Official Randy Wittman Thread - It's Playoff Randy Time LOL

[gambitx777]

You could make a great front office out of some of the people here on the board. We have some really solid basket ball minds here. I won't include myself, even though I'd like too, but that's a douche bag thing to do!

But in the end, you have to aggregate ideas and make decisions. And if you are an NBA GM, all your final decisions are final and public and the people judging them don't have all the information about what went on internally which is effectively what we get to see logged here. Plus on here, people tend to forget all the details that were in play years later regarding decisions.

You go back and read the trade thread from back then and you would be amazed by some of the trade ideas and how many people suggested trading the pick and for what.

Look at a company like Apple and Steve Jobbs. Being a visionary is not easy unless you have the control to be one. Steve left Apple at one point because the upper management wasn't in line with what he thought should be done. Then he returned with control and look what he did.

I think this board would make for a good think tank and if I was a GM, I would definitely have someone mining it for ideas. But I would also expect that the people on my team would have already thought of most those ideas. And they may well have. Its not like we get to hear all the ideas they have actually reviewed internally or what someone lower down the chain might have thought up that never makes it up the chain let alone to the public.

Well I mean, I'm going off the Idea that, if you take the top 10 or 15 basketball minds here on the board. Who ever that may be, and give them the information and access that we don't have. Those minds could make some pretty good calls and decisions. For example, all of us who wanted Isaiah Thomas, and who complain now because we did not get them. About half of us understand that EG could have looked in to that, he may have tried and got shut down. But that we will probably never know. There is a good chance he never picked up the phone about Isaiah because of reasons. That information, we may never know. But my main point was, if you give some of the minds here that, inside information and power, they might make pretty good front office pieces.

[diaboliQ_Mo]

Breacher Report suggests that the Wiz should hire Alvin Gentry who has elevated the Worriors' offense to such a height this season.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/24 ... y-openings

Can Ted see this and can we win the competition?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I would rather they hire a new GM.

Steve Nash would be a good candidate to coach. Heard me say it first ...

[hands11]

Ted was 16th ranked owner which isn't bad at all for a new owner taking over a blown up franchise. Other new owner like the LAC took over a team already built.

You might want to look at the list to get a better idea of the other owners and their situations. Ted is not doing badly at all.

EG is up to 20th ranked GM from like 26th last year. That goes to show you how a better owner affects a GM. That's really the lions share of what people call the front office and that is not 26th.

You said the front office is ranked 26h.. Not sure what you are talking about. You mean Randy ? Yes, Randy is 26th, not the Wizards front office.

Whats pulling both EG and Teds rankings down is indeed Randy at 26th.

With a good/great coach. I suspect Ted would move up a few more slots and EG would make it to the 14-16th range. Average. Which is about where many of us have said be belongs. Average. And average was a huge upgrade over what this franchise had done before under Abe.

I said EG would do better when he got a better owner and that was he wasn't the worst GM in the league as many claimed.

It appears I was correct.

Do I think they can do better? Of course I do. Average is not great. We need great. But average was enough to help Ted transition as a new majority owner so I can understand why Ted keep him around during that period. But now that things have stabilized and Ted is no longer a new majority owner, the next moves will be judged more critically.

Another HOF post. Ok Hands, your Ernest is not THE worst, he's just one of the worst. I'm sure you want him making drafting and FA decisions forever right? Please tell us what he has improved at? Can't wait to hear it.

Here's the thing -- about a week ago, Hands was calling for Ernie to be fired. Not for the first time, btw. Now, we're reading defense of Ernie from him.

So... my question is: what does it mean to be "correct"??

Correcting information is not defending anyone. Read my post and stop making things up.

[Kanyewest]

I would rather they hire a new GM.

Steve Nash would be a good candidate to coach. Heard me say it first ...

I think I said it before- but I don't think anyone heard me so you win!

[closg00]

Hands, you have yet to "correct" anything.

[hands11]

.but but, we are set-up nicely for the future, all we need is a new coach..just leave EG in-charge, that's all we need to reach average....new coach + EG

Wrong on what I wrote again Closg. But don't let facts get in the way of your trolling.

Hey, we could bring back you favorite GM Wes and upgrade to your favorite coach EFJ

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I would rather they hire a new GM.

Steve Nash would be a good candidate to coach. Heard me say it first ...

I think I said it before- but I don't think anyone heard me so you win!

I cry for attention loudly and more often. Your emotional maturity and quiet confidence worked against you, KW.
I didn't realize you already suggested Nash for coach, Kanyewest.

In that case, seconded!

Nash would become a great mentor for John Wall. Steve also played one year with Gortat in Phoenix.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN3uTbDmnTU[/youtube]

[TGW]

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Dat2U wrote:

hands11 wrote:
This is our franchise player. This kid will be the heart of the team by next year.

Very solid choice by Ted/EG and the right pick at #6.

Players like Kemba, Brooks and several other would have been solid picks but when you can get a 6-11 that has that heart, fire and skill, you go for that. They are the ones harder to find.

Another draft of solid personalities like we had last draft and this team will be in a lot better shape. If you can get them in trade, do that also.

The height of hypocrisy. Vesely hasn't played a minute of regular season ball and he's already the franchise player & heart of the team while Wall is coming off one of the most impressive rookie seasons by a PG in league history and since game 1 of this season you've been saying he's got no class, isn't the type of guy you like, has a huge ego problem, isn't a real PG and wasted his off-season.

You just don't know how hilarious & ridiculous your posts sound. You have no perspective whatsoever.

Not sure why is always amazes me how people take things so out of context but it does tend to be the same posters who do it.

I said, This is our franchise player. This kid will be the heart of the team by next year. So until next year happen, stuff it. Besides, it is my gut feeling and I have been very frustrated by what have have seen from Wall this year. What the hell do you care. Its a prediction about next year.

If you think I really care what you think, think again. For you to tell me my post are laughable is laughable considering the bunk you post. I have tried to play polite with your post but if you are going to came at me like this, I'm not going to bother. You want to drag the board down with this kind of bickering between posters, then lets do it.

Were you "correct" about this also?

[hands11]

You could make a great front office out of some of the people here on the board. We have some really solid basket ball minds here. I won't include myself, even though I'd like too, but that's a douche bag thing to do!

But in the end, you have to aggregate ideas and make decisions. And if you are an NBA GM, all your final decisions are final and public and the people judging them don't have all the information about what went on internally which is effectively what we get to see logged here. Plus on here, people tend to forget all the details that were in play years later regarding decisions.

You go back and read the trade thread from back then and you would be amazed by some of the trade ideas and how many people suggested trading the pick and for what.

Look at a company like Apple and Steve Jobbs. Being a visionary is not easy unless you have the control to be one. Steve left Apple at one point because the upper management wasn't in line with what he thought should be done. Then he returned with control and look what he did.

I think this board would make for a good think tank and if I was a GM, I would definitely have someone mining it for ideas. But I would also expect that the people on my team would have already thought of most those ideas. And they may well have. Its not like we get to hear all the ideas they have actually reviewed internally or what someone lower down the chain might have thought up that never makes it up the chain let alone to the public.

Well I mean, I'm going off the Idea that, if you take the top 10 or 15 basketball minds here on the board. Who ever that may be, and give them the information and access that we don't have. Those minds could make some pretty good calls and decisions. For example, all of us who wanted Isaiah Thomas, and who complain now because we did not get them. About half of us understand that EG could have looked in to that, he may have tried and got shut down. But that we will probably never know. There is a good chance he never picked up the phone about Isaiah because of reasons. That information, we may never know. But my main point was, if you give some of the minds here that, inside information and power, they might make pretty good front office pieces.

Sure..

They also might be locked in the political struggles that exist in big money organizations at the top and get tight packages when it comes to making some moves. They might also have to answer to an owner that sucks at being an NBA owner. You want to be the GM for Synder ? They might also GM for that next multi million dollar contract. I call total BS if people say that wouldn't effect anything.

They might also not look nearly as good once the shoe is on the other foot and people on boards like this are guessing at what they did and didn't do behind the scene. They might also not look as good if everything they did was actually on the record playing with real money and real pressure. They might also not as good with with them on the other side of the fence and us looking at them from here posting wrong information about what they did.

What I do agree with is... we have a lot of people here that follow the team closely and to various degrees, the league and college. Thats a lot of basketball eyes and minds with lots of ideas. Some of them will no doubt be good.

Again. None of this has to do with the Wizards GM specifically. I'm just talking about the dynamics in general.

[hands11]

I would rather they hire a new GM.

Steve Nash would be a good candidate to coach. Heard me say it first ...

I think I heard that suggested before.

He has the knowledge.

Do you think he has the personality ?

[payitforward]

Another HOF post. Ok Hands, your Ernest is not THE worst, he's just one of the worst. I'm sure you want him making drafting and FA decisions forever right? Please tell us what he has improved at? Can't wait to hear it.

Here's the thing -- about a week ago, Hands was calling for Ernie to be fired. Not for the first time, btw. Now, we're reading defense of Ernie from him.

So... my question is: what does it mean to be "correct"??

Correcting information is not defending anyone. Read my post and stop making things up.

Sorry, Hands, you can't get that one over. You stated that Ernie had gone up from 26th to 20th in a poll. From this you concluded that he'd actually gotten that much better. It goes w/o saying that there's no logic whatever in that jump.

Let alone to conclude that this mythical improvement was caused by having a different owner. Especially when his most egregious mistakes in his entire career have been made with that owner in place!

Then you went on to continue riding your Wittmann hobby horse by claiming that with a better coach Ernie would continue to improve -- not just in his rating but actually get better as a GM ("...average. Where many of us have said he belongs").

Then you hedged your bet (so you can be "right" on both sides of the issue) by saying that you think we can, and need to, "do better." "We need great."

And then comes the biggest rabbit out of a hat jump: "average was enough to help Ted transition..." Whoa there partner, how did Ernie actually get to be "average" back when Ted was in that transition? A couple of sentences ago you were speculating that he'd get to be average some time when we had a "good, great coach."

In other words, from a poll of media types in which Ernie for some reason rose from close to the worst in the league to just one of the bottom 1/3 in the league -- a poll that a) means nothing and b) can anyway hardly be viewed as praising Ernie Grunfeld -- you have erected a completely imaginary defense of Ernie (yes, that's exactly the right word) as the right guy. Those of us who have wanted him gone, therefore, must have been way off base -- which is in fact what you've repeated over and over, calling the "countdown" thread a colossal fail -- those were your words, weren't they? -- repeatedly criticizing people's negativity about Ernie, welcoming new people to the board because they'd change that anti-Ernie tone, predicting that in the end everyone would have to eat their words about Ernie -- because of the systematic and terrific "step by step" plan he and Ted were unrolling -- and so forth.

Now, however, that you've changed your mind, we get to read that it's time for him to go: it was ok for Ted to keep him before, but things have changed -- I guess because you say they have? -- and "the next moves will be judged more critically."

In other words, now that *you* have decided we need a new GM, it's a good idea -- but only now not before -- hence you are required to manufacture this defense of Ernie whereby he has been turned into an "average" NBA GM.

You can try to claim that's not what you did, but you won't get away with it. Why? Because it's exactly what you did. Two plus two equals four when you say they do. When someone else points out the same thing -- not so much.

[hands11]

Hands, you have yet to "correct" anything.

That is incorrect.

And, you can add that to the list as well.

[hands11]

PIFF

That's not what I did. Read what is actually there. Not what you imagine to be there.

[payitforward]

You could make a great front office out of some of the people here on the board. We have some really solid basket ball minds here. I won't include myself, even though I'd like too, but that's a douche bag thing to do!

But in the end, you have to aggregate ideas and make decisions. And if you are an NBA GM, all your final decisions are final and public and the people judging them don't have all the information about what went on internally which is effectively what we get to see logged here. Plus on here, people tend to forget all the details that were in play years later regarding decisions.

You go back and read the trade thread from back then and you would be amazed by some of the trade ideas and how many people suggested trading the pick and for what.

Look at a company like Apple and Steve Jobbs. Being a visionary is not easy unless you have the control to be one. Steve left Apple at one point because the upper management wasn't in line with what he thought should be done. Then he returned with control and look what he did.

I think this board would make for a good think tank and if I was a GM, I would definitely have someone mining it for ideas. But I would also expect that the people on my team would have already thought of most those ideas. And they may well have. Its not like we get to hear all the ideas they have actually reviewed internally or what someone lower down the chain might have thought up that never makes it up the chain let alone to the public.

Now, in this case, Hands, you are correct. The idea that any of us -- you or me for example -- say anything that indicates we'd be able to run a sizable business like an NBA franchise is silly.

For one thing, when you run a business you actually have something at stake in making decisions. The results affect you. You can't change anything by "spinning" it later. Above all, you can't give a sh*t whether you -- you personally -- are "right" about... anything at all.

Btw, you're entirely wrong about Steve Jobs. For one thing, he didn't leave Apple, he was kicked out by John Sculley. And why was John there? Because Steve put him there. Moreover, when he was kicked out the real problem was that *he* (Steve) didn't know what to do; the things he was doing weren't working and Apple looked like it would bleed out. OTOH, by the time they brought him back, John was gone, and Gil Amelio was running the place -- running it into the ground I (and most observers) thought. In fact, it didn't look like there was a sizable place left in the market for Apple.

In the meantime, Steve had created a failed company called NExT and a huge success called Pixar. Apple was desperate; bringing Steve back was a desperation move. The first things he did weren't all that helpful, though at least they made people think things were happening there. And then he made a huge decision and moved OSX and the Mac onto the Intel platform. That meant there was a runway available for the Mac, a direction in which it could develop -- it made it viable again.

But the big thing that saved Apple was the explosion of the music market and the success of the iPod and iTunes -- followed, even more importantly, by the explosion of the smartphone market and the great product he (and Jonny Ive & some others) came up with: the iPhone. And of course neither of those phenomena had anything to do with control. They were a tremendously advantageous set of chance happenings, and Steve had the guts (and belief in himself & his team) to take them on.

Steve Jobs was an amazing person and a total a##hole - both. I can tell you this. If he'd been running the Wizards, he'd have rebuilt from scratch based on nothing but the draft. The Sixers look like what Steve would do. And, in fact, early on that's exactly what Apple looked like to big companies that knew better and were sure they were "right" -- IBM, DEC, etc.

You know, guys like Steve are very rare -- I mean rare even among the rare. Most successful entrepreneurs I've known are more like Ted Leonsis. Ted didn't create AOL; Steve Case did. Ted was a terrific follower (and they are necessary!). But overall, Ted is a guy who the wind blow into the upper branches of a tree and concluded that he knew how to fly. The Wizards, a mediocre franchise, are built in his image.

[hands11]

PIFF

Getting kicked out is leaving by force. He was gone from. That was the important point there. So no, not entirely wrong.

Great details about Apple. I knew some of them, had forgotten others and didn't know some. But they are those details don't have a lot to do with my point. I was just using a general example. I think what I wrote did that.

Dude.. I'm done. Have fun with whatever your point is.

Nice win tonight. The end kind of sucked but good to see Otto out there starting and the team playing younger with PP and Nene out. Gortat was on Hammer Time. Good to see.

[hands11]

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Dat2U wrote:

hands11 wrote:
This is our franchise player. This kid will be the heart of the team by next year.

Very solid choice by Ted/EG and the right pick at #6.

Players like Kemba, Brooks and several other would have been solid picks but when you can get a 6-11 that has that heart, fire and skill, you go for that. They are the ones harder to find.

Another draft of solid personalities like we had last draft and this team will be in a lot better shape. If you can get them in trade, do that also.

The height of hypocrisy. Vesely hasn't played a minute of regular season ball and he's already the franchise player & heart of the team while Wall is coming off one of the most impressive rookie seasons by a PG in league history and since game 1 of this season you've been saying he's got no class, isn't the type of guy you like, has a huge ego problem, isn't a real PG and wasted his off-season.

You just don't know how hilarious & ridiculous your posts sound. You have no perspective whatsoever.

Not sure why is always amazes me how people take things so out of context but it does tend to be the same posters who do it.

I said, This is our franchise player. This kid will be the heart of the team by next year. So until next year happen, stuff it. Besides, it is my gut feeling and I have been very frustrated by what have have seen from Wall this year. What the hell do you care. Its a prediction about next year.

If you think I really care what you think, think again. For you to tell me my post are laughable is laughable considering the bunk you post. I have tried to play polite with your post but if you are going to came at me like this, I'm not going to bother. You want to drag the board down with this kind of bickering between posters, then lets do it.

Were you "correct" about this also?

I already dealt with that and not going to bother again. You are just acting being a troll. I guess you have that book marked just so you can be a troll.

You know damn well Ves wasn't may pick for the team that year.

But since we are playing this fun game.. How about this..

TGW » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:22 pm

I don't know how in hell Leonard suddenly jumped over Marcus Morris. I don't get it. Morris ranked as one of the most efficient players in the draft, and yet bums like Leonard and Vesely get to go before him.

Good stuff TGW.

[TGW]

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Dat2U wrote:



Were you "correct" about this also?

I already dealt with that and not going to bother again. You are just acting being a troll. I guess you have that book market just so you can be a troll.

You know damn well Ves wasn't may pick for the team that year.

But since we are playing this fun game.. How about this..

TGW » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:22 pm

I don't know how in hell Leonard suddenly jumped over Marcus Morris. I don't get it. Morris ranked as one of the most efficient players in the draft, and yet bums like Leonard and Vesely get to go before him.

Good stuff TGW.

Unlike you, I don't post idiocy like "as I correctly predicted", "now that I have been proven right", etc. ad naseum in every post. I've already admitted I was way off in my assessment of Leonard.

But your incessant need to validate Vesely (and Blatche and Crawford) over the course of 3 years was downright embarrassing and just plan dumb, even after they showed that they were useless junk.

But continue to post your hindsight-laced rants though...I for some strange reason took you off ignore. That was a mistake. Back to the ignore list you go with the other trolls.

[dckingsfan]

Regardless - it is more than time for Grunfeld to go...

[BigA]

I'll save you all from having to go back through the archives to uncover my old posts, and admit that I was wrong on the following predictions:

6/2004: Peter John Ramos will be "the next Shaq"

6/2005: Andray Baltche will be "a higher BBIQ version of KG"

6/2006: Oleksiy Pecherov will be "a tougher, more physical version of Dirk"

6/2006: Vladimir Veremeenko will develop into "a Belarusian Barkley"

6/2007: Nick Young will be "a perennial All-Star who will make us old timers forget Dr. J"

6/2011: Jan Vesely will "come into the NBA with a work ethic reminiscent of Bird and Jordan"

Regarding my prediction that the Wizards would become "the NBA's model franchise" under the leadership of Susan O'Malley as GM and Ed Tapscott as head coach--this has not come to fruition, due to a lack of vision on the part of Ted Leonsis.