Tyus Jones

XtotheDeezy · Post #81 » by **XtotheDeezy** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:14 am

His stock just skyrocketed after this game and I think he will go mid to late first. He also has that mischievous, but lovable look that's easy to market.

Post #82 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:59 am

PG is so saturated in the nba, that he could slip a while...I think he is more Napier than what people may think he is. He had one assist..think more of Chalmers or Napier than a solid pg to run a team. Awesome college player...questionable nba player....maybe a Jason Terry type.

Post #83 » by **Marcus** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 6:05 am

Been saying it all year he's got that in him. lots of big plays when they've needed it. wasn't feeling that layup attempt on that breakaway though lol.

I still want him to go last first round to the Spurs.

Notanoob · Post #84 » by **Notanoob** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 6:36 am

Notanoob wrote:Comparing him to Trey Burke, just on stats, you can see the similarities.
Per40 pace adjusted
Burke: 1.9 steals, .6 blocks, .6 offensive rebounds, 3.1 defensive rebounds
Jones: 1.8 steals, .1 blocks, .6 offensive rebounds, 3.5 defensive rebounds
Burke comes out ahead here due to his big advantage in blocks and marginally better steal rate. The first three stats are typically indicators of a player's athleticism, and both of these guys are a bit lacking obviously.

Then looking at percentages and stuff:
Burke: 50.3 2P%, 38.3 3P%, 3.11A/TO, .459FTA/2PA, 64.5 FG% at rim, 45.5 FG% on 2P not at rim
Jones: 44 2P%, 37.4 3P%, 2.78A.TO, .816FTA/2PA, 55.8 FG% at rim, 35.4 FG% on 2P not at rim
Burke is far ahead of Jones here in everything except FTA/2PA, and roughly equal in 3P%. Jones' finishing is pretty bad. Given how much Burke has struggled that's bad news for Jones.

Jones' better FTA/2PA can be explained by their shot distribution. Looking at hoop-math.com, Burke took a tiny 19% of his shots at the rim, and 45% of his shots were non-rim 2s. Shots near the rim are much more likely to draw fouls than non-rim looks, and it's already clear the Burke was relying on his jumper in college. Jones on the other hand takes 24.8% of his shot at the rim while just 36.3% of his shots are 2 pointers not at the rim. When he goes inside the ark, Jones makes it all the way to the rim more often, so he's drawing fouls a lot better.

Jones' TS% was just one point higher than Burke's at 58% despite shooting worse across the board- this is because he relied so heavily on 3s and drew so many fouls. However, Burke also carried a significantly higher scoring load compared to Jones, being his team's #1 option, while Jones is just 4th on his team in terms of FGA.

At Utah, Burke has sort of moved off ball into the SG role, basically giving up on trying to score at the rim and just shooting jumpers. His ability to be a floor-general hasn't translated because he's such a weak threat as a slasher. Of course, looking back it's obvious that getting to the rim wasn't a huge part of Burke's game in the first place so it's no wonder he abandoned it quickly, but at least he packed a solid mid-rage game. Slashing is a fairly small part of Jones' game too, and that certainly has something to do with giving room for Okafor to operate, but it has to be a concern for him in the NBA. Plus he hasn't shown much of a mid-range game at all to back it up.

Just gonna quote myself since I ended up at the bottom of the last page lol.

ColdBlooded · Post #85 » by **ColdBlooded** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 6:59 am

^ Thats good stuff.

No-Man · Post #86 » by **No-Man** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 8:44 am

He is a lotto pick and has always been.

DickGrayson · Post #87 » by **DickGrayson** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 8:47 am

Fischella wrote:He is a lotto pick and has always been.

better will be a better NBA pro than Towns and WCS right?

No-Man · Post #88 » by **No-Man** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 8:49 am

DickGrayson wrote:
Fischella wrote:He is a lotto pick and has always been.

better will be a better NBA pro than Towns and WCS right?

Never said that he will be a better pro than Towns or had him higher than him.
Absolutely better than Willie, no doubt.

Post #89 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:19 pm

If this guy goes in the lottery, that team will regret it. Probably more like 20 or below.

Shock Defeat · Post #90 » by **Shock Defeat** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:21 pm

How is his defense?

57special · Post #91 » by **57special** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:30 pm

Ruzious wrote:See Stockton, John.

Have you ever seen clips of Stockton when he was young? He was very fast, and extremely maneuverable.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #92 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:38 pm

I think his upside is entirely tied to his shooting ability. Tyus Jones posted a 57.5% TS% as a freshman PG, and despite his diminutive stature, got to the line 4.2 FTA/g, and shot them at a 89% clip. If anything can be gleaned from these numbers, is that the potential is there for him to be a very good shooter.

He has every else you'd want from a PG - tremendous feel for the game, ability to make plays, can score, good in the P'n'R, leadership ability, feisty defender. If he was a bit taller, you'd be looking at a top 10 pick imo.

nickforthreee · Post #93 » by **nickforthreee** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:40 pm

Fischella wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:
Fischella wrote:He is a lotto pick and has always been.

better will be a better NBA pro than Towns and WCS right?

Never said that he will be a better pro than Towns or had him higher than him.
Absolutely better than Willie, no doubt.

I'm suprised you are so high on him because I think you were low on tyler Ennis last year & they are similar players imo

57special · Post #94 » by **57special** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 4:54 pm

Agree with much that has been said about him, both good and bad. Have watched him here in MN. For years. Maybe a better athlete than you guys are giving him credit for. Was a terrific basbeall player also. Terrific attitude and smarts.

On the athletic/non athletic front. It could be that he just hasn't matured physically as quickly as some others. Some kids are mature at 15, others it takes till the early 20's. Some never get there at all... Which one is Tyus?

He sure seems to be a poster child for another year in college. If he projects as a borderline lotto pick, then I think he should stay. With him and Allen in the backcourt, and K as coach, would it really be that bad? Give him time to grow into his body, and develop some man muscles. He is never going to be a big vertical leap type guy, but he can definitely get stronger and quicker, which would help him a lot playing D at the next level.

Post #95 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:11 pm

57special wrote:
Ruzious wrote:See Stockton, John.

Have you ever seen clips of Stockton when he was young? He was very fast, and extremely maneuverable.

LOL, did you watch last night's game? There's got to be a better term to use than "extremely maneuverable". I watched Stockton when he was young - and not because of the short pants.

Post #96 » by **Marcus** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:13 pm

57special wrote:He sure seems to be a poster child for another year in college.

i've been screaming for him to go back to school for his sophmore season all year so he could showcase more of his takeover ability. After last night though i dunno. Been clutch all-season. He essentially is what he is. Won a championship already. Much as i hate saying it, it might be time to go.

If not, he'll have shooters around him next year with Allen, Kennard, and Matt Jones, plus a different type of big in Chase Jeter than he had in Jah. Might open up more for him. What's left for him to do at this level though is the question.

Post #97 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:13 pm

57special wrote:Agree with much that has been said about him, both good and bad. Have watched him here in MN. For years. Maybe a better athlete than you guys are giving him credit for. Was a terrific basbeall player also. Terrific attitude and smarts.

On the athletic/non athletic front. It could be that he just hasn't matured physically as quickly as some others. Some kids are mature at 15, others it takes till the early 20's. Some never get there at all... Which one is Tyus?

He sure seems to be a poster child for another year in college. If he projects as a borderline lotto pick, then I think he should stay. With him and Allen in the backcourt, and K as coach, would it really be that bad? Give him time to grow into his body, and develop some man muscles. He is never going to be a big vertical leap type guy, but he can definitely get stronger and quicker, which would help him a lot playing D at the next level.

I would say the opposite. After earning MVP of the NCAA Championship Tournament, if people still don't believe in you, there's nothing you can do - and it's pretty hard to go up from there.

Post #98 » by **Marcus** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:17 pm

BBall Loyalty wrote:How is his defense?

quick hands, gets steals, though reaches more than he should. stood a little high and got beat a lot early in the year. as the year went on he got lower and moved better. His size may be a problem in terms of fighting through picks and riding the hip or stronger guards when they drive. He competes on the switch if he ends up on the block with a big. I won't say a complete liability on that end. He is gonna have his problems though.

57special · Post #99 » by **57special** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:28 pm

Ruzious wrote:
57special wrote:
Ruzious wrote:See Stockton, John.

Have you ever seen clips of Stockton when he was young? He was very fast, and extremely maneuverable.

LOL, did you watch last night's game? There's got to be a better term to use than "extremely maneuverable". I watched Stockton when he was young - and not because of the short pants.

I think I might've misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that Jones lack of athleticism(debatable) was similar to Stockton's when he was young. My point was that Stockton always had elite quickness. Jones not so much.

I love both of those players, though. Jones has those intangibles that the great ones have. He has always had it.

His brother (pg also) just guided his HS team to a state Championship as a freshman... Similar player. Doughy looking, but has a knack for making the right play at the right time.

Post #100 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Apr 7, 2015 5:33 pm

57special wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
57special wrote:
Have you ever seen clips of Stockton when he was young? He was very fast, and extremely maneuverable.

LOL, did you watch last night's game? There's got to be a better term to use than "extremely maneuverable". I watched Stockton when he was young - and not because of the short pants.

I think I might've misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that Jones lack of athleticism(debatable) was similar to Stockton's when he was young. My point was that Stockton always had elite quickness. Jones not so much.

I love both of those players, though. Jones has those intangibles that the great ones have. He has always had it.

His brother (pg also) just guided his HS team to a state Championship as a freshman... Similar player. Doughy looking, but has a knack for making the right play at the right time.

Jones has a great first step and very good quickness. Any perceived lack of physical ability in him does not prevent him from being a great point guard.