ImageImageImageImageImage

Official Randy Wittman Thread - It's Playoff Randy Time LOL

Moderators: LyricalRico, nate33, montestewart

User avatar
Dark Faze
Head Coach
Posts: 6,489
And1: 2,140
Joined: Dec 27, 2008

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#861 » by Dark Faze » Fri Apr 3, 2015 3:55 pm

Well Nene's time is coming. We all see it, we all know it, the question is what sort of mindset and logic will be the orchestrator of his replacement and our style of play.
User avatar
McFilthy
Sophomore
Posts: 211
And1: 108
Joined: Jan 07, 2014
Location: Bethesda, MD

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#862 » by McFilthy » Fri Apr 3, 2015 4:37 pm

Here is an article that implicitly talks about Gortat's dissatisfaction with how he is used offensively by his refusal to answer certain questions.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2015/4/2/ ... me-talking

There does seem to be some questioning of Wittman by some players. I remember the John Wall quote when asked why Otto Porter has not gotten consistent minutes "You got the ask Mr. Wittman that one." This does not mean Randy has lost the team, but there are some cracks in the damn.

WIttman does not seem to relish press conferences, etc. and no one likes to get a microphone stuck into their face and asked why did their team lose or almost blow a lead. When I see those press conferences, I really think Randy doesn't know and is looking for answers. Hence, the SEE = standard effort excuse.
Dat2U
RealGM
Posts: 24,190
And1: 7,983
Joined: Jun 23, 2001
Location: Columbus, OH
       

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#863 » by Dat2U » Fri Apr 3, 2015 5:32 pm

Nene should have been coming off the bench all year and been the go-to-guy once our starters sit. He would have excelled in that role dominating inferior 4s with his mid-post game.

Pierce should have been the starting 4 all year... splitting minutes with Nene and using Drew Gooden to provide rest.

I really wanted to sign Anthony Tolliver last offseason because he would have been the perfect stretch 4 who can defend at a solid level unlike Gooden. This would have allowed me to rest Pierce/Nene on certain nights when there ever was a 3 games in 4 day stretch or 4 in 5 days. Pierce & Nene look completely done at times because we haven't properly rest them enough. These two are our 2nd & 3rd best players but they are only part time players at this stage.

Nene & Pierce should have been rested more with an eye towards the playoffs, instead of running their batteries down trying to rack up as many wins as possible.

Porter should have been the starting SF all year. Getting 28-32 minutes a night consistently... i think he'd be at a more advanced stage in his development if Wittman actually ran plays to his strength wher mid-range/high post... showed some confidence and allowed him to play through mistakes. I think his passiveness partly comes from that fear.

Ernie really needed to add another wing into the mix. I honestly thought Glen Rice Jr was capable of being that guy that could defend well while providing some offensive punch with his scoring ability but an emotional knucklehead like Rice & a stubborn old school coach like Witt were oil and water. Problem is once the magic spell wore off on Rasual Butler and he came crashing back to earth we had no where to turn.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,591
And1: 23,056
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#864 » by nate33 » Fri Apr 3, 2015 9:00 pm

fishercob wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
Barnes is solid- but I would still rather have Beal.

Agreed. I'm not all that impressed with Barnes.



Beal vs Klay, first three seasons. Keep in mind, Beal is two years younger.
Otto vs. Barnes through two seasons. Barnes played nearly triple the minutes.
Otto vs Barnes in their second seasons.

If you have trouble coming to the conclusion that Beal/Otto are on similar development tracks to Klay/Barnes, do let me know.

This is why, with all the frustration about how this organization has been run, I still maintain that our future is salvageable if the right people are put in charge. We need a smart and aggressive GM and a modern NBA coach who can suit an offense to our strengths. Create space for Wall and Gortat to pick and roll people to death, while also allowing Beal and Otto to slash and cut. It's not rocket science.

Go get Kevin Love and a good coach and this team will win 55 games and contend for the East.

Dark Faze got it right. I don't think it's wise to bet on the type of 4th year jump that Klay Thompson made. Klay's PER jumped from 14 to 21. His USG% jumped from 23 to 28. His ORtg jumped from 108 to 112.

Obviously, anything can happen. I'm not saying we should give up on Beal and cut him. I'm just saying that I think his trade value probably exceeds his actual value. I'd quietly shop him and see what offers are out there. Perhaps none of the offers would be enticing, but it's worth testing the market.
hands11
Banned User
Posts: 31,171
And1: 2,444
Joined: May 16, 2005

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#865 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 3, 2015 10:52 pm

McFilthy wrote:Here is an article that implicitly talks about Gortat's dissatisfaction with how he is used offensively by his refusal to answer certain questions.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2015/4/2/ ... me-talking

There does seem to be some questioning of Wittman by some players. I remember the John Wall quote when asked why Otto Porter has not gotten consistent minutes "You got the ask Mr. Wittman that one." This does not mean Randy has lost the team, but there are some cracks in the damn.

WIttman does not seem to relish press conferences, etc. and no one likes to get a microphone stuck into their face and asked why did their team lose or almost blow a lead. When I see those press conferences, I really think Randy doesn't know and is looking for answers. Hence, the SEE = standard effort excuse.


Seems you have to now you the URL button if you want the URL not to get clipped.
hands11
Banned User
Posts: 31,171
And1: 2,444
Joined: May 16, 2005

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#866 » by hands11 » Fri Apr 3, 2015 11:00 pm

McFilthy wrote:Here is an article that implicitly talks about Gortat's dissatisfaction with how he is used offensively by his refusal to answer certain questions.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2015/4/2/ ... me-talking

There does seem to be some questioning of Wittman by some players. I remember the John Wall quote when asked why Otto Porter has not gotten consistent minutes "You got the ask Mr. Wittman that one." This does not mean Randy has lost the team, but there are some cracks in the damn.

WIttman does not seem to relish press conferences, etc. and no one likes to get a microphone stuck into their face and asked why did their team lose or almost blow a lead. When I see those press conferences, I really think Randy doesn't know and is looking for answers. Hence, the SEE = standard effort excuse.


Yeep.. this team is not on the same page in the locker room. I think that has been the case for a little while now.

Question is, who is in whos camp ?

As for Randy not knowing the answer. Hell, he has told us that numerous times in interview using those very words.

Randy stumbles into answers more often then choosing the right ones. Then he tries to force his style again as soon as he can.

Seems like Ted is getting frustrated by this.

If Hump never got injured, we wouldn't have been seeing Gooden. If Nene didn't have twins, Gooden wouldn't have started 2 games. And if PP wasn't resting. Otto wouldn't have started last game.
Wizardspride
RealGM
Posts: 17,452
And1: 11,658
Joined: Nov 05, 2004
Location: Olney, MD/Kailua/Kaneohe, HI
       

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#867 » by Wizardspride » Sun Apr 5, 2015 4:54 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jorgeccastillo/status/584757970820538368[/tweet]

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
Ruzious
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 47,909
And1: 11,582
Joined: Jul 17, 2001
       

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#868 » by Ruzious » Sun Apr 5, 2015 5:15 pm

hands11 wrote:
McFilthy wrote:Here is an article that implicitly talks about Gortat's dissatisfaction with how he is used offensively by his refusal to answer certain questions.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2015/4/2/ ... me-talking

There does seem to be some questioning of Wittman by some players. I remember the John Wall quote when asked why Otto Porter has not gotten consistent minutes "You got the ask Mr. Wittman that one." This does not mean Randy has lost the team, but there are some cracks in the damn.

WIttman does not seem to relish press conferences, etc. and no one likes to get a microphone stuck into their face and asked why did their team lose or almost blow a lead. When I see those press conferences, I really think Randy doesn't know and is looking for answers. Hence, the SEE = standard effort excuse.


Yeep.. this team is not on the same page in the locker room. I think that has been the case for a little while now.

Question is, who is in whos camp ?

As for Randy not knowing the answer. Hell, he has told us that numerous times in interview using those very words.

Randy stumbles into answers more often then choosing the right ones. Then he tries to force his style again as soon as he can.

Seems like Ted is getting frustrated by this.

If Hump never got injured, we wouldn't have been seeing Gooden. If Nene didn't have twins, Gooden wouldn't have started 2 games. And if PP wasn't resting. Otto wouldn't have started last game.

The problem with Nene is that he wore down because of playing too many minutes and not getting rested enough. The last few weeks when he did play, it was obvious that he couldn't move. Gooden's play has dramatically improved, but it's mostly been against bad teams. Come playoff time, is there reason to expect he'll do better than in last year's playoffs - when he made 36% of his shots, zero 3's, and was subpar defensively?
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
User avatar
TheSecretWeapon
RealGM
Posts: 17,122
And1: 877
Joined: May 29, 2001
Location: Milliways
Contact:
       

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#869 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:20 pm

Wizardspride wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/jorgeccastillo/status/584757970820538368[/tweet]


Kinda interesting that the Wiz front office were saying the team's problems during basically that time frame was because they weren't playing hard enough on defense.
"A lot of what we call talent is the desire to practice."
-- Malcolm Gladwell

Check out my blog about the Wizards, movies, writing, music, TV, sports, and whatever else comes to mind.
hands11
Banned User
Posts: 31,171
And1: 2,444
Joined: May 16, 2005

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#870 » by hands11 » Mon Apr 6, 2015 2:37 pm

Ruzious wrote:
hands11 wrote:
McFilthy wrote:Here is an article that implicitly talks about Gortat's dissatisfaction with how he is used offensively by his refusal to answer certain questions.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2015/4/2/ ... me-talking

There does seem to be some questioning of Wittman by some players. I remember the John Wall quote when asked why Otto Porter has not gotten consistent minutes "You got the ask Mr. Wittman that one." This does not mean Randy has lost the team, but there are some cracks in the damn.

WIttman does not seem to relish press conferences, etc. and no one likes to get a microphone stuck into their face and asked why did their team lose or almost blow a lead. When I see those press conferences, I really think Randy doesn't know and is looking for answers. Hence, the SEE = standard effort excuse.


Yeep.. this team is not on the same page in the locker room. I think that has been the case for a little while now.

Question is, who is in whos camp ?

As for Randy not knowing the answer. Hell, he has told us that numerous times in interview using those very words.

Randy stumbles into answers more often then choosing the right ones. Then he tries to force his style again as soon as he can.

Seems like Ted is getting frustrated by this.

If Hump never got injured, we wouldn't have been seeing Gooden. If Nene didn't have twins, Gooden wouldn't have started 2 games. And if PP wasn't resting. Otto wouldn't have started last game.

The problem with Nene is that he wore down because of playing too many minutes and not getting rested enough. The last few weeks when he did play, it was obvious that he couldn't move. Gooden's play has dramatically improved, but it's mostly been against bad teams. Come playoff time, is there reason to expect he'll do better than in last year's playoffs - when he made 36% of his shots, zero 3's, and was subpar defensively?


I would have to review the numbers.

Who was on the floor with him ?

I expect Gooden to be Gooden. I expect him to bring the things he does. Spread the floor for everyone. Get tip backs. Take charges. And run in transition faster then Nene. And hit some 3s and sadly, long 2s.

The net effect of this presence on the court works well with Wall, Otto and Gortat and allow them to be out to a fast start.

Nene holds the ball to much. Can't get out on the perimeter. Doesn't stretch the floor and competes for touches with Gortat whos offense is much more quick hitting and more transition. Which is good for Wall and the team. And kill momentum by constantly clanking FTs. Meaning we change positions with either 1 or 0 pts.

Having Nene benefits them because that is amazing to have as depth and Nene actually is one of the players that help make Kevin useful. Kevin plays well with Nene. I think this the right balanced line ups, this team could come at other teams two line ups deep and be a handful to handle. And their starting line up would be much younger and quicker if Otto is out there. Otto also playing well with Gooden and Gortat and the open floor.

Just one mans take on things.
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,904
And1: 10,483
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

 

Post#871 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Apr 6, 2015 4:09 pm

Gooden helps Wall, Sessions, Beal and Gortat make easier cuts to the basket. Otto's handle and his speed on rim runs are both enhanced with Gooden at PF and with Pierce and Nene out of the lineup. Porter is quick to retrieve loose balls and long rebounds.

It's amazing how much chemistry matters.

Nene and Pierce are both good, potentially very effective players.
User avatar
TheSecretWeapon
RealGM
Posts: 17,122
And1: 877
Joined: May 29, 2001
Location: Milliways
Contact:
       

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#872 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Apr 6, 2015 5:10 pm

Since March 1 (roughly the time Gooden started getting regular minutes), the Wiz have been better on offense by 7.4 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor, and they've been 7.1 points per 100 possessions better defensively.
"A lot of what we call talent is the desire to practice."
-- Malcolm Gladwell

Check out my blog about the Wizards, movies, writing, music, TV, sports, and whatever else comes to mind.
dckingsfan
RealGM
Posts: 35,159
And1: 20,598
Joined: May 28, 2010

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#873 » by dckingsfan » Mon Apr 6, 2015 5:24 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:Since March 1 (roughly the time Gooden started getting regular minutes), the Wiz have been better on offense by 7.4 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor, and they've been 7.1 points per 100 possessions better defensively.


Who would have thought?
closg00
RealGM
Posts: 24,680
And1: 4,550
Joined: Nov 21, 2004

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#874 » by closg00 » Mon Apr 6, 2015 5:33 pm

Randy's on a run, him and Ernie together into the future. Don't forget to take your antacid tabs on draft night.
fishercob
RealGM
Posts: 13,922
And1: 1,571
Joined: Apr 25, 2002
Location: Tenleytown, DC

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#875 » by fishercob » Mon Apr 6, 2015 6:48 pm

Dark Faze wrote:The Klay and Beal development tracks have been discussed. All we can really do is hope it works out, but huge jumps in PER and efficiency on the sort of level Klay has shown don't happen every day, and there were still things that Klay was doing that Beal isn't even in worse seasons.



When I look at the three season comparison, with one notable exception -- shot selection. 42% of Klay's attempts were from 3, versus 31% for Beal. As a result (and some slightly better FT shooting), Klay's TS% is much higher.

I am not saying -- and would never say -- that based on these two data sets that we can expect Beal to take the leap that Klay has. But I am saying that we shouldn't write Beal off as a 21-year old even though he's been in the league for three seasons. Klay's leap is a cautionary tale in that regard, no?

To nate's point, I would absolutely put quiet feelers out to see what BB would fetch in a trade. Any good front office should be doing that constantly up and down the roster. But bear in mind that nearly any trade of Beal's potential for better production will entail acquiring someone older and/or more expensive -- also known as #SoWizards.

If we choose to deal Beal before extending him, we can do so before next deadline. Hopefully by then we will have seen him under a new coach, palying a modern NBA system in which he's allowed -- no, encouraged -- to bomb away from three 6 or 7 times a game.
"Some people have a way with words....some people....not have way."
— Steve Martin
dobrojim
RealGM
Posts: 16,994
And1: 4,147
Joined: Sep 16, 2004

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#876 » by dobrojim » Mon Apr 6, 2015 6:58 pm

Wizardspride wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/jorgeccastillo/status/584757970820538368[/tweet]


Interesting to hear this. Just curious if this information has made it into the print press.
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
User avatar
BigA
Analyst
Posts: 3,091
And1: 999
Joined: Oct 05, 2005
Location: Arlington, VA
 

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#877 » by BigA » Mon Apr 6, 2015 6:59 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:Since March 1 (roughly the time Gooden started getting regular minutes), the Wiz have been better on offense by 7.4 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor, and they've been 7.1 points per 100 possessions better defensively.


He got back together with the yoga instructor.
dobrojim
RealGM
Posts: 16,994
And1: 4,147
Joined: Sep 16, 2004

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#878 » by dobrojim » Mon Apr 6, 2015 7:00 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:Since March 1 (roughly the time Gooden started getting regular minutes), the Wiz have been better on offense by 7.4 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor, and they've been 7.1 points per 100 possessions better defensively.


Not surprised by this, Nene had been failing my eye-test compared to how he has played in the not
that long ago past for us. Do the numbers back this up?
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
User avatar
TheSecretWeapon
RealGM
Posts: 17,122
And1: 877
Joined: May 29, 2001
Location: Milliways
Contact:
       

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#879 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Apr 6, 2015 7:13 pm

dobrojim wrote:
TheSecretWeapon wrote:Since March 1 (roughly the time Gooden started getting regular minutes), the Wiz have been better on offense by 7.4 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor, and they've been 7.1 points per 100 possessions better defensively.


Not surprised by this, Nene had been failing my eye-test compared to how he has played in the not
that long ago past for us. Do the numbers back this up?


Your eye test seems just fine in this case. Since March 1, the Wizards have been worse offensively by 9.3 points per 100 possessions with Nenê on the floor. They've been worse defensively by 11.7 points per 100 possessions.
"A lot of what we call talent is the desire to practice."
-- Malcolm Gladwell

Check out my blog about the Wizards, movies, writing, music, TV, sports, and whatever else comes to mind.
dobrojim
RealGM
Posts: 16,994
And1: 4,147
Joined: Sep 16, 2004

Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#880 » by dobrojim » Mon Apr 6, 2015 7:16 pm

Sorry. I was unclear about my question which more plainly worded would be something like
how much worse than his Wiz career #s has Nene been since say Feb 1? (or pick some other
date).
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities

Return to Washington Wizards