We Are Stuck With Him - The Lance Stephenson Thread II

Post #1281 » by **fatlever** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 2:59 pm

amcoolio wrote:Watch Lance while he was in the summer league with George, McRoberts etc.his rookie year and he was the best player of the floor...very Hardenesque with sick passing. What happened.

Sure, If I was organizing a streetball team with no defense, organization and offensive sets, then Lance would be my guy. Not surprised he'd look good in a summer league setting.

gipper08 · Post #1282 » by **gipper08** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 3:02 pm

amcoolio wrote:Watch Lance while he was in the summer league with George, McRoberts etc.his rookie year and he was the best player of the floor...very Hardenesque with sick passing. What happened.

Yeah that NBA summer league team is when I got on board. Lance needs to "ball" . Uptempo, motion.

He JUST needs pace and cutters(which will give him rythem)That is all he needs to dominate.

The idea that he was "free" in Indiana is a joke. He had more freedom but Vogel is still a controller with slow pace , just not as bad and incompetent as Clifford.

Cifford is the worst situation for Lance and the best for Kemba/Al. The controlled,slow, lowest denominator, canned game.
(kemba won his title in a slow,controlled, canned, lowestdemonator).

He just needs one guy to play the two man with. In Indiana it is West/Scola . That created layups for lance and many of his asists.in CHA it is BIZ /and a little Zeller but it is a one way street.(though Zeller did hit him on the West coast for one of his three baseline layups this year...last year he had 150plus)

gipper08 · Post #1283 » by **gipper08** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 3:07 pm

fatlever wrote:
amcoolio wrote:Watch Lance while he was in the summer league with George, McRoberts etc.his rookie year and he was the best player of the floor...very Hardenesque with sick passing. What happened.

Sure, If I was organizing a streetball team with no defense, organization and offensive sets, then Lance would be my guy. Not surprised he'd look good in a summer league setting.

forget about Lance for a second. The idea that a coach calls plays and controls and organizes an offense is not basketball. Motion principles applied freely in game is the only true way to play.

Bob Knight-ever the authoratarian- ran motion and didn't really ever call "plays".

The lack of off the ball screens and off the ball movement is due to overcoaching and is why basketball is not very good. Long threes instead of layups is not winning basketball.

This is why league wide(and the Hornets) there are so many HUGE leads blown compared to the past. The high ball screen, horns , and floppy action offense leads to threes and a rested defense that merely has to wait out the storm. A real offense wears down the oppenent isnide out and from weakside to strongside.

SOme coaches call non stop plays cause they are control freaks, others to justify their salary and to be doing something(like the way the "work" the refs)

Post #1284 » by **fatlever** » Sun Apr 5, 2015 3:32 pm

You are talking to someone who is named "fatlever". My favorite team of all-time is the late 80s Denver Nuggets, coached by Doug Moe. That team ran the motion offense exclusively. I am very familiar with motion offense. I would love to see more teams go back to the free-flowing, movement offenses like motion. Unfortunately, I do not see that happening.

Braggins · Post #1285 » by **Braggins** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:48 am

We don't seem to run set plays or have a motion offense. All we seem to do is pnr, swing the ball to the other guard, and then run another pick and roll. When Al was injured and Kemba wasn't we seemed to have all kinds of movement and different offensive actions. I don't understand why we ever got away from that, but it has been painful to watch recently. Our offense is: Kemba iso/pnr, swing the ball to Mo, Mo iso or pnr, repeat.

kbrow20 · Post #1286 » by **kbrow20** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:23 am

Would you guys consider trading Lance Stephenson?

Liver_Pooty · Post #1287 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:41 am

kbrow20 wrote:Would you guys consider trading Lance Stephenson?

Lol. Uh, yeah.

kbrow20 · Post #1288 » by **kbrow20** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:43 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
kbrow20 wrote:Would you guys consider trading Lance Stephenson?

Lol. Uh, yeah.

What about a Ellis + whatever for Stephenson + whatever else needed to swap?

Liver_Pooty · Post #1289 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:49 am

kbrow20 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
kbrow20 wrote:Would you guys consider trading Lance Stephenson?

Lol. Uh, yeah.

What about a Ellis + whatever for Stephenson + whatever else needed to swap?

Send the paperwork over asap.

Braggins · Post #1290 » by **Braggins** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:43 am

Well, I certainly didn't see that coming... Did something go down in Dallas?

Liver_Pooty · Post #1291 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:44 am

Braggins wrote:Well, I certainly didn't see that coming... Did something go down in Dallas?

Ellis has struggled lately. Mavs fans are beginning to hate him.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1292 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:47 am

Lol the mere thought of Rondo and Lance playing alongside one another.... They'd be on a future episode of Jerry Springer. Could not be a worse pair in the backcourt in the history of the NBA.

Post #1293 » by **fatlever** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:48 am

A Rondo/Lance backcourt LOL.

Braggins · Post #1294 » by **Braggins** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:51 am

Kemba/Ellis probably wouldn't work either. If Ellis is struggling in Dallas I can't imagine it getting better by trading the Dirk effect for the Al/Marvin effect.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1295 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 3:56 am

Braggins wrote:Kemba/Ellis probably wouldn't work either. If Ellis is struggling in Dallas I can't imagine it getting better by trading the Dirk effect for the Al/Marvin effect.

Atleast we would know that Ellis can score whenever he wants. Terrible defensively though, but Ellis should've made the all star team this year.

Either way Carlisle would quit if Lance went there. I'd subscribe to nba league pass just to watch Rondo and Lance try and coincide together.

catch20two · Post #1296 » by **catch20two** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 12:34 pm

Isn't Rondo about to be a free agent tho? I wouldn't mind making a run at him but he might choose the Lakers or Knicks over us unless we kinda overpay.

Also I'd trade for Monta. No longer should we let Kemba's Napolean complex restrict us from going after smaller ball dominating SGs. I'd just be scared of how much freedom Clifford would give Monta. It would be like Neal to the highest power. But Monta has a relationship with one of our highly touted assistant coaches Stephen Silas that groomed him into the player he is today from the GSW days.

kbrow20 · Post #1297 » by **kbrow20** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 1:44 pm

The issue is that it is harder to find a PG at the level of Rondo. So we have to pick either keep rondo or Ellis. I think it would be easier to replace Ellis then it is Rondo. I think Lance can play defense and shoot 3s that is what we need for a SG. Not a play that holds the ball most of the game. Plus Parsons and Ellis don't get along and I would rather keep Parsons then Ellis.

Radu_Hornets · Post #1298 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:10 pm

kbrow20 wrote:The issue is that it is harder to find a PG at the level of Rondo. So we have to pick either keep rondo or Ellis. I think it would be easier to replace Ellis then it is Rondo. I think Lance can play defense and shoot 3s that is what we need for a SG. Not a play that holds the ball most of the game. Plus Parsons and Ellis don't get along and I would rather keep Parsons then Ellis.

You just described what Lance is bad at actually...

Post #1299 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:14 pm

kbrow20 wrote:I think Lance can play defense and shoot 3s that is what we need for a SG. Not a play that holds the ball most of the game.

If this were true we wouldn't want to trade him. He is shooting 16% from three this season (!!!!) and is a liability on defense. He has needed to dominate the ball to be remotely effective.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1300 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Mon Apr 6, 2015 9:37 pm

The thing is that, had the Mavs signed Lance at the start of the year he would have likely done much better with them than he did here. The Rondo trade probably never would have happened. Everyone might have been better off.

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