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Draft Prospects in the National Title Game 

Post#1 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Apr 6, 2015 8:28 pm

Though we missed out on one of the most anticipated Championship matchups in decades, we're still being treated to what is hopefully an amazing game tonight between Duke and WIS. The matchup features a number of Lottery prospects:

Frank Kaminsky – Wisconsin PF 7’0″ 242

Kaminsky has put on a show in the NCAA tournament and has really made a strong case for lottery consideration. The big question for Kaminsky is where will he play in the NBA? He is clearly big enough to be a stretch five-type center, however he’s not a great athlete and his foot speed leaves a lot to be desired. However, his footwork, hands, passing ability and toughness are going to get him drafted. He’s also a heck of a shooter. Some have said the worst case for Kaminsky is New Orleans big man Ryan Anderson, who is more of a spot up three-point shooter. The best case might be Pau Gasol. There are so many similarities to Kaminsky’s game and Gasol coming into the NBA. Neither are highly thought of on the defensive end, both are super skilled offensive players and both have a motor that is uncanny.

Justise Winslow – Duke SF 6’7″ 229

If you have been watching the NCAA tournament, it’s easy to get excited about what Winslow could be in the NBA. The best way to describe his game is he’s a utility knife player. He is stellar with the ball, on defense and at creating for himself and others. When it comes to second-option players, Winslow might be the best on the board, in much the way Andre Iguodala was in his prime. The trap on Winslow is believing he can shoulder a team on his own; that is where his issues might leave you wanting. When it comes to the first second-tier guy taken, Winslow could be the best of the bunch.

Sam Dekker – Wisconsin SF 6’9″ 229

Like Kaminsky, Dekker has put on a show in the NCCA tournament. He is a knock down shooter with a crafty offensive game. His length can cause problems for opposing players. The problem for Dekker is he is not an elite athlete and at the next level his game may not translate as well. There is risk with Dekker in the lottery. He might be the best guy of the “ready-to-play” bunch, or he may end up being simply a solid rotation player on a good team. NBA teams value winners and guys that can play in the clutch and that’s certainly something Dekker has shown in the tournament, but when the players get bigger, stronger and faster, is he going to be that kind of guy in the NBA? There is no doubt that Dekker gets drafted and likely gets drafted pretty high, but this pick is likely as hit or miss as they come. Dekker embodies what the NBA has been seeking with an increased age limit – the ability to really look at a prospect – and Dekker has been thoroughly scouted and scrutinized.
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So, what will you guys be looking for tonight? Any predictions on the matchups we might see? Or who wins the whole she-bang?
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Post#2 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Apr 6, 2015 8:28 pm

For what it's worth, Justise Winslow might be my favorite player coming out of this draft.
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Post#3 » by PandaKidd » Mon Apr 6, 2015 8:35 pm

Winslow elevated his stock to me, I love Dekker as well.

Kaminsky i think can be a capable scorer, but he will get exposed on defense vs bigger stronger more athletic bigs in the NBA
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Post#4 » by ATL Boy » Tue Apr 7, 2015 1:00 am

If we miss out on the lotto, I can see Bud/Ferry falling in love with Kaminsky in the middle of the first.
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Post#5 » by Hawk Eye » Tue Apr 7, 2015 1:59 am

Man, Winslow's defense looks so good. I originally had him pegged as the 2nd best prospect wing between Johnson, himself, and Oubre but now I think I would go

1. Winslow
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Post#6 » by PandaKidd » Tue Apr 7, 2015 2:12 am

Winslow looks really really good
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Post#7 » by PandaKidd » Tue Apr 7, 2015 2:42 am

Kaminsky, after this performance, think he becomes top 10 pick?

Hes making okafor look average
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Post#8 » by Hawk Eye » Tue Apr 7, 2015 2:50 am

PandaKidd wrote:Kaminsky, after this performance, think he becomes top 10 pick?

Hes making okafor look average


I think it all depends on whether he has a good combine showing or not.

If he impresses at the combine (which I don't think he will) then he will
Most likely be a top ten pick. If not then I could see him slipping to around #15, probably not past #20.
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Post#9 » by PandaKidd » Tue Apr 7, 2015 2:56 am

Man I thought okafor would dominate on the post , hes looking lost. No rythym , getting ABUSED by frank
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Post#10 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:11 am

Frank has been very impressive tonight. He has done a great job of defending the much stronger okafor. His offensive post game is a thing of beauty.
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Post#11 » by atlantabbq99 » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:21 am

Man, great game so far!
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Post#12 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:23 am

Heck of a game. Those Duke freshman guards are something else.
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Post#13 » by atlantabbq99 » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:24 am

Great game, but individually, everybody kind of under performed. Kaminsky wasn't good, only decent, while everybody else, Dekker, Winslow, and Okafor didn't have good games and performed below expectation.
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Post#14 » by PandaKidd » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:40 am

21/12 underperformed? Kaminsky outplayed everyone. Down the stretch okafor had some big baskets and jones hit some clutch shots.

Frank basically outplayed the consensus #1 ,#2 pick in BACK TO BACK games.
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Post#15 » by atlantabbq99 » Tue Apr 7, 2015 6:30 am

I said that Kaminsky was decent while everybody else under performed. please read first. i'll give Kaminsky a -B because he went 7-16 from the field, where as prior to that he went 7-11 against Towns and Willy, and went 30pts against AZ.
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Post#16 » by Hawk Eye » Tue Apr 7, 2015 6:32 am

I'm sorry but I'm in the camp that really doesn't want us to draft Kamensky. My "bust-radar" goes crazy when I watch this dude play.

1. The guy can ball. Proved that in the tournament this season, but guys that are really un-athletic don't translate well in the NBA.

2. He's slow, has slow footwork, slow on reading defenses/offenses, etc.

3. Bigger bigs such as KAT & Okafor backed him down in the post with absolute ease. This could just be a strength issue that can be resolved by hitting the weight room over time though.

3. his biggest asset seems to be that he is a 7 footer that can stretch the floor. While that is a rare commodity in today's league, we already have a lot of guys who can stretch the floor on our roster (literally everyone but brand lol).
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Post#17 » by atlantabbq99 » Tue Apr 7, 2015 7:47 am

I agree, i'm not that high on Kamensky. I think their will be some other prospects availble to the Hawks who will be better, but i also wouldn't be surprised if Kamensky ended up being a decent starting center like Vucevic or Hawes.

But i don't agree with you about Kamensky being slow. I think his quickness is one of his strengths. He has a move when he puts the ball on the floor and has a running hook towards the basket and he looks like he beats his man most of the time. What worries me about Kamensky is his strength and toughness
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Post#18 » by PandaKidd » Tue Apr 7, 2015 8:51 am

Decent ? Did you watch ? Your sentence structure was poor, you said "everybody underperformed". Where I come from everybody = EVERYBODY

Please read your paragraph again.
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Post#19 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Tue Apr 7, 2015 10:42 am

I have to agree with panda. I dont see how any one can call Frank's performance decent. So one missed shot away from shooting 50% nullifies the fact that he had 21 and 12 while keeping okafor in foul trouble all night? Wiscy lost because dekker was nowhere to be seen while the two guards were hot for duke.

If we're talking about busts, I'm going to look straight at Okafor. Okafor is a bad defender who cant make a shot outside of 8 feet and he cant make a FT. He's very slow in transition as well and this is a terrible combo for today's NBA. He reminds me of Sheldon williams in that he relied on overpowering people in the ncaa's. He won't have that luxury in the NBA. Atleast kaminsky has actual offensive skill and can score in a variety of ways.
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Post#20 » by PandaKidd » Tue Apr 7, 2015 1:09 pm

Now that im near a PC........

Let me preface all of this by saying upfront , I DO NOT WATCH COLLEGE BASKETBALL. The 1st game I watched was Saturday night when it was UK vs WIS. The national title game was my 2nd game I watched this year (outside of going to a GT vs NC State game locally).

You said:
Great game, but individually, everybody kind of under performed. Kaminsky wasn't good, only decent


So before you get condescending and tell me to check my reading skills, the way you worded it was that EVERYBODY UNDER PERFORMED. So excuse me for responding.

Now that that is done, you still went on to say that Kaminsky wasnt good despite basically OWNING the #1 and #2 overall NBA draft propects? Some things I noticed:

Kaminsky LOOKS SLOW, but, he was supposed to get beat up down low and Okafor had almost nothing for him. he had a bunch of put back dunks, and got into foul trouble because he just could not guard kaminsky AT ALL. Wasnt even close. Okafor was ALWAYS on his heels, couldnt guard him outside, couldnt guard him inside (Franks footwork is probably the best out of those 3 guys (towns,okafor/kaminsky).

Now, having said all that, dont forget that Kaminsky is 3 years older, he looks more polished and refined. Okafor, I think if you just look at ceiling (same with Towns) I just think after all that is taken into consideration that their ceilings are potentially much higher. Kaminsky will be a good pro, but, I think you are seeing his ceiling now. There are some things that he needs to work on, like he ALWAYS GOES LEFT. Ala Randle.

I think Kaminsky helped his draft stock over the last 2 games, but , I still think NBA Scouts will say Okafor/Towns are clearly going to be better POTENTIALLY. I do agree though, with what I saw out of Okafor last night gave me a little pause. He has no offense outside of 10 feet that I saw, he couldnt guard Kaminsky in the paint or on the perimeter, he hacks a TON, and he cant shoot FTs. He also looked to be extremely nervous on the big stage (which at 19 is understandable to a point).

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