcing a defense to guard every player on the court, then ball movement can exist. that's really all there is to it. there's nothing saying that it has to come from 3s or off-ball reads or penetration (which is a big part of why rondo fans are all incredibly misguided imo - you can't have a working offense when you allow defenses to double OFF of your primary ballhandler. simply impossible to be successful with rondo as a pg when you're not holding a top 10 all time defense and 3 hall of famers).

All of that is just a testament that offense is crappy with MKG on the floor and with him off it. Even Biz got a higher offensive rating than Al but that don't mean he's a better scorer. MKG don't put fear in defenses unless he's in transition but he's growing in the halfcourt setting as evidenced by his improved jumper. I don't really see where you're getting at. MKG isn't a offensive threat just yet.

[Braggins]

we should keep Kemba,MKG,Zeller,Biz,PJ and Vonleh IMO everyone else can jump off a cliff (including cliff)

-Kemba may be an average PG, but he still goes bonkers every once in a while (like in December) we just need another perimeter scorer to cover him when he is shooting 4-20
-MKG might already be the best wing defender in the NBA, that is huge in the playoffs
-Bismack, at worst he is a top tier backup center and elite rim protector
-Zeller, already a good all-around PF with room to grow
-Vonleh, at least our #2 player in terms of potential. could easily see him being a 15/10 PF with 50/35/75 shooting %
- PJ 3pt bomber could be our 6th man and a very solid 3&D player

the one hole in our core is we are missing our starting SG that can score. everyone else fits together well IMO

Depending on what Vonleh become or show I think we could stand to improve at PF or C. Zeller and Biz are just serviceable but if we really want to win anything then we're gonna need a PF or C that can put up near 20 a game.

I reallly like Biz on this team, but I think we do need an offensive center option to compliment him. I think Biz should have a big role on the team regardless of whether he starts, but it would be nice if we had a good complimentary option to use with him as a tandem. Biz probably isn't a guy you want playing 35 minutes in every matchup even if he ends up being a good starter.

[catch20two]

we should keep Kemba,MKG,Zeller,Biz,PJ and Vonleh IMO everyone else can jump off a cliff (including cliff)

-Kemba may be an average PG, but he still goes bonkers every once in a while (like in December) we just need another perimeter scorer to cover him when he is shooting 4-20
-MKG might already be the best wing defender in the NBA, that is huge in the playoffs
-Bismack, at worst he is a top tier backup center and elite rim protector
-Zeller, already a good all-around PF with room to grow
-Vonleh, at least our #2 player in terms of potential. could easily see him being a 15/10 PF with 50/35/75 shooting %
- PJ 3pt bomber could be our 6th man and a very solid 3&D player

the one hole in our core is we are missing our starting SG that can score. everyone else fits together well IMO

Depending on what Vonleh become or show I think we could stand to improve at PF or C. Zeller and Biz are just serviceable but if we really want to win anything then we're gonna need a PF or C that can put up near 20 a game.

There are three PF's that score 20 a game right now. Blake Griffin, Aldridge, and Davis.

There is one center. Cousins.

Lol kind of reaching if you want a guy down low to average 20 a game. Hell we had one last year.

Nope. You're reaching because I said NEAR 20, not over. 17ppg would be nice.

[Liver_Pooty]

Depending on what Vonleh become or show I think we could stand to improve at PF or C. Zeller and Biz are just serviceable but if we really want to win anything then we're gonna need a PF or C that can put up near 20 a game.

There are three PF's that score 20 a game right now. Blake Griffin, Aldridge, and Davis.

There is one center. Cousins.

Lol kind of reaching if you want a guy down low to average 20 a game. Hell we had one last year.

Nope. You're reaching because I said NEAR 20, not over. 17ppg would be nice.

So you want an aging Millsap and Dirk? Favors averages 16. You want Vucevic or Lopez at center?

Post players you want are rare in a guard dominated league these days.

[catch20two]

There are three PF's that score 20 a game right now. Blake Griffin, Aldridge, and Davis.

There is one center. Cousins.

Lol kind of reaching if you want a guy down low to average 20 a game. Hell we had one last year.

Nope. You're reaching because I said NEAR 20, not over. 17ppg would be nice.

So you want an aging Millsap and Dirk? Favors averages 16. You want Vucevic or Lopez at center?

I want a young Millsap or Dirk. They didnt come into the league 30 years old you know. Favors would be nice too. I'd trade Zeller and a mid 1st for him if we could. I wouldn't trade a top 10 pick tho because we might strike gold and I wouldn't want to live on that regret.

[Braggins]

Who doesn't want a young Dirk?

[Liver_Pooty]

Nope. You're reaching because I said NEAR 20, not over. 17ppg would be nice.

So you want an aging Millsap and Dirk? Favors averages 16. You want Vucevic or Lopez at center?

I want a young Millsap or Dirk. They didnt come into the league 30 years old you know. Favors would be nice too. I'd trade Zeller and a mid 1st for him if we could. I wouldn't trade a top 10 pick tho because we might strike gold and I wouldn't want to live on that regret.

lol Im pretty sure everyone would love a young Millsap or Dirk. But thats asking an awful lot. Id give Zeller and a first for Favors in a nanosecond.

[JDR720]

We have the players to have an elite defense and elite rebounding, if we can be an average offensive team (that is balanced) we would be a top 4 seed in the East.

Kemba(17) - backup passing PG (5)
Scoring SG(20) - PJ (10)
MKG(12) - 3&D SF (5)
Vonleh/Zeller(13) - Vonleh/Zeller (8)
All-Around C (8) - Biz (5)

total = 103 PPG which would be borderline top 10, add on a top 5 defense and top 10 rebounding and we have a really solid team