Dennis performing well as Hawks' Starting PG

[azuresou1]

Jeff Teague makes below league average for what a starting PG should make, and he's also locked in for the next 2 seasons. In 2016/2017 he'll be making less than backup scrubs like Jerryd Bayless and Grevis Vasquez due to the expanding salary cap.

He's also an All-Star this season, and is playing at the same level Tony Parker did at the same point in his career (Teague scores less but assists more and is better on defense).

Wanting to trade Jeff Teague and replacing him with Jameer Nelson is taking like 6 steps back as a franchise. I would literally drive 12 hours to Atlanta to hurl a brick through Danny Ferry's windshield if we ended up doing something like that.

[Jamaaliver]

Wanting to trade Jeff Teague and replacing him with Jameer Nelson is taking like 6 steps back as a franchise. I would literally drive 12 hours to Atlanta to hurl a brick through Danny Ferry's windshield if we ended up doing something like that.

I get that. In a vacuum.

But imagine if we could have flipped Teagie into a lottery pick last summer AND used the cap space to sign another top player.

Teague > Jameer straight up. No contest.

But Teague < Jameer + Saric + High Priced Veteran. Jameer and Dennis combined to make less than Teague's $8 million this year. Those extra savings and (wasted draft picks) could have potentially helped us land a top player through FA (or more likely the draft.)

That's what we keep forgetting. I don't want to throw Teague away for nothing. I want to package him as the centerpiece of the trade that allows us to massively improve the talent level.

One day its teague has been in the league so long that he has no untapped potential. The next minute teague is considered young. Which one is it?

I'll explain this. But I honestly think this may be the end. Seriously. I've given up hope of rational debate with you.
I think it was foolish in Fall 2013 to come in with no vet PG. We drafted a teenager, brought back a 24 starter and added Shelvin friggin' Mack for depth. I thought it was a mistake then. I think it is now.

Teague now is in his prime, but he's been the vet option at PG for years now. (Ever since Devin left.) Teague benefitted from playing alongside vet guards like Bibby, Hinrich, Jamal Crawford. I think DS would benefit more from learning from those types of players than simply competing against Jeff and Shelvin.

But , [Teague's] contract is also way undervalued for the production we are getting. We could EASILY let it play out and just let him walk at the end and start Schroeder

I view letting Teague walk away for nothing ALMOST as foolish as letting Josh walk away for nothing. If you can't move an All Star guard in his prime on a great contract and get back top value...you don't deserve to be a GM. Dallas, Indy, LAL, BOS and NY would kill for a guy like Teague next year.

If an expiring Dragic can get multiple draft picks. If an expiring Rondo can get multiple(?) draft picks, Teague in his prime with multiple years left on a great value contract should get even more.

[ATLHawksfan21]

Wanting to trade Jeff Teague and replacing him with Jameer Nelson is taking like 6 steps back as a franchise. I would literally drive 12 hours to Atlanta to hurl a brick through Danny Ferry's windshield if we ended up doing something like that.

I get that. In a vacuum.

But imagine if we could have flipped Teagie into a lottery pick last summer AND used the cap space to sign another top player.

Teague > Jameer straight up. No contest.

But Teague < Jameer, Gasol, draft rights to Saric.

That's what we keep forgetting. I don't want to throw Teague away for nothing. I want to package him as the centerpiece of the trade that allows us to massively improve the talent level.

One day its teague has been in the league so long that he has no untapped potential. The next minute teague is considered young. Which one is it?

I'll explain this. But I honestly think this may be the end. Seriously. I've given up hope of rational debate with you.
I think it was foolish in Fall 2013 to come in with no vet PG. We drafted a teenager, brought back a 24 starter and added Shelvin friggin' Mack for depth. I thought it was a mistake then. I think it is now.

Teague now is in his prime, but he's been the vet option at PG for years now. (Ever since Devin left.) Teague benefitted from playing alongside vet guards like Bibby, Hinrich, Jamal Crawford. I think DS would benefit more from learning from those types of players than simply competing against Jeff and Shelvin.

But , [Teague's] contract is also way undervalued for the production we are getting. We could EASILY let it play out and just let him walk at the end and start Schroeder

I view letting Teague walk away for nothing ALMOST as foolish as letting Josh walk away for nothing. If you can't move an All Star guard in his prime on a great contract and get back actual value...you don't deserve to be a GM. Dallas, Indy, LAL, BOS and NY would kill for a guy like Teague next year.

I like how you throw signing Gasol into your scenario when we offered Gasol the most money and he rejected us. Don't you think he would be even more likely to reject us if we traded away our starting PG for a pick?

I am always rational and I never bend facts to fit my narrative.

[Jamaaliver]

I like how you throw signing Gasol into your scenario when we offered Gasol the most money and he rejected us. Don't you think he would be even more likely to reject us if we traded away our starting PG for a pick?

I am always rational and I never bend facts to fit my narrative.

I hit the friggin post button by accident.

Seriously. Please. Let's just call it.

PLEASE. I beg of you.

I seriously don't want to fight. I have hated every single interaction with you from the very beginning.

Let's just walk away. Peacefully.

Respectfully.

[MaceCase]

Irony is strong in this thread.

[PandaKidd]

Who is giving us a lottery pick for Jeff Teague PRIOR to this season? Hell who is giving us a lottery pick NOW for Jeff teague? It just doesn't happen. Lottery picks almost never get traded for players .

My comment about letting teague walk is merily based on IF you believe DS is the future, Teague only gets less valuable as time moves forward. Its simply hard to trade 1:1 value.

Most teams trade overvalued players , not undervalued. Teague is greatly undervalued IMO

[Jamaaliver]

Who is giving us a lottery pick for Jeff Teague PRIOR to this season? Hell who is giving us a lottery pick NOW for Jeff teague? It just doesn't happen. Lottery picks almost never get traded for players .

A bad (lotto) team with a top, high-priced veteran in need of immediate help. A team too good to garner a top 5 pick...but still misses out on the playoffs....

Maybe a top player returning from injury...

With a draft pick around 7 or 8.

In Teague's home state. Indiana (if they miss the playoffs and don't get a top 3 pick) makes so much sense.

Teague + P George could be great. And if we value Porzingis enough....seems like a win-win. We get a long term asset, cap space and clear the pg glut, Indy gets an immediate return to contender status. Imagine this team with two lottery picks and $12 million+ to shop with this fall. We could keep Paul, pursue Butler, draft Porzingis & Cauley-Stein and bring back the same core next season.

[MaceCase]

Doesn't Indiana have another hometown product starting at PG and also making 8 mil a year too? Aren't they just a broken leg removed from making two consecutive ECFs with 4/5ths of the same core? What exactly would be their real interest in Jeffrey? You can't say on one hand the Hawks are interested in clearing PG glut but on the other that a team is interested in a PG glut. You can't say that a cap straddling team would give up a cheap draft asset to acquire this redundant player either.

[Jamaaliver]

My favorite Dennis play of the year, from waaaay back in November:

https://vine.co/v/OeOauTx1VEu



Nintendo DS indeed.