Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

alphagorilla · Post #661 » by **alphagorilla** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 2:30 pm

I agree getting Tobias Harris will make us better. But I also like TJ development. how about using Harris at PF. One thing worries me though about Harris and that is his injuries, seems like he's never 100%.

Bledsoe
Knight
Harris
Morris
Len

I like the youth but a lot of money invested in few borderline star players. Also most of these players have a hard time distributing the ball.

I'm hoping we move bledsoe package for better pick and try to snatch Deangelo Russell.

carey · Post #662 » by **carey** » Fri Apr 3, 2015 4:49 pm

Mulhollanddrive · Post #663 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 5:15 am

We basically have to make a decision on 4th year rookies, we probably can afford 3 of the following:

Do we keep - Morris, Knight
Do we add - Harris, Green, Kanter, Thompson, Biyombo, Shumpert.

jcsunsfan · Post #664 » by **jcsunsfan** » Sat Apr 4, 2015 7:29 pm

needs:

1. Star or superstar player
2. Dept at the 5
3. Improvement in the starting rotation AT EVERY POSITION. There is not one starter where we could not make an improvement.

AtheJ415 · Post #665 » by **AtheJ415** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:40 am

Guys, with the cap rising there really isn't the money crunch I see many worrying about. Our players, particularly the Morrii and even Bledsoe, will be bargains this time next year. Hell, Kief already is.

letsgosuns · Post #666 » by **letsgosuns** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 6:21 am

I would still love to see the Suns trade the Morris brothers and replace them with Greg Monroe. Either trade the Morris brothers on draft day to free up cap space or do a sign and trade of them for Monroe. Len and Monroe would be a dominant rebounding team and also a huge front line. 7'1" and 6'11" respectively. Hell it could not get any worse than the defense Markieff plays, which virtually does not exist. I see plays where he just stands there and does he not even bother to do anything. Amare used to do the same thing except Amare was a far better rebounder and shot blocker and oh yeah, could consistently put up 30+ points all the time. Four years of watching Markieff and two and a half years of watching Marcus. I think these guys have hit their ceiling. I doubt they are ever going to get any better than they already are. Regardless of age, once you are four years into this league and have gotten real playing time every year, you are who you are. Neither one of them is all that athletic and both have low iq's. This team will consistently be a .500 team if they stay on it.

Assuming the Suns re-sign some of their own players and do not end up with a top 3 draft pick, I can envision this as the depth chart next season after some trades and free agent signings:

Bledsoe/veteran point guard
Knight/Goodwin/Bullock
Warren/Granger
Monroe/Wright
Len/Amare

The starting lineup is filled with your core of players who are all between 20-25. The bench consists of veterans who can help lead the team and provide valuable experience as well as Goodwin and Bullock and we already know about their potential. Plus the Suns can also draft one or two more players and/or bring over Bogdan Bogdanovich.

That team sure looks far better on paper to me than this year's team. This year's team is so hard to watch. Every game is like pulling teeth with them. Such a negative vibe all around. It has to end this coming offseason.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #667 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 9:47 am

Oh yeah, add Monroe to the expiring rookies as he took the 5th year option.

He doesn't strike me as the type our management like though.

Revived · Post #668 » by **Revived** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 9:57 am

If Reggie Jackson played bad in Detroit, we could have shipped off Knight in a sign and trade for Monroe.

jredsaz · Post #669 » by **jredsaz** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 11:28 am

letsgosuns wrote:I would still love to see the Suns trade the Morris brothers and replace them with Greg Monroe. Either trade the Morris brothers on draft day to free up cap space or do a sign and trade of them for Monroe. Len and Monroe would be a dominant rebounding team.

The Suns don't have to trade the Morri to offer Monroe his max. Even with our draft pic, and by cutting all other team options outside our rookie deals, the suns will be within $2 million of his max price. Rather trade tucker, keep Knigh/Morri, and add Monroe.

Bled
Knight
Morris /Warren
Monroe/Morris
Len

RunDogGun · Post #670 » by **RunDogGun** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:57 pm

jredsaz wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:I would still love to see the Suns trade the Morris brothers and replace them with Greg Monroe. Either trade the Morris brothers on draft day to free up cap space or do a sign and trade of them for Monroe. Len and Monroe would be a dominant rebounding team.

The Suns don't have to trade the Morri to offer Monroe his max. Even with our draft pic, and by cutting all other team options outside our rookie deals, the suns will be within $2 million of his max price. Rather trade tucker, keep Knigh/Morri, and add Monroe.

Bled
Knight
Morris /Warren
Monroe/Morris
Len

I don't see the point in trading Tucker. Defensively we can put him up against almost anyone, so unless we pick up a better defender at a much cheaper price (which would only be a rookie or vet min deal), I don't see the point in trading Tucker. With Knight's cap hold, I am not sure how much cash we have to offer. But things could change drastically if we moved Bledsoe on draft night, and then resigned Knight to be our point.

I'm not saying that's what I want us to do, but I could see it happening.

carey · Post #671 » by **carey** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 5:26 pm

jredsaz wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:I would still love to see the Suns trade the Morris brothers and replace them with Greg Monroe. Either trade the Morris brothers on draft day to free up cap space or do a sign and trade of them for Monroe. Len and Monroe would be a dominant rebounding team.

The Suns don't have to trade the Morri to offer Monroe his max. Even with our draft pic, and by cutting all other team options outside our rookie deals, the suns will be within $2 million of his max price. Rather trade tucker, keep Knigh/Morri, and add Monroe.

Bled
Knight
Morris /Warren
Monroe/Morris
Len

Look, even considering drastic internal improvement by current players adding Monroe and re-signing Knight thus maxing out our cap space does not improve us that much. A little better? Sure. Could we conceivably sneak in to 8th? Yeah. But then what? If we go for a new PF we need to move both Morris twins. It's that simple.

tdjm · Post #672 » by **tdjm** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 8:51 pm

Why? If we got a new, shiny, great PF what's wrong with keeping the twins around as backup players? We've been able to gut out some tough wins with them playing 40+ minutes - certainly them playing 20-30 minutes as 7th or 8th men would be a boon, no?

We should be looking to improve at every position but I feel like no players are a "must move". Bledsoe and the Morris twins are on fair contracts, even if the cap wasn't set to explode (which makes fair contracts look like complete steals). Getting better doesn't require throwing the baby out with the bath water, as it were.

Flying Colors · Post #673 » by **Flying Colors** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 9:27 pm

tdjm wrote:Why? If we got a new, shiny, great PF what's wrong with keeping the twins around as backup players? We've been able to gut out some tough wins with them playing 40+ minutes - certainly them playing 20-30 minutes as 7th or 8th men would be a boon, no?

We should be looking to improve at every position but I feel like no players are a "must move". Bledsoe and the Morris twins are on fair contracts, even if the cap wasn't set to explode (which makes fair contracts look like complete steals). Getting better doesn't require throwing the baby out with the bath water, as it were.

Exactly, it feels like people want to trade the Morri just for the sake of trading them, they would be great backups, and i feel like most of the moves would they would trade them in at best would make us only marginally better.

RunDogGun · Post #674 » by **RunDogGun** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 9:46 pm

Flying Colors wrote:
tdjm wrote:Why? If we got a new, shiny, great PF what's wrong with keeping the twins around as backup players? We've been able to gut out some tough wins with them playing 40+ minutes - certainly them playing 20-30 minutes as 7th or 8th men would be a boon, no?

We should be looking to improve at every position but I feel like no players are a "must move". Bledsoe and the Morris twins are on fair contracts, even if the cap wasn't set to explode (which makes fair contracts look like complete steals). Getting better doesn't require throwing the baby out with the bath water, as it were.

Exactly, it feels like people want to trade the Morri just for the sake of trading them, they would be great backups, and i feel like most of the moves would they would trade them in at best would make us only marginally better.

I agree. Unless they net us a superstar, there isn't a reason to move them. With how quickly players get injured, why not keep good players around, even if they are just role players?

AtheJ415 · Post #675 » by **AtheJ415** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 10:03 pm

Flying Colors wrote:
tdjm wrote:Why? If we got a new, shiny, great PF what's wrong with keeping the twins around as backup players? We've been able to gut out some tough wins with them playing 40+ minutes - certainly them playing 20-30 minutes as 7th or 8th men would be a boon, no?

We should be looking to improve at every position but I feel like no players are a "must move". Bledsoe and the Morris twins are on fair contracts, even if the cap wasn't set to explode (which makes fair contracts look like complete steals). Getting better doesn't require throwing the baby out with the bath water, as it were.

Exactly, it feels like people want to trade the Morri just for the sake of trading them, they would be great backups, and i feel like most of the moves would they would trade them in at best would make us only marginally better.

Yup, and despite what most say on here, there are only 3-4 PFs Kieff's age or younger that are better than him. He's locked into a cheap as hell contract and everyone wants to trade him for anything. It's mind-boggling.

Saberestar · Post #676 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 11:22 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:
Flying Colors wrote:
tdjm wrote:Why? If we got a new, shiny, great PF what's wrong with keeping the twins around as backup players? We've been able to gut out some tough wins with them playing 40+ minutes - certainly them playing 20-30 minutes as 7th or 8th men would be a boon, no?

We should be looking to improve at every position but I feel like no players are a "must move". Bledsoe and the Morris twins are on fair contracts, even if the cap wasn't set to explode (which makes fair contracts look like complete steals). Getting better doesn't require throwing the baby out with the bath water, as it were.

Exactly, it feels like people want to trade the Morri just for the sake of trading them, they would be great backups, and i feel like most of the moves would they would trade them in at best would make us only marginally better.

Yup, and despite what most say on here, there are only 3-4 PFs Kieff's age or younger that are better than him. He's locked into a cheap as hell contract and everyone wants to trade him for anything. It's mind-boggling.

I am OK with having Markieff in that Odom's role like a bench player who plays around 26-28 minutes per game, but we need to sign someone good enough to cover PFs and Cs in this league (if we want to play them together some minutes every game), because we all know very well that Markieff only can defend PFs.We have Wright, but he is not good enough to be an starting player every night, so we need a really good fourth frontcourt player to add to these three.... who can be that guy?

?? / Markieff
Len / Wright

Saberestar · Post #677 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 7:58 pm

Knight is not expected to play again this season for the Suns due to a heel bone bruise associated with the left ankle sprain that he suffered on March 9. Knight will not join the Suns on their four-game trip that starts with a Tuesday night game at Atlanta. When the Suns return, the only remaining game will be an April 14 season finale against the Los Angeles Clippers that Knight is not expected to play.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulcoro/sta ... 4170748928

Well, we will see if that game against OKC has been the last game in Knight's career like a Sun.

RaisingArizona · Post #678 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 9:05 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
Flying Colors wrote:
tdjm wrote:Exactly, it feels like people want to trade the Morri just for the sake of trading them, they would be great backups, and i feel like most of the moves would they would trade them in at best would make us only marginally better.

I agree. Unless they net us a superstar, there isn't a reason to move them. With how quickly players get injured, why not keep good players around, even if they are just role players?

Because on this board there's

RaisingArizona · Post #679 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 9:08 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Knight is not expected to play again this season for the Suns due to a heel bone bruise associated with the left ankle sprain that he suffered on March 9. Knight will not join the Suns on their four-game trip that starts with a Tuesday night game at Atlanta. When the Suns return, the only remaining game will be an April 14 season finale against the Los Angeles Clippers that Knight is not expected to play.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulcoro/sta ... 4170748928

Well, we will see if that game against OKC has been the last game in Knight's career like a Sun.

He's going to miss nearly 20 games with an ankle sprain? If he suffered an injury like Paul George he may take 5 years to come back :lol:

In Len We Trust · Post #680 » by **In Len We Trust** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 11:52 pm

I think McDonough is baffled about what to do know. He definitely wanted to see a much larger sample size.