FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[FemaleDogPlease]

Overpaying for Danny Green. Gary Neal ring a bell.

[newyorker4ever]

This would actually be a pretty good bench.


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[Bklyn&company]

I just hope.. Melo is talking to Phil and Steve Mills everyday about trading or stretching Jose "ezpass" Calderon (dudes defense was so so bad).

Once this happens, then we can talk to FA.

[mpharris36]

Overpaying for Danny Green. Gary Neal ring a bell.

you are comparing a 6'4 SG that all he could do was shoot. To a 6'6 SG who shoots just as well and is one of the best defensive players at his position?

when was Gary Neal a plus defender?

[mojosodope]

Players to avoid in free agency...

Stat stuffers who don't help teams win

After Enes Kanter trashed the Utah Jazz organization and Salt Lake City prior to last weekend's return to Utah, he put up 18 points and 11 rebounds in a game the Jazz won by five points.

Following the game, Utah forward Trevor Booker threw a skyscraper's worth of shade his former teammate's direction in a postgame radio interview. "He got his stats and he got the L, as always," Booker said.

Booker's quote might as well by the slogan for the RPM Mirage team. As opposed to the recent RPM All-Stars, who shine through the prism of ESPN's real plus-minus because of the impact they have that can't be measured in the box score, the RPM Mirages put up big numbers but don't help their team win.Kanter is a prime example ... but he's not the only one.

Starters

Brandon Knight
PG
Phoenix Suns
-2.6 RPM

As the team's leading scorer, Knight got credit for the Milwaukee Bucks' unexpected emergence as a playoff team, making a push for an All-Star spot. Plus-minus data tells a different story. Even with Milwaukee slipping after trading Knight, the Bucks have still been better without him on the court, per NBA.com/Stats.

There's an interesting overlap between Knight and RPM All-Star Khris Middleton. When Knight played with Middleton, Milwaukee was plus-7.5 points per 100 possessions. When Knight played without Middleton, the Bucks were outscored by a ghastly 9.0 points per 100 possessions. Hence the difference in their RPM ratings.

Kobe Bryant
SG
Los Angeles Lakers
-2.7 RPM

Before succumbing to shoulder surgery, Bryant was still putting up 22.3 points per game. However, his inefficient scoring (Bryant's .477 true shooting percentage was far and away the worst of his career, and also the lowest among players who have averaged at least 20 points per 36 minutes this season) meant Bryant was something of a drain on the Lakers' offense, which scored 1.2 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the floor. The Lakers have basically the same record without Bryant (10-29) as they did with him in the lineup (10-25).

Jeff Green
SF
Memphis Grizzlies
-4.6 RPM

When the Grizzlies won 11 of their first 12 games with Green in the lineup, his midseason addition got most of the credit. But plus-minus data showed the Memphis bench was actually driving the surge, and when the team struggled after the All-Star break, Green was replaced by Tony Allen. The other four Grizzlies starters have outscored opponents by 7.4 points per 100 possessions with Allen, but they're minus-3.8 points per 100 possessions with Green.

Enes Kanter
PF
Oklahoma City Thunder
-3.4 RPM

As Booker alluded to, Kanter has been getting his in Oklahoma City, averaging 17.9 points and 11.0 rebounds per game. Per Basketball-Reference.com, only three players have averaged more points and rebounds this season. Unfortunately, opponents are getting theirs too. With Kanter on the floor, the Thunder are allowing 109.7 points per 100 possessions, which would be worst in the NBA over the course of the season. As a result, Oklahoma City has been slightly outscored when Kanter plays.

Andrea Bargnani
C
New York Knicks
-4.3 RPM

Since getting past injuries, Bargnani has quietly averaged a healthy 14.9 points per game, good for 66th in the NBA. Yet the Knicks are getting crushed by 18.1 points per 100 possessions with Bargnani on the court, worst in the NBA among players with at least 500 minutes played. Even limiting the comparison to post-All-Star break (and Carmelo Anthony's season-ending knee surgery), New York is somehow surrendering 14.5 more points per 100 possessions defensively when Bargnani plays.
Reserves

Michael Carter-Williams
PG
Milwaukee Bucks
-2.9 RPM

Lest Bucks fans get too excited about dealing away Knight at the deadline, the point guard they got in return ranks just behind Knight in RPM. As Bradford Doolittle noted in Thursday's Insider Daily, Carter-Williams isn't really to blame for Milwaukee's post-deadline swoon. At the same time, the 76ers haven't really missed their starting point guard, playing slightly better without Carter-Williams this season. Philadelphia's fast pace helped inflate Carter-Williams' per-game averages, making him look like a better prospect than his team impact would indicate.

Arron Afflalo
SG
Portland Trail Blazers
-3.0 RPM

Afflalo has historically scored worse by RPM than box score advanced stats because of his poor defensive impact. Lo and behold, the Blazers' other four starters with Afflalo have scored as well as with Wesley Matthews in the starting lineup, but Portland is allowing 13.5 more points per 100 possessions on defense. Afflalo isn't that bad on defense, but he also isn't the 3-and-D player his reputation would suggest.

Tobias Harris
SF
Orlando Magic
-2.4 RPM

Harris' 17.0 points and 6.1 rebounds per game look strong for a 22-year-old headed to restricted free agency. RPM tells a different story, again largely because of the defensive end. Orlando has allowed 4.2 more points per 100 possessions with Harris on the floor.

J.J. Hickson
PF
Denver Nuggets
-5.2 RPM

A perennial RPM lagger, Hickson rates average or better by box score stats (he's got a career 16.1 PER, though he's slipped to 14.5 this season after suffering a torn ACL) and as one of the league's worst players in terms of RPM because he doesn't protect the rim or box out (he ranks among the bottom 20 power forwards by boxing out 8.9 percent of the time, per Vantage Sports). This season, Denver has been 6.4 points per 100 possessions worse with Hickson on the court.

Jordan Hill
C
L.A. Lakers
-3.9 RPM

In his first season as a full-time starter, Hill has averaged 12.3 points and 8.2 rebounds per game. Alas, the Lakers have been outscored by 10.0 points per 100 possessions with Hill on the floor. And when both Hill and Bryant took the court, they were a ghastly minus-15.0 points per 100 possessions, worst of any L.A. duo with at least 500 minutes together. In fairness, Hill is miscast as a rim protector, but that's part of the problem -- he doesn't stretch the floor either, making him a tough fit at either frontcourt spot.

What a flawed stat...These guys play on BAD teams, with BAD lineups and often BAD coaching...it's difficult to have a "Good" RPM

[bballoctober]

If I'm any free agent, this summer I'm signing a two year deal with a player option to opt out next year to cash in on that cap increase.

[And100]

What a flawed stat...These guys play on BAD teams, with BAD lineups and often BAD coaching...it's difficult to have a "Good" RPM

You misunderstand the stat. This is measuring their impact vs the team's other BAD players and BAD line-ups.

In Bargani's case he plays with a glorified D-League team, but THAT glorified D-League plays much better defense when Bargnani isn't on the floor.

That is not statistical noise. It means something.

[mojosodope]

What a flawed stat...These guys play on BAD teams, with BAD lineups and often BAD coaching...it's difficult to have a "Good" RPM

You misunderstand the stat. This is measuring their impact vs the team's other BAD players and BAD line-ups.

In Bargani's case he plays with a glorified D-League team, but THAT glorified D-League plays much better defense when Bargnani isn't on the floor.

That is not statistical noise. It means something.

I get that, and it may work for Bargnani because he's a center, but like for Harris, who starts alongside a non rim protecting center on a bad team with a terrible bench and terrible substitutions. I don't understand how you can determine a true +/-

[Fat Kat]

Players to avoid in free agency...

Stat stuffers who don't help teams win

After Enes Kanter trashed the Utah Jazz organization and Salt Lake City prior to last weekend's return to Utah, he put up 18 points and 11 rebounds in a game the Jazz won by five points.

Following the game, Utah forward Trevor Booker threw a skyscraper's worth of shade his former teammate's direction in a postgame radio interview. "He got his stats and he got the L, as always," Booker said.

Booker's quote might as well by the slogan for the RPM Mirage team. As opposed to the recent RPM All-Stars, who shine through the prism of ESPN's real plus-minus because of the impact they have that can't be measured in the box score, the RPM Mirages put up big numbers but don't help their team win.Kanter is a prime example ... but he's not the only one.

Starters

Brandon Knight
PG
Phoenix Suns
-2.6 RPM

As the team's leading scorer, Knight got credit for the Milwaukee Bucks' unexpected emergence as a playoff team, making a push for an All-Star spot. Plus-minus data tells a different story. Even with Milwaukee slipping after trading Knight, the Bucks have still been better without him on the court, per NBA.com/Stats.

There's an interesting overlap between Knight and RPM All-Star Khris Middleton. When Knight played with Middleton, Milwaukee was plus-7.5 points per 100 possessions. When Knight played without Middleton, the Bucks were outscored by a ghastly 9.0 points per 100 possessions. Hence the difference in their RPM ratings.

Kobe Bryant
SG
Los Angeles Lakers
-2.7 RPM

Before succumbing to shoulder surgery, Bryant was still putting up 22.3 points per game. However, his inefficient scoring (Bryant's .477 true shooting percentage was far and away the worst of his career, and also the lowest among players who have averaged at least 20 points per 36 minutes this season) meant Bryant was something of a drain on the Lakers' offense, which scored 1.2 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the floor. The Lakers have basically the same record without Bryant (10-29) as they did with him in the lineup (10-25).

Jeff Green
SF
Memphis Grizzlies
-4.6 RPM

When the Grizzlies won 11 of their first 12 games with Green in the lineup, his midseason addition got most of the credit. But plus-minus data showed the Memphis bench was actually driving the surge, and when the team struggled after the All-Star break, Green was replaced by Tony Allen. The other four Grizzlies starters have outscored opponents by 7.4 points per 100 possessions with Allen, but they're minus-3.8 points per 100 possessions with Green.

Enes Kanter
PF
Oklahoma City Thunder
-3.4 RPM

As Booker alluded to, Kanter has been getting his in Oklahoma City, averaging 17.9 points and 11.0 rebounds per game. Per Basketball-Reference.com, only three players have averaged more points and rebounds this season. Unfortunately, opponents are getting theirs too. With Kanter on the floor, the Thunder are allowing 109.7 points per 100 possessions, which would be worst in the NBA over the course of the season. As a result, Oklahoma City has been slightly outscored when Kanter plays.

Andrea Bargnani
C
New York Knicks
-4.3 RPM

Since getting past injuries, Bargnani has quietly averaged a healthy 14.9 points per game, good for 66th in the NBA. Yet the Knicks are getting crushed by 18.1 points per 100 possessions with Bargnani on the court, worst in the NBA among players with at least 500 minutes played. Even limiting the comparison to post-All-Star break (and Carmelo Anthony's season-ending knee surgery), New York is somehow surrendering 14.5 more points per 100 possessions defensively when Bargnani plays.
Reserves

Michael Carter-Williams
PG
Milwaukee Bucks
-2.9 RPM

Lest Bucks fans get too excited about dealing away Knight at the deadline, the point guard they got in return ranks just behind Knight in RPM. As Bradford Doolittle noted in Thursday's Insider Daily, Carter-Williams isn't really to blame for Milwaukee's post-deadline swoon. At the same time, the 76ers haven't really missed their starting point guard, playing slightly better without Carter-Williams this season. Philadelphia's fast pace helped inflate Carter-Williams' per-game averages, making him look like a better prospect than his team impact would indicate.

Arron Afflalo
SG
Portland Trail Blazers
-3.0 RPM

Afflalo has historically scored worse by RPM than box score advanced stats because of his poor defensive impact. Lo and behold, the Blazers' other four starters with Afflalo have scored as well as with Wesley Matthews in the starting lineup, but Portland is allowing 13.5 more points per 100 possessions on defense. Afflalo isn't that bad on defense, but he also isn't the 3-and-D player his reputation would suggest.

Tobias Harris
SF
Orlando Magic
-2.4 RPM

Harris' 17.0 points and 6.1 rebounds per game look strong for a 22-year-old headed to restricted free agency. RPM tells a different story, again largely because of the defensive end. Orlando has allowed 4.2 more points per 100 possessions with Harris on the floor.

J.J. Hickson
PF
Denver Nuggets
-5.2 RPM

A perennial RPM lagger, Hickson rates average or better by box score stats (he's got a career 16.1 PER, though he's slipped to 14.5 this season after suffering a torn ACL) and as one of the league's worst players in terms of RPM because he doesn't protect the rim or box out (he ranks among the bottom 20 power forwards by boxing out 8.9 percent of the time, per Vantage Sports). This season, Denver has been 6.4 points per 100 possessions worse with Hickson on the court.

Jordan Hill
C
L.A. Lakers
-3.9 RPM

In his first season as a full-time starter, Hill has averaged 12.3 points and 8.2 rebounds per game. Alas, the Lakers have been outscored by 10.0 points per 100 possessions with Hill on the floor. And when both Hill and Bryant took the court, they were a ghastly minus-15.0 points per 100 possessions, worst of any L.A. duo with at least 500 minutes together. In fairness, Hill is miscast as a rim protector, but that's part of the problem -- he doesn't stretch the floor either, making him a tough fit at either frontcourt spot.

Good stuff. Thanks for posting

[And100]

What a flawed stat...These guys play on BAD teams, with BAD lineups and often BAD coaching...it's difficult to have a "Good" RPM

You misunderstand the stat. This is measuring their impact vs the team's other BAD players and BAD line-ups.

In Bargani's case he plays with a glorified D-League team, but THAT glorified D-League plays much better defense when Bargnani isn't on the floor.

That is not statistical noise. It means something.

I get that, and it may work for Bargnani because he's a center, but like for Harris, who starts alongside a non rim protecting center on a bad team with a terrible bench and terrible substitutions. I don't understand how you can determine a true +/-

I kinda get why people struggle with this stat, but I think a lot of it comes with a desire to want to discredit it and it's a little hard to grasp.

This is how ESPN defines it. "RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors."

You can't make the argument it doesn't account for his teammates or coach, it does. Because when he is on or off the floor, the coach is the same and the other 14 players are the same.

Its basically saying this is who a team does when this ONE player is on the floor and this is how the same team (with the same coach) does when the player is off the floor.

Look at Affalo for example. He plays the same position on the same deal as Wesley Matthews, but they have demonstratively different effects on their team. Portland is a much better team when Matthews played then when he was on the bench and Affalo is the exact opposite. He has a negative impact when he's on the floor as opposed to the bench.

+/- is one of the most misunderstood, valuable stats that exists.

[mojosodope]

You misunderstand the stat. This is measuring their impact vs the team's other BAD players and BAD line-ups.

In Bargani's case he plays with a glorified D-League team, but THAT glorified D-League plays much better defense when Bargnani isn't on the floor.

That is not statistical noise. It means something.

I get that, and it may work for Bargnani because he's a center, but like for Harris, who starts alongside a non rim protecting center on a bad team with a terrible bench and terrible substitutions. I don't understand how you can determine a true +/-

I kinda get why people struggle with this stat, but I think a lot of it comes with a desire to want to discredit it and it's a little hard to grasp.

This is how ESPN defines it. "RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors."

You can't make the argument it doesn't account for his teammates or coach, it does. Because when he is on or off the floor, the coach is the same and the other 14 players are the same.

Its basically saying this is who a team does when this ONE player is on the floor and this is how the same team (with the same coach) does when the player is off the floor.

Look at Affalo for example. He plays the same position on the same deal as Wesley Matthews, but they have demonstratively different effects on their team. Portland is a much better team when Matthews played then when he was on the bench and Affalo is the exact opposite. He has a negative impact when he's on the floor as opposed to the bench.

+/- is one of the most misunderstood, valuable stats that exists.

I just think it impacts different players in different ways. I get that it accounts for everything you've mentioned

Lets look at orlando again. Elfrid Payton has the highest RPM of 1.45, most likely because their offense doesn't exist without him. Dwayne Dedmon is 2nd with a RPM of 0.30 because they play a NON rim protecting center in Vucevic. By the time we get to Harris everyone else on the team has a negative RPM.

I'm saying the stat is flawed because other teams score more than the magic, knicks, sixers period. Creating a list like this and singling out players on teams significantly below .500 is pointless because the teams are so poor

[Bklyn&company]

If I'm any free agent, this summer I'm signing a two year deal with a player option to opt out next year to cash in on that cap increase.

Agree and correct... most will do this, even the big names.... which IMO is great for the knicks because I believe most teams wont resign their own FA for only one or two, they will be very hesitate..

[ORANGEandBLUE]

- Draft Okafor
- Trade conditional 2nd rounder for Lance Stephenson (short cheap deal, fills a need and high upside)
- Spend remaining cap space on Beverly, Ed Davis, and Darrell Arthur

Beverly/Calderon
Lance/Galloway
Melo/THJ
Davis/Arthur
Okafor/Cole

[Besart19]

Okafor
A.Davis
Melo
Butler
Conley

[brooklynoxy]

- Draft Okafor
- Trade conditional 2nd rounder for Lance Stephenson (short cheap deal, fills a need and high upside)
- Spend remaining cap space on Beverly, Ed Davis, and Darrell Arthur

Beverly/Calderon
Lance/Galloway
Melo/THJ
Davis/Arthur
Okafor/Cole

My friend, I see where you are going with this, yet help me out with some of the moves which may sound good but seem to defy the direction in which the Knicks seem to want to go in:

-Tobias Harris seems to be on New York's radar and the Knicks are on his, almost to the point that if this were July 1, 2015, I think he would be signed, sealed, and delivered to NY. By all accounts, Harris wants to be part of what Phil and Fish are doing, feels somewhat "thwarted" by the Orlando system, wants to play in the Mecca, is a close friend of Carmelo's and Harris is about as perfect a complimentary piece to the Knick's new line-up next season and for seasons to com—averaging 18 PPG on 48%. 8 RPG. Harris is only 22 years old and is, in my opinion, tailor made for New York.

-I may be in the minority here, but the Knicks may have caught lightening in a bottle in their backcourt. I'll include Langston Gallaway for next season, but I am handing over the keys to Phil's car to our pair of 6'7 guards who I think may be something special, not to mention. may be the ticket for Jose Calderon's train out of New York! You never know, but Shved as well as Ledo, may just be what the doctor ordered! No matter what, Shane Larkin has also shown incredible speed, defensive prowess, and those 11 assists didn't get lost on me.

if the New York Knicks want to maximize spending this summer as well as 2016's summer, I understand that there are many ways to skin that cat, LOL. Yet we need to look at our new centers, especially if Jackson selects Okafor. There is no way that I am questioning this kid's post moves or ability to score, but I must admit that whenever I think of this kid, I think about his FT%, his reportedly lackadaisical defensive efforts, and of most concern, his physical conditioning.

On the other hand, I've also heard that Jahlil is a franchise changer and when I look at these Knicks, no other squad in my life-time has needed rebuilding as this New York team needs,,,,

[knicks lurker]

is there any way we can swing a trade for anthony davis.
him + melo and some of the role players from this season is pretty much a playoff team

alternatively okafor or towns will probably provide a similar impact on our team, so we should probably just ride this one out

[iLovethosedamnknicks]

is there any way we can swing a trade for anthony davis.
him + melo and some of the role players from this season is pretty much a playoff team

alternatively okafor or towns will probably provide a similar impact on our team, so we should probably just ride this one out

No shot


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[ORANGEandBLUE]

- Draft Okafor
- Trade conditional 2nd rounder for Lance Stephenson (short cheap deal, fills a need and high upside)
- Spend remaining cap space on Beverly, Ed Davis, and Darrell Arthur

Beverly/Calderon
Lance/Galloway
Melo/THJ
Davis/Arthur
Okafor/Cole

My friend, I see where you are going with this, yet help me out with some of the moves which may sound good but seem to defy the direction in which the Knicks seem to want to go in:

-Tobias Harris seems to be on New York's radar and the Knicks are on his, almost to the point that if this were July 1, 2015, I think he would be signed, sealed, and delivered to NY. By all accounts, Harris wants to be part of what Phil and Fish are doing, feels somewhat "thwarted" by the Orlando system, wants to play in the Mecca, is a close friend of Carmelo's and Harris is about as perfect a complimentary piece to the Knick's new line-up next season and for seasons to com—averaging 18 PPG on 48%. 8 RPG. Harris is only 22 years old and is, in my opinion, tailor made for New York.

-I may be in the minority here, but the Knicks may have caught lightening in a bottle in their backcourt. I'll include Langston Gallaway for next season, but I am handing over the keys to Phil's car to our pair of 6'7 guards who I think may be something special, not to mention. may be the ticket for Jose Calderon's train out of New York! You never know, but Shved as well as Ledo, may just be what the doctor ordered! No matter what, Shane Larkin has also shown incredible speed, defensive prowess, and those 11 assists didn't get lost on me.

if the New York Knicks want to maximize spending this summer as well as 2016's summer, I understand that there are many ways to skin that cat, LOL. Yet we need to look at our new centers, especially if Jackson selects Okafor. There is no way that I am questioning this kid's post moves or ability to score, but I must admit that whenever I think of this kid, I think about his FT%, his reportedly lackadaisical defensive efforts, and of most concern, his physical conditioning.

On the other hand, I've also heard that Jahlil is a franchise changer and when I look at these Knicks, no other squad in my life-time has needed rebuilding as this New York team needs,,,,

How does Tobias compliment Melo? He is the same size, position, and has the same strengths and weaknesses. And the fact that he is friends with Melo is 18 billion % irrelevant.

[BowlRips]

- Draft Okafor
- Trade conditional 2nd rounder for Lance Stephenson (short cheap deal, fills a need and high upside)
- Spend remaining cap space on Beverly, Ed Davis, and Darrell Arthur

Beverly/Calderon
Lance/Galloway
Melo/THJ
Davis/Arthur
Okafor/Cole

Im all for trading for Lance. Charlotte wants him gone.
They would need to take Calderon for him; no if ands or butts.

If we are drafting Okafor in your scenario, we swing a trade for Taj Gibson. Tim Hardaway for Taj is interesting as bulls save a ton of money and add a shooter off the bench. Tim would excel with Bulls cause Tibs would force him to play d.

Sign Jeremy Lin to be backup guard for $4mil a year.
Give Tobias Harris $10mil a year
Alex Ajinca $4mil a year
Sign Corey Joseph with MMLE for 2.5 mil


Solid 9 man rotation of

Okafor / Ajinca
Gibson / Harris
Melo / Harris
Lance / Lin
Galloway / Joseph

not a bad team at all. pretty deep and can mesh well. could definitely use another shooter. all fits under the cap

[newyorker4ever]

This is a good little read on some soon to be free agents.


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