ImageImageImageImageImage

March Madness Discussion

Moderators: montestewart, LyricalRico, nate33

User avatar
gesa2
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,259
And1: 390
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Location: Warwick MD
       

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#81 » by gesa2 » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:27 am

Duke, especially Tyus Jones, made plays down the stretch. But they wouldn't have even been in the game if the refs had called the game evenly in the second half.
Making extreme statements like "only" sounds like there are "no" Jokics in this draft? Jokic is an engine that was drafted in the 2nd round. Always a chance to see diamond dropped by sloppy burgular after a theft.
-WizD
Ruzious
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 47,909
And1: 11,582
Joined: Jul 17, 2001
       

Re: 

Post#82 » by Ruzious » Tue Apr 7, 2015 11:27 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Grayson Allen was just as heroic as Tyus Jones.

Dekker played like Jake Layman today. Pooped his pants.

Dekker seemed to lose his mojo in the second half. Part of it was Winslow playing tough defense - If Winslow develops a good jump shot, he could be a helluvan NBA player.

I thought the crusty Wiscy coach blew it by not doing what he did in the KY game - rest Kaminsky for 2 or 3 minutes down the stretch. A fresh Kaminsky is much better than a tired Kaminsky.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
80sballboy
RealGM
Posts: 24,116
And1: 5,822
Joined: Jul 15, 2006
       

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#83 » by 80sballboy » Tue Apr 7, 2015 12:21 pm

In some ways, Wisconsin wet the bed. But at the end, you have to give credit to Tyus Jones, Allen and Coach K for making Wisconsin play their pace. Ultimately, they got tired and I think the Kentucky game caught up with them, while Duke had a much easier semifinal. Ryan is a very good coach but Coach K is in a different stratosphere. He found a way to get even at the half without Okafor and won with his best player being fresh at the end because he sat him due to foul trouble. Wisconsin never took advantage of posting up Dekker and Kaminsky enough when Okafor and Winslow was out. Dekker's rainbow three-point shots couldn't even catch rim in this game. A lot of people were saying how great this kid was going to be because he had five great games, despite having an average regular season. The average Dekker showed up in the championship game.

I thought this was a toss-up game but Coach K and those quicker guards were the difference. I think if Traevon Jackson was healthy and in better shape, they may win the game. Koenig is more of a combo guard. Gasser is pesky but small. They never even played Showalter for some reason. He could have been their Grayson Allen. Oh well. Don't like Duke but respect them.
dobrojim
RealGM
Posts: 16,814
And1: 4,043
Joined: Sep 16, 2004

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#84 » by dobrojim » Tue Apr 7, 2015 2:57 pm

Since I was rooting for Badgers, I felt like Duke got the benefit of more than their fair share of close calls
but Wisc didn't play their best game either. I thought lousy FT shooting in the first half was indicative
that Wisc felt the pressure of the Champ game a lot more than Duke did. And why did Wisc not make
the adjustment to step out on those high screens and challenge shots? Dekker stunk. Wisc needed a
better game from him. I don't like Duke but have a man-crush on Coach K and the job he does.
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
LyricalRico
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 30,561
And1: 853
Joined: May 23, 2002
Location: Back into the fray!
Contact:
       

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#85 » by LyricalRico » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:09 pm

dobrojim wrote:Dekker stunk. Wisc needed a better game from him.


This was the key for me. I was expecting the same clutch Dekker we've come to know to show up, but he never did. True, it seemed like Wisc was determined to go through Kaminsky late in the 4th (as they probably should have), but Dekker still could have found a way to make a few more plays.

It's just tough to see Duke win...again. :nonono:
dobrojim
RealGM
Posts: 16,814
And1: 4,043
Joined: Sep 16, 2004

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#86 » by dobrojim » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:37 pm

It's not quite like Dallas winning the Super Bowl but still not a desirable outcome
and just a reminder for those who don't know or have forgotten, I'm not a Slurs fan.
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Those who are convinced of absurdities, can be convinced to commit atrocities
User avatar
Higga
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,877
And1: 831
Joined: Jan 29, 2007
Location: Tyson's Corner, VA

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#87 » by Higga » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:50 pm

A shame Kentucky gagged vs. Wisconsin because they would have pounded Duke.

Hate the Blue Devils but have to give them props I guess. They were consistently great all year and stepped up when it mattered most.

But it must also be nice to know the zebras will always give your guys the benefit of the doubt on any close call.
Eric Maynor is the worst basketball player I've ever seen.
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,528
And1: 10,296
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#88 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Apr 7, 2015 11:59 pm

80sballboy wrote:In some ways, Wisconsin wet the bed. But at the end, you have to give credit to Tyus Jones, Allen and Coach K for making Wisconsin play their pace. Ultimately, they got tired and I think the Kentucky game caught up with them, while Duke had a much easier semifinal. Ryan is a very good coach but Coach K is in a different stratosphere. He found a way to get even at the half without Okafor and won with his best player being fresh at the end because he sat him due to foul trouble. Wisconsin never took advantage of posting up Dekker and Kaminsky enough when Okafor and Winslow was out. Dekker's rainbow three-point shots couldn't even catch rim in this game. A lot of people were saying how great this kid was going to be because he had five great games, despite having an average regular season. The average Dekker showed up in the championship game.

I thought this was a toss-up game but Coach K and those quicker guards were the difference. I think if Traevon Jackson was healthy and in better shape, they may win the game. Koenig is more of a combo guard. Gasser is pesky but small. They never even played Showalter for some reason. He could have been their Grayson Allen. Oh well. Don't like Duke but respect them.


Yeah, the day after I'm thinking they needed to run their guards right after Allen at the other end of the court. Make him defend and work. Their guards were way too deliberate.

Wisconsin got too predictable. They posted Frank too many times or tried to back guys down too often. I think putting Kaminsky in the mid post and having Dekker cut from the same side as Frank toward the basket that would have created some layups.

Duke was quicker but Wisconsin made it easier by going iso and pounding the ball down low. Bo Ryan complained about the grabbing and physicality of Duke, but if Wisconsin had made quicker moves to the basket and been more aggressive they might have got more trips to the line.

As it was, they let Grayson Allen go off and they didn't answer back, accept for one Hayes 3 point shot.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,528
And1: 10,296
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#89 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Apr 8, 2015 12:00 am

Higga wrote:A shame Kentucky gagged vs. Wisconsin because they would have pounded Duke.

Hate the Blue Devils but have to give them props I guess. They were consistently great all year and stepped up when it mattered most.

But it must also be nice to know the zebras will always give your guys the benefit of the doubt on any close call.


Give Duke credit but I think even this year's Maryland was very capable of beating Duke.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.
User avatar
stevemcqueen1
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,588
And1: 1,137
Joined: Jan 25, 2013
     

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#90 » by stevemcqueen1 » Wed Apr 8, 2015 12:53 am

No way Kaminsky makes it to our pick after this tourney.
User avatar
Sluggerface
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,465
And1: 510
Joined: Oct 11, 2013

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#91 » by Sluggerface » Wed Apr 8, 2015 1:26 am

stevemcqueen1 wrote:No way Kaminsky makes it to our pick after this tourney.


Agreed. First player since Carmelo Anthony (one of the greatest NCAA players of all time) to go 20/10 in both semi-final/final games, and he did it against the best defensive frontline(with the best defensive big, and probably now #1 overall pick in Towns) in the nation. Duke was playing elite defense in the tournament as well.
User avatar
Chocolate City Jordanaire
RealGM
Posts: 54,528
And1: 10,296
Joined: Aug 05, 2001
       

Re: March Madness Discussion 

Post#92 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Apr 8, 2015 1:44 am

Coach K compared Kaminsky to Laettner.

Valid comparison, but I think Kaminsky will have an even more successful NBA career. No way is Kaminsky a stiff. He's a little better on the low block than Laettner, and his handles are every bit as good. Laettner might have been quicker initially but Frank's patient and plays angles really, really well.
Tre Johnson is the future of the Wizards.

Return to Washington Wizards