NETS/Raps PG: Deron, Brook & Thad go OFF

[Shook Jones]

Gonna need a big game from Bojan if AA isnt playing.

[Paradise]

Gonna need a big game from Bojan if AA isnt playing.

Expect moar Clark

[MirzaIsGod]

it was pretty obvious AA wouldn't play tomorrow if you saw how he got injured, I expect him to be out at least 1 week.

[Born_Ready]

Good team win.

[isekii]

Anyone notice that Plumlee is playing terribly. Maybe Cory Jefferson can get some burn.

[Zachbretton]

Anybody watching Hollins post game? WTH is with his fingers? Looks like their broken haha

are you an idiot?




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[Paradise]

- 74 points in the paint
- 30/17 from our center
- 29/6/4 from our PF

It's clear as day we are adapting to the Memphis identity. Last season we were a spread offense three point shooting team and now we primarily score inside. That's why I said from the beginning the lack of consistency had more to do with the players than it was Hollins alone.

Now, don't get me wrong...he makes some stupid decisions as a coach but the man knows how to get through to his core players.

[SpeedyG]

That leadership though

I don't want to downplay KG's leadership. We needed it last year.

However, with a team that was clearly heading for the lottery, there's not much his advice could really do this season. He deserved to either play for a contender or go home and he chose to go home.

Since he's gone, Mason has just looked lost. If we make the playoffs, I'm hoping Plumlee doesn't have stage fright again or else I don't mind shipping him and Jack off for a pure shooter or quality 6th man.

you dont trade a solid young big for a 6th man when you have 0 shot to contend. im all for trading mason if we can get something of value. but that would be a terrible trade

In fairness, he did say "quality 6th man". It is a bit generic, but I'll argue that there have been quite a few historically 6th man types that I'd give up Plumlee for that would be a great trade for us. I mean, guys like Starks, JR Smith (yeah good and bad), Terry, Mike Miller, Barbosa, Gordon (before Detroit), Jamison, etc.. just to name a few.

Any of those guys, in their good years would be a major boost to this team right now. Especially with Jack's inconsistencies (and inability to play with Deron), guys like Starks/JR/Terry/Barbosa would be a boon.

Heck, even the old Uncle Cliffy 6th man guy we got for what...a year or so? Would be an upgrade to Mason right now.

[SpeedyG]

- 74 points in the paint
- 30/17 from our center
- 29/6/4 from our PF

It's clear as day we are adapting to the Memphis identity. Last season we were a spread offense three point shooting team and now we primarily score inside. That's why I said from the beginning the lack of consistency had more to do with the players than it was Hollins alone.

Now, don't get me wrong...he makes some stupid decisions as a coach but the man knows how to get through to his core players.

The players makes a difference, but I'm not going to take credit away from Hollins. We are clearly using Lopez much differently than we have in the past. One of the most often criticized aspect of Lopez' game is that he's a black hole. Once that ball goes in to the post, it rarely comes out. I'm pretty sure more than one of us have opined many times how, while Brook's ability to score one-on-one in the post is a good luxury to have..its really his play moving towards the basket where he can catch and finish is where his game shines. This is how we're using him more now (though I still wish we can have him set that screen juuuust a tad bit closer rather than being it so far out)

When Hollins was hired, I remember talking about Lopez needed improvement. I talked about a few bullet points:

- Less iso, more rolling to the paint
- Improved rebounding
- setting better screens

Really, since his return just before that all-star break (Chicago game?), while he was up and down, you started seeing those flashes. Then recently, of course, the consistency started to improve.

I am a bit concerned that we are overusing Lopez now. With his injuries, we were talking about possible minute restrictions kind of like what Ilgauskas had to do. Even if we're not talking to that extent, holy cow...look at Brook's minutes recently! Last nine games have been: 30, 41, 31, 34, 39, 37, 40, 39 and 34.

Those are HEAVY minutes for guards, much less a lumbering 7 ft 270+ lb guy who's had foot problems.

I also won't be too sure that our inconsistencies are done and over with. I mean, Joe and Deron are still model of inconsistencies. I just think that the addition of Young has really helped this team out giving us that 4th scoring option. And while he can score 1-on-1 certain match-ups, he can also contribute without the ball or having a play called for him. We've been fortunate that when one of the three has a bad game, the other two are and then 1 or 2 from the bench step up to fill the void.

I think it took Hollins some time to figure out the young guys at the wing as well. We knew this was a possible issue, which is why quite a few of us took a deep breath when AA came back. Now, he seems to have a better feel of the young guys. When Markel plays well, he stays in. When he's not playing well, he gives Bojan a chance. If he's not playing well either, then we go to AA. Meanwhile, in games where Bojan played well, Markel played less. Etc..

[SpeedyG]

Anyone notice that Plumlee is playing terribly. Maybe Cory Jefferson can get some burn.

Just started to realize this after my last post talking about Brook, and possibly explain why Mason's minutes have been down (coupled with his own limitations). But before the season when Mason was getting his hype during his run with Team USA, we talked about how Mason and Lopez can play together. Brook can play outside on offense, Mason inside then flip flop on defense, it just didn't work.

I think part of it now, I realize, is that we're using Brook more in the fashion that we used Mason. He used to be the benefactor of these pnrs with Deron. But with Lopez's versatility and threat offensively, its even more dangerous (especially when Deron isn't being passive and threatens the defense on his own).

Factor in the addition of Thad who provides some of the athleticism that Mason provides without Mason's offensive limitations and you see why his numbers and minutes have taken a dip.

Essentially, with Lopez in restriction/struggles early on and KG only playing 20 minutes (if he even plays) Mason got a lot more burn. He simply had to. Now, you basically give those 20 minutes from KG + some to Thad and the increase in Brook's minutes/play and the numbers just don't quite work for Mason.

Still the 10-15 minutes he's been relegated to the past several games just isn't going to cut it. We'll need him if we make the playoffs.

[MrDollarBills]

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Not good. He's been huge during our recent streak. Bogdanovic really needs to step up.

Huge loss. Hopefully he wont be out for long our bench is already bad enough

Great win, gotta give D-Will his props he stepped up last night

and Of course, BEAST LOPEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[MrDollarBills]

Deron - 31/11
Brook - 30/17
Thad - 29/6/4

Video game numbers

We need that from D-Will. He needs to keep bringing it, everyone else is now

[Prokorov]

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Not good. He's been huge during our recent streak. Bogdanovic really needs to step up.

Definitely a big defensive lost. We needed him to run with korver and maybe get in his head.


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big loss in general. his unselfish play was really needed with that second unit...

JAck-Bogs-Clark is 3 guys trying to see who can chuck up the most shots. anderson was good for that unit. with the stretch of 4 games coming up i hope it isn too serious.

this injury means more bogs. hopefully he can play well with most of these games at home. he was horrid last night

[Prokorov]

Gonna need a big game from Bojan if AA isnt playing.

Expect moar Clark

God I hope not. He has been really bad for us. the cleveland game is masked because a couple of his bad shots went in. but he has been taking horrible, and mroe importantly extremely selfish shots. i dont think you can have him in the lineup, especially with jack who is already shot happy.

i hope we see more CJ, or even mroe mason/brook lineups

[Prokorov]

Anyone notice that Plumlee is playing terribly. Maybe Cory Jefferson can get some burn.

mason has been fine, he just hasnt gotten much consistent playing time with brook going 36-40+ minutes.

[Prokorov]

In fairness, he did say "quality 6th man". It is a bit generic, but I'll argue that there have been quite a few historically 6th man types that I'd give up Plumlee for that would be a great trade for us. I mean, guys like Starks, JR Smith (yeah good and bad), Terry, Mike Miller, Barbosa, Gordon (before Detroit), Jamison, etc.. just to name a few.

Any of those guys, in their good years would be a major boost to this team right now. Especially with Jack's inconsistencies (and inability to play with Deron), guys like Starks/JR/Terry/Barbosa would be a boon.

Heck, even the old Uncle Cliffy 6th man guy we got for what...a year or so? Would be an upgrade to Mason right now.

i wouldnt trade plumlee for any of those guys. why are we trading one of our only good young players for a top swingman when we have 0 shot to contend at anything? thats a move you make when you are a 3 seed with a bad bench, not a 7th/8th seed fighting to get in that is just going to blow the team up in a year.

its an extremely short sighted move for a team that is about to rebuild

[Prokorov]

- 74 points in the paint
- 30/17 from our center
- 29/6/4 from our PF

It's clear as day we are adapting to the Memphis identity. Last season we were a spread offense three point shooting team and now we primarily score inside. That's why I said from the beginning the lack of consistency had more to do with the players than it was Hollins alone.

Now, don't get me wrong...he makes some stupid decisions as a coach but the man knows how to get through to his core players.

The players makes a difference, but I'm not going to take credit away from Hollins. We are clearly using Lopez much differently than we have in the past. One of the most often criticized aspect of Lopez' game is that he's a black hole. Once that ball goes in to the post, it rarely comes out. I'm pretty sure more than one of us have opined many times how, while Brook's ability to score one-on-one in the post is a good luxury to have..its really his play moving towards the basket where he can catch and finish is where his game shines. This is how we're using him more now (though I still wish we can have him set that screen juuuust a tad bit closer rather than being it so far out)

When Hollins was hired, I remember talking about Lopez needed improvement. I talked about a few bullet points:

- Less iso, more rolling to the paint
- Improved rebounding
- setting better screens

Really, since his return just before that all-star break (Chicago game?), while he was up and down, you started seeing those flashes. Then recently, of course, the consistency started to improve.

I am a bit concerned that we are overusing Lopez now. With his injuries, we were talking about possible minute restrictions kind of like what Ilgauskas had to do. Even if we're not talking to that extent, holy cow...look at Brook's minutes recently! Last nine games have been: 30, 41, 31, 34, 39, 37, 40, 39 and 34.

Those are HEAVY minutes for guards, much less a lumbering 7 ft 270+ lb guy who's had foot problems.

I also won't be too sure that our inconsistencies are done and over with. I mean, Joe and Deron are still model of inconsistencies. I just think that the addition of Young has really helped this team out giving us that 4th scoring option. And while he can score 1-on-1 certain match-ups, he can also contribute without the ball or having a play called for him. We've been fortunate that when one of the three has a bad game, the other two are and then 1 or 2 from the bench step up to fill the void.

I think it took Hollins some time to figure out the young guys at the wing as well. We knew this was a possible issue, which is why quite a few of us took a deep breath when AA came back. Now, he seems to have a better feel of the young guys. When Markel plays well, he stays in. When he's not playing well, he gives Bojan a chance. If he's not playing well either, then we go to AA. Meanwhile, in games where Bojan played well, Markel played less. Etc..

this is all spot on....

id liek to particularly point to the points in the paint since the all-star break. what was our biggest issue in the first half?

A: horrible shooting from the perimeter, worst 3 point shooting team in the NBA

now we score the most points in the league in the paint. we may not be going "big" but we are certainly still playing bully ball and not taking all those long 2's and 3's. the 3's we do take (outside of bogs/clark) are of the wide open variety and mostly from Joe/Dwill and recently markel.

that change cant be overlooked.

i also agree on lopez NOT getting 1 on 1 touches/iso touches and doing 90% of his damage off the catch and go type stuff. while he CAN score in those 1 on 1 situations i think its more at the expense of everyone else. when he scores catch and go it helps eveyrone else. teams adjust to that and it opens up everything so much more then brooks 1 on 1s

[BK nets BK]

I was at the game. First time ever going to barclays. Such an amazing game

[Trader_Joe]

id liek to particularly point to the points in the paint since the all-star break. what was our biggest issue in the first half?

A: horrible shooting from the perimeter, worst 3 point shooting team in the NBA

now we score the most points in the league in the paint. we may not be going "big" but we are certainly still playing bully ball and not taking all those long 2's and 3's. the 3's we do take (outside of bogs/clark) are of the wide open variety and mostly from Joe/Dwill and recently markel.

that change cant be overlooked.

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/baske ... -1.1302741

The Nets outscored the Raptors, 74-48, in the paint. It’s only the third time since 1996-97, when points in the paint were first recorded, that the Nets have scored that many points in the paint. And two of those occasions have come in the last three weeks — the Nets scored a franchise record 78 points in the paint on March 16 in Minnesota.

[twosevenstreet]

Canadians

Was looking for posts about Brook and came across this lovely post, seems like its worth a bump!!!