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Official 2015 NBA Draft Discussion Thread [ft. TyCobb]

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Who will win the national championship?

Wisconsin
6
25%
Kentucky
7
29%
Duke
9
38%
Michigan state
2
8%
 
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Post#1041 » by crazyeights » Tue Apr 7, 2015 1:34 am

Mirjalovic wrote:in a draft that full of good big and lead guard, its very unwise to draft a SF that can't really shoot or playmaking.

SF is a dime a dozen, and i dont think they even an important position in NBA.. just slide someone who tall enough and can defense and shooting and we are golden. in other hand, a good big or a good lead guard is the recipe to success.

we could even draft decent SF with Rockets pick (Rondae, Justin, Dekker)

dont forget Kahwi, Middleton and Caroll will hit FA market.


So SFs are a dime a dozen, as a whole aren't an important position, yet you list Kawhi (someone we won't have a chance at getting for another, what? 5 years) who was the finals MVP last year? And a huge part of the Spur's future....

The reason Kawhi is so important is that he's that perimeter defensive wiz that can guard LeBron and 4 positions. Every elite team has a guy somewhat like that player, so to say they're a dime a dozen is silly, because they're obviously important.

Last year I wanted to draft Gordon for the same reasons, so to me it makes sense that if the brass doesn't see a big or pg diamond in the rough at the 4th or 5th pick, then we absolutely should pick a stud defensive spear.

And sure, Winslow's stock has raised, probably because of the eye test. IDK about you, but when you watch Duke you come in expecting to be blown away by Okafor and then you realize there's this stud right there on his team grabbing just as many or more rebounds, guarding multiple positions.

I'm not saying Winslow or bust, but to dismiss a basketball player because he's in the 6'7"-6'9" range is stupid. So many point guards can't shoot for **** and people say they'll learn. Well, I'm pretty sure forwards can learn to shoot too. I keep thinking of Randle and a physical dude like Winslow or even Stanley Johnson on the boards and I imagine just hammering teams.

What sucks is we'll never get to see the workouts that really will decide who gets picked where.
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Post#1042 » by dockingsched » Tue Apr 7, 2015 1:38 am

Winslow shoots over 40% from 3
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Post#1043 » by crazyeights » Tue Apr 7, 2015 1:40 am

:lol:

So what's the confusion? His mid-range game? These are college kids! A big man is raw as hell in the post and guys make every excuse in the world how he'll improve, and yeah he might. But a forward can't learn to shoot an 8 footer?
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Post#1044 » by dockingsched » Tue Apr 7, 2015 1:42 am

crazyeights wrote::lol:

So what's the confusion? His mid-range game? These are college kids! A big man is raw as hell in the post and guys make every excuse in the world how he'll improve, and yeah he might. But a forward can't learn to shoot an 8 footer?


Nitpicking I think. The guy gets to the rim with force and can finish through contact. He also shoots 41.7 from 3. Guy is a monster and he's even better defensively. dukes defense right now is built around Winslow anchoring the middle.
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Post#1045 » by ALL HAIL » Tue Apr 7, 2015 1:43 am

crazyeights wrote::lol:

So what's the confusion? His mid-range game? These are college kids! A big man is raw as hell in the post and guys make every excuse in the world how he'll improve, and yeah he might. But a forward can't learn to shoot an 8 footer?

The confusion is that you're trying to teach nincompoops.
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Post#1046 » by Mirjalovic » Tue Apr 7, 2015 1:48 am

the point i listed Kahwi is, because we could probably get him (1% chance tho), or another SFs (bigger chance) without sacrificing our high picks. Now we talk about rebounding ? Well Rondae gets more rebounds avg than Winslow in basically the same MPG. He can defend too, and wont cost us top 5 pick, when we could use them for Town, Jahlil, WCS or Russell.
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Post#1047 » by Slava » Tue Apr 7, 2015 2:06 am

Pretty solid game so far. Kind of weird to see the white people not knowing what to do against Duke's zone.
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Post#1048 » by EArl » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:05 am

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Post#1049 » by EArl » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:14 am

okafor with that clutchnes.
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Post#1050 » by Slava » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:27 am

Tyus Jones ran that ****! Dekker hiding from the ball in the final minutes was disgrace.
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Post#1051 » by iamworthy » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:41 am

Okafor 10/3
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Post#1052 » by moonpie » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:45 am

So the tourney is over. I think Combine is sometime in May and obviously we've got lotto night on the 19th (?) What are your guys' final lottery big boards?
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Post#1053 » by Mirjalovic » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:55 am

iamworthy wrote:Okafor 10/3


well he actually made a clutch play in the right time that game..

but yeah, thats disapointing game from him
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Post#1054 » by Fresh360Waves » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:06 am

Karmaloop wrote:
Fresh360Waves wrote:This Winslow hype reminds me of Shabazz Napier last year at UConn.


Winslow is 100x the player that Napier is/was. He's not in that first tier (Okafor, Towns, Mudiay, and Russell), but he's got an argument to be as high as #5.


I know, I was talking about in terms of being talked about a lot. Everyone thought Shabazz should've been drafted high just because of his college success. I'm well aware of the draft prospects.
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Post#1055 » by tugs » Tue Apr 7, 2015 12:12 pm

So daddy Winslow wants his son to stay one more year in college.
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Post#1056 » by ratedrdb » Tue Apr 7, 2015 12:25 pm

duke won not because of okafor but WHAT oh yeah gaurds..
last 30 years of nba champs
heat----no c....
mavas==no c...tryson chandler
spurs----pf-
lakers--- SHAQ no ever like him again
bulls-- no c
Celtics--no c... perkins
pistons-- no c
ok so I proved my point. stop being so rude when someone posts something u don't agree with
just open ur eyes
someone said Anthony davis great player team 8th spot.....
all iam saying is its easyier to find biggs later than sf
we r looking for all-stars not bench guys we got that now
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Post#1057 » by NBAWestFan » Tue Apr 7, 2015 2:26 pm

Okafor #1 by Need Lakers need a big guy. Okafor showed he has more Offensive potential at this point than Towns to me.
Winslow is a good player but not ahead of a big unless he was a great SF. He is a good SF.
Dekker, Stanley Johnson really dropped alot to me and Johnson should probably stay in school.

The guy who probably wont be in the NBA that made the biggest difference at the right time was Grayson Allen.
His defensive leadership and driving to the hoop was surprising for small small forward at times. He is a guard
but the big game of Allen, Jones was the key to Victory for Duke.
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Post#1058 » by crazyeights » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:16 pm

ratedrdb wrote:duke won not because of okafor but WHAT oh yeah gaurds..
last 30 years of nba champs
heat----no c....
mavas==no c...tryson chandler
spurs----pf-
lakers--- SHAQ no ever like him again
bulls-- no c
Celtics--no c... perkins
pistons-- no c
ok so I proved my point. stop being so rude when someone posts something u don't agree with
just open ur eyes
someone said Anthony davis great player team 8th spot.....
all iam saying is its easyier to find biggs later than sf
we r looking for all-stars not bench guys we got that now


You think the Celtics had a top flight defense because of Ray Allen, sophomore Rondo, and Paul Pierce? No man, it was all KG, Perkins, and Posey. None of which are guards.

Then you bring up Shaq which is 5 titles of 30.

No Pau/Lamar/Bynum (the difference between a treadmill team and 2 time champions).

Tyson Chandler was huge for that Dallas team defensively.

And to rag on Anthony Davis but call Tim Duncan just a PF is hilarious. Can't have it both ways. A defensive anchor is more valuable than a guard--unless the guard is so surefire that he's got top 5 potential at his position.

Anyway it's a pointless discussion, because there are always exceptions and in reality there are no steadfast rules.

I will say your conclusions above seem revisionist at best.
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Post#1059 » by crazyeights » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:31 pm

As others have said though, the Lakers have so many needs, really position wise they can't miss this draft.

So long as we're lucky enough to keep the pick/avoid a huge bust.
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Post#1060 » by ak7 » Tue Apr 7, 2015 3:33 pm

ratedrdb wrote:duke won not because of okafor but WHAT oh yeah gaurds..ok so I proved my point. stop being so rude when someone posts something u don't agree with
just open ur eyes
someone said Anthony davis great player team 8th spot.....
all iam saying is its easyier to find biggs later than sf
we r looking for all-stars not bench guys we got that now


Duke won because there is a booster walking around campus with some deep pockets and some backdoor connections to the refs of last night's game. :lol:

Your argument is a bit weird to me though in the sense that not many championships are won anymore by teams with only one "dominant" player. In fact in the past 15 years the closest a team has gotten with only one dominant player was AI's 76ers, I would think?

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