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Robot Rock wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:catch20two wrote:Lol. Lack of quality depth behind you = importance. No wonder this team is so miserable. We finally get a decent PG for Kemba and he's "redundant" and expendable. You guys aren't used to nice things.
MKG and Zeller are more important to our team than Walker is.
You guys crack me up.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
Liver_Pooty wrote:Heading to bed fellas. Nice debate tonight. We can talk about this disappointment of a sorry team tomorrow.
Braggins wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:Heading to bed fellas. Nice debate tonight. We can talk about this disappointment of a sorry team tomorrow.
I miss these big debates where most of the regulars are involved. You know, the kind we used have on here before everyone stopped caring about or team and/or went crazy lol. On the bright side, you made it through this entire discussion without someone accusing you of being a Duke homer lol. #progress
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
Liver_Pooty wrote:Braggins wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:Heading to bed fellas. Nice debate tonight. We can talk about this disappointment of a sorry team tomorrow.
I miss these big debates where most of the regulars are involved. You know, the kind we used have on here before everyone stopped caring about or team and/or went crazy lol. On the bright side, you made it through this entire discussion without someone accusing you of being a Duke homer lol. #progress
Just wait until I want to draft Winslow over say Stein or Myles Turner.
Will be "duke bias".
I've stated tonight 5 times I'd give Danny Green huge money. I guess that's duke bias as well. Its funny at this point
Liver_Pooty wrote:Braggins wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:Heading to bed fellas. Nice debate tonight. We can talk about this disappointment of a sorry team tomorrow.
I miss these big debates where most of the regulars are involved. You know, the kind we used have on here before everyone stopped caring about or team and/or went crazy lol. On the bright side, you made it through this entire discussion without someone accusing you of being a Duke homer lol. #progress
Just wait until I want to draft Winslow over say Stein or Myles Turner.
Will be "duke bias".
I've stated tonight 5 times I'd give Danny Green huge money. I guess that's duke bias as well. Its funny at this point
Braggins wrote:Does anyone know how many end of quarter heaves Kemba has taken this season? Like, does any site track shots from behind half-court or anything that would give an idea of how many of those kinds of shots a player takes.
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I’ve had some fun catching up on this and reading what folks think.
The most interesting long term question around this team to me is if Kemba and MKG can really make it work together. I think that the answer is clearly “yes” on defense, but right now it’s “no” on offense. Last summer I think it helped to have both guys working together in an effort to improve, but they still aren’t there yet. Today their individual weaknesses as players keep them from really clicking as teammates basketball wise.
Adding a single star player might mask the cracks, but will not make those issues go away IMHO.
catch20two wrote:Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Adding a single star player might mask the cracks, but will not make those issues go away IMHO.
Indeed we need a star player like every team does. But I don't think we need a star SG for Kemba and MKG to coexist, just one that can and will shoot the 3. I'll try to look up the numbers but I know that the 2 aren't a net negative on the floor together. I wonder what 3-man lineups with a particular SG have helped them succeed offensively.
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:catch20two wrote:Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:Adding a single star player might mask the cracks, but will not make those issues go away IMHO.
Indeed we need a star player like every team does. But I don't think we need a star SG for Kemba and MKG to coexist, just one that can and will shoot the 3. I'll try to look up the numbers but I know that the 2 aren't a net negative on the floor together. I wonder what 3-man lineups with a particular SG have helped them succeed offensively.
If you were talking MKG only I would agree with "can shoot the 3" ... but given Kemba's weaknesses as a passer I would add that having good court vision, being an able and willing passer, and size to my list of requirements for a SG/SF to really make things work on that end.
catch20two wrote:Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:catch20two wrote:Indeed we need a star player like every team does. But I don't think we need a star SG for Kemba and MKG to coexist, just one that can and will shoot the 3. I'll try to look up the numbers but I know that the 2 aren't a net negative on the floor together. I wonder what 3-man lineups with a particular SG have helped them succeed offensively.
If you were talking MKG only I would agree with "can shoot the 3" ... but given Kemba's weaknesses as a passer I would add that having good court vision, being an able and willing passer, and size to my list of requirements for a SG/SF to really make things work on that end.
I disagree. Our offense was highly functional with CDR at SG last year who's far from a stalwart but was willing to take and make the 3. Not just with CDR but our offense was above average with Tolliver on the floor. Remember that time when Kemba was averaging over 7 assist for like a month or two? Yea that was around that time when we had something resembling 3pt shooters on the perimeter.
The biggest difference between our offense this year compared to last year was we had McBob acting as a crutch for everyone and Al was able to actually move which freed up others to shift around the perimeter more. Al being in one spot means that defenses don't have to rotate anymore really. 
Guys would shoot a lot better if we weren't in love with off the dribble 3pt shots as a team...mrknowitall215 wrote:Who would be considered a decent 3-point shooter on this year's roster (other than the small sample of Mo Williams), never mind if it's a shooting guard or not? The only player I came up with is Marvin Williams at 37% from beyond the arc
Last year we had Josh McRoberts (36%), Anthony Tolliver (41%), and Chris Douglas-Roberts (39%). Even Neal came in late in the season to shoot 40 3P% in a somewhat small sample size of 22 games
Douglas-Roberts w/ Kemba & MKG (11 games, 8-3 record): 114.7 OffRtg, 97.0 DefRtg = +17.6 NetRtg
DY_nasty wrote:catch20two wrote:Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:If you were talking MKG only I would agree with "can shoot the 3" ... but given Kemba's weaknesses as a passer I would add that having good court vision, being an able and willing passer, and size to my list of requirements for a SG/SF to really make things work on that end.
I disagree. Our offense was highly functional with CDR at SG last year who's far from a stalwart but was willing to take and make the 3. Not just with CDR but our offense was above average with Tolliver on the floor. Remember that time when Kemba was averaging over 7 assist for like a month or two? Yea that was around that time when we had something resembling 3pt shooters on the perimeter.
There is some crazy revisionist history and rose tinted glasses going on here...
Tolliver got benched for entire months because he went cold and couldn't defend to save his life. CDR wasn't some best kept secret either - he was brought on to replace JT of all people
I never liked how much McBob did for our offense because it should've never been a PF running this team to begin with. It happened with Diaw and it repeated with McBob - it was a massive crutch for the coaches and Kemba.
DY_nasty wrote:catch20two wrote:Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:If you were talking MKG only I would agree with "can shoot the 3" ... but given Kemba's weaknesses as a passer I would add that having good court vision, being an able and willing passer, and size to my list of requirements for a SG/SF to really make things work on that end.
I disagree. Our offense was highly functional with CDR at SG last year who's far from a stalwart but was willing to take and make the 3. Not just with CDR but our offense was above average with Tolliver on the floor. Remember that time when Kemba was averaging over 7 assist for like a month or two? Yea that was around that time when we had something resembling 3pt shooters on the perimeter.
There is some crazy revisionist history and rose tinted glasses going on here...
Tolliver got benched for entire months because he went cold and couldn't defend to save his life. CDR wasn't some best kept secret either - he was brought on to replace JT of all people
I never liked how much McBob did for our offense because it should've never been a PF running this team to begin with. It happened with Diaw and it repeated with McBob - it was a massive crutch for the coaches and Kemba.
DY_nasty wrote:Guys would shoot a lot better if we weren't in love with off the dribble 3pt shots as a team...mrknowitall215 wrote:Who would be considered a decent 3-point shooter on this year's roster (other than the small sample of Mo Williams), never mind if it's a shooting guard or not? The only player I came up with is Marvin Williams at 37% from beyond the arc
Last year we had Josh McRoberts (36%), Anthony Tolliver (41%), and Chris Douglas-Roberts (39%). Even Neal came in late in the season to shoot 40 3P% in a somewhat small sample size of 22 games
Douglas-Roberts w/ Kemba & MKG (11 games, 8-3 record): 114.7 OffRtg, 97.0 DefRtg = +17.6 NetRtg
The offenses issues go far, far beyond 3pt shooting though.
DY_nasty wrote:Guys would shoot a lot better if we weren't in love with off the dribble 3pt shots as a team...mrknowitall215 wrote:Who would be considered a decent 3-point shooter on this year's roster (other than the small sample of Mo Williams), never mind if it's a shooting guard or not? The only player I came up with is Marvin Williams at 37% from beyond the arc
Last year we had Josh McRoberts (36%), Anthony Tolliver (41%), and Chris Douglas-Roberts (39%). Even Neal came in late in the season to shoot 40 3P% in a somewhat small sample size of 22 games
Douglas-Roberts w/ Kemba & MKG (11 games, 8-3 record): 114.7 OffRtg, 97.0 DefRtg = +17.6 NetRtg
The offenses issues go far, far beyond 3pt shooting though.
