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Post#21 » by KF10 » Wed Apr 8, 2015 7:37 pm

I wonder if we are going to look into the Europeans more in the draft.

Porzingis & Hezonja are the standout Europeans in this draft.
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Post#22 » by City of Trees » Wed Apr 8, 2015 8:01 pm

KF10 wrote:I wonder if we are going to look into the Europeans more in the draft.

Porzingis & Hezonja are the standout Europeans in this draft.
I like Hezonja. I guess with Vlade in charge its a greater possibility.
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Post#23 » by teerfour+40LG » Wed Apr 8, 2015 9:06 pm

Q: So, if Vivek wants to replace Pete, why did he let Pete fire Mike Malone?
A: It was Vivek's decision to fire Mike Malone.

That's not good.
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Post#24 » by City of Trees » Wed Apr 8, 2015 9:40 pm

teerfour+40LG wrote:Q: So, if Vivek wants to replace Pete, why did he let Pete fire Mike Malone?
A: It was Vivek's decision to fire Mike Malone.

That's not good.
Or Vivek blames Pete for this disaster because Pete fired Malone, now Vivek is going to axe Pete.
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Post#25 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Apr 8, 2015 9:47 pm

KF10 wrote:I wonder if we are going to look into the Europeans more in the draft.

Porzingis & Hezonja are the standout Europeans in this draft.


I'm not sure how much the scouts opinions will weight but in a pregame interview a few games back Vlade was very clear that they are looking to get someone that will help right away. He basically said they can't wait so I wouldn't expect any raw rookies if his words meant anything.
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Post#26 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Apr 8, 2015 9:48 pm

PaKwAn wrote:im not a fan of mullins and pete, but part of this problem/mess has been viveks fault as well...



Yeah, he trusted the wrong people. He hired the wrong people. More than a few of us cringed when Mullin first came into the picture. What has happened since is the reason why. :lol:
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Post#27 » by No-Man » Wed Apr 8, 2015 10:04 pm

Mullin, D'Alessandro and cia were god awful, the thing is, Vivek is too and he is still there, hopefully Vlade has enough character to make decisions and keep VR out of that part.
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Post#28 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Apr 8, 2015 10:10 pm

Fischella wrote:Mullin, D'Alessandro and cia were god awful, the thing is, Vivek is too and he is still there, hopefully Vlade has enough character to make decisions and keep VR out of that part.


We'll see what happens now, but when Malone was fired and the bits and blurbs started to come out I started to realize that Vivek is almost a victim in all of this. He doesn't know a whole lot about this whole thing and he put way too much power into the tight circle he formed with Mullin and Pete. I guess nobody was around to read off Chris Mullins GM resume to Vivek. :lol:
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Post#29 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Apr 8, 2015 10:18 pm

teerfour+40LG wrote:Q: So, if Vivek wants to replace Pete, why did he let Pete fire Mike Malone?
A: It was Vivek's decision to fire Mike Malone.

That's not good.



No, I don't think it was at all. There were reports that Malone and Pete hadn't talked in months. If Pete and Malone were tight, that wouldn't have happened. Simply put, coach was hired first, GM was hired second. This is why you don't do that. Malone it turns out is known to be a bit of a hard head, and apparently has been known to have some anger issues. Pete felt threatened because Malone was getting the credit which he should have because that teams was and still is in many ways a mess, and he had to take out his enemy and was in that tight circle with Mully and Vivek. He had the cards and when the opportunity to have even a minimal excuse to fire Malone was about to pass (Cousins was going to return) he convinced his owner to pull the trigger.

Personally, I'm thinking Mullin was more the bad guy than Pete though. Sorry, I just never liked Mullin. The only success he ever saw as a GM was when he begged Don Nelson for help. He was able to attach himself to Nellies nuts long enough to have a shred of credibility as a basketball "mind". Mullin might make a better coach though. Maybe his name will re-enter the Kings coaching picture down the line and who knows, he might be a great candidate, we'll see.

As for Pete, I'm not sure how much input he really had on moves and such, but I think it makes sense for him to stick in some capacity. He's known to have certain skills in a management role. He can deal with agents, he knows the cap, he just doesn't know talent or how to build a team apparently. He's never played, he doesn't appear to have any significant background other than assisting people that do know what they are doing. He was sitting next to Vlade and Vivek last night which I assume was a show of solidarity. Pete should be a part of the picture, but he shouldn't be running the show. We know Vlade as a player, and as a person I have no doubts he can make it work in the board room just like he did in the locker room. He can bring people together like no other.
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Post#30 » by Kings2013 » Wed Apr 8, 2015 10:47 pm

I wonder how much a potential fractured relationship with Cousins factored in. This stuff seemed to escalate after Cousins went public that a line was crossed
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Post#31 » by KF10 » Wed Apr 8, 2015 11:48 pm

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KF10 wrote:I wonder if we are going to look into the Europeans more in the draft.

Porzingis & Hezonja are the standout Europeans in this draft.
I like Hezonja. I guess with Vlade in charge its a greater possibility.


Hezonja's position is SG in the NBA, imo. We have 2 shooting guards in BMac & Sauce. What happens to them if we were to draft Hezonja? That in itself would be a problem.
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Post#32 » by KF10 » Wed Apr 8, 2015 11:51 pm

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KF10 wrote:I wonder if we are going to look into the Europeans more in the draft.

Porzingis & Hezonja are the standout Europeans in this draft.


I'm not sure how much the scouts opinions will weight but in a pregame interview a few games back Vlade was very clear that they are looking to get someone that will help right away. He basically said they can't wait so I wouldn't expect any raw rookies if his words meant anything.


Yeah, Vlade seems to have a clear vision of success for this team. I mean, this is a guy that has a wealth of experience with successful teams over his NBA career. He is a no nonsense guy when it comes to serious business, imo.

I wonder if they are going to draft with the pick or would offer the pick for immediate help (i.e. veteran)/plugging holes (fill need).
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Post#33 » by City of Trees » Thu Apr 9, 2015 12:17 am

KF10 wrote:
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KF10 wrote:I wonder if we are going to look into the Europeans more in the draft.

Porzingis & Hezonja are the standout Europeans in this draft.
I like Hezonja. I guess with Vlade in charge its a greater possibility.


Hezonja's position is SG in the NBA, imo. We have 2 shooting guards in BMac & Sauce. What happens to them if we were to draft Hezonja? That in itself would be a problem.
We would be the Detroit Lions of the NBA drafting WR every year looking like fools.
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Post#34 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu Apr 9, 2015 12:23 am

Kind of fitting that the franchise with the 'Game of Thrones' front office would be the Kings.. I think Vivek is coming from the right place, he's got to learn, too. Vivek-Vlade-Karl could be ok.. Time will tell.

And I want Hezonja in Boston, so be prepared for some trade offers.
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Post#35 » by enderwilson » Thu Apr 9, 2015 1:34 pm

andy582 wrote:Kind of fitting that the franchise with the 'Game of Thrones' front office would be the Kings.. I think Vivek is coming from the right place, he's got to learn, too. Vivek-Vlade-Karl could be ok.. Time will tell.

And I want Hezonja in Boston, so be prepared for some trade offers.


Love the "Game of Thrones" reference.

Despite all the current shenanigans, I still feel along these lines:
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/4/8/ ... ill-better

The Maloof's were like Cersei ruling from the Iron Throne in Book 4. :crazy:
(Yes. I admit. I'm a GoT fanboy.)
Seriously. There's no other direction but up after them. Unfortunately, bottom is a long way down and we still have a lot more climbing to do.
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Post#36 » by Kings2013 » Thu Apr 9, 2015 4:46 pm

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KF10 wrote:
City of Trees wrote:I like Hezonja. I guess with Vlade in charge its a greater possibility.


Hezonja's position is SG in the NBA, imo. We have 2 shooting guards in BMac & Sauce. What happens to them if we were to draft Hezonja? That in itself would be a problem.
We would be the Detroit Lions of the NBA drafting WR every year looking like fools.


And it's still one of the top two areas of concern in the starting 5 with two kids that have not convinced. I agree though, it would appear wierd to spend three mid tier lotto picks in a row on it
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Post#37 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Apr 9, 2015 9:42 pm

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City of Trees wrote:
KF10 wrote:
Hezonja's position is SG in the NBA, imo. We have 2 shooting guards in BMac & Sauce. What happens to them if we were to draft Hezonja? That in itself would be a problem.
We would be the Detroit Lions of the NBA drafting WR every year looking like fools.


And it's still one of the top two areas of concern in the starting 5 with two kids that have not convinced. I agree though, it would appear wierd to spend three mid tier lotto picks in a row on it



Drafting a SG is fine if they feel he's a better fit or upgrade. The issue is thinking you can keep all of them and make it work. Just like last year with both Nik and Ben. It hasn't worked, and it's unlikely to moving forward. Drafting top 10 picks and using them for depth purposes is a waste of resources.

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