GT: Hornets vs Toronto Wed April 8 7PM EST

[Liver_Pooty]

I really feel like we need to draft Oubre, trade for Lamb or Stauskas, and then bring in another shooting/scoring wing for 15 man depth like Jordan Hamilton all the while letting Taylor walk and trading away Hendo by selling him as a expiring. No more of this small SG nonsense. We've had Gordon, Neal, and now MoWill.

There you go, thats more like it. You putting Kemba down lately being sarcastic pissed off over your 12 hour ban is nauseating though. Take up for him. Have debates about it. Do it!

The name calling and that totally weird ass Celtic thread if what you you banned though. I could care less since it was hilarious to watch you guys go after each other.

Nah. I'm really thru with Kemba here. I like him but maybe it's time to move on if possible so that this Charlotte fanbase can get a PG they can rally behind. It's only right.

Kemba is the best PG this franchise circa 2003 has ever had. He has it in him, but his shot selection... Damn.

[catch20two]

Kemba is too small to attack the rim. Just the way it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCw_7IIjIY
48 second mark.

I don't buy "too small to attack the rim"

I do think that Kemba is never going to attack the rim, but that has more to do with his mental approach to the game. And of course I can't find it at the moment, but I remember reading a good article about different PG styles. Kemba isn't a rim attacker for sure, but there are plenty of other good PGs that aren't rim attackers too.

Dunlap had Kemba attacking the rim kinda effectively.

[Eoghan]

At this point I'm ready to trade the 9th pick to Phoenix for TJ Warren. We need an offguard that can shoot like Clifford needs #spacing.

I know you're being sarcastic, but you had to throw in that NC State connection in eh?

I'm watching him a bit with this PHX and Dallas game on. Dude just rolls out of bed scoring, plus he has great size. He can't play defense but that's what we have MKG, Zeller and Biz for. I'm only mildly being sarcastic.

I'm not getting into the "we need to upgrade Kemba" debate. We signed him to an extension and save for drafting the next Magic Johnson it will not move the needle more than a millimeter if we don't add a bona fide wing scorer and/or a post scorer to the mix.

[yosemiteben]

I'm not getting into the "we need to upgrade Kemba" debate. We signed him to an extension and save for drafting the next Magic Johnson it will not move the needle more than a millimeter if we don't add a bona fide wing scorer and/or a post scorer to the mix.

Agreed.

And I always liked Warren, I wasn't sure if he has the athleticism to be a primary contributor to a really good team, but he definitely can put the ball in the basket. He was by far the most likable State guy that year.

[Liver_Pooty]

Vonleh got semi big minutes tonight. And showed nothing but a 3 pointer.

Hopefully he gets big minutes from here on out. Hardly impressed.

[Braggins]

Kemba is too small to attack the rim. Just the way it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCw_7IIjIY
48 second mark.

I don't buy "too small to attack the rim"

I do think that Kemba is never going to attack the rim, but that has more to do with his mental approach to the game. And of course I can't find it at the moment, but I remember reading a good article about different PG styles. Kemba isn't a rim attacker for sure, but there are plenty of other good PGs that aren't rim attackers too.

Dunlap had Kemba attacking the rim kinda effectively.

Kemba's style has always been that of a fast paced rim attacker. All three years at UConn and the year under Dunlap he played that way and was effective at it. It wasn't until he played under Clifford that he started to seem allergic to the paint or attacking in transition. It really bothers me that people act like Kemba has been a midrange chucker his entire career. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

[catch20two]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCw_7IIjIY
48 second mark.

I don't buy "too small to attack the rim"

I do think that Kemba is never going to attack the rim, but that has more to do with his mental approach to the game. And of course I can't find it at the moment, but I remember reading a good article about different PG styles. Kemba isn't a rim attacker for sure, but there are plenty of other good PGs that aren't rim attackers too.

Dunlap had Kemba attacking the rim kinda effectively.

Kemba's style has always been that of a fast paced rim attacker. All three years at UConn and the year under Dunlap he played that way and was effective at it. It wasn't until he played under Clifford that he started to seem allergic to the paint or attacking in transition. It really bothers me that people act like Kemba has been a midrange chucker his entire career. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

I'll tell you before they tell you. This offense and roster was built around and tailor made for Kemba first and foremost.

[yosemiteben]

Kemba's style has always been that of a fast paced rim attacker. All three years at UConn and the year under Dunlap he played that way and was effective at it. It wasn't until he played under Clifford that he started to seem allergic to the paint or attacking in transition.

Just some random stats around this concept from stats.nba.com...

In the 2012-13 season Kemba shot 5.1 shots per game within 5 feet of the basket and converted at a rate of 51.6%.
In the 2013-14 season Kemba shot 3.9 shots per game from that range and converted at a rate of 49.5%.
This year Kemba shot 4.7 shots per game from that range, very close to the same as under Dunlap, and converted at a rate of 47.8%.

In the 2012-13 season there were 57 players that attempted 5 or more shots within 5 feet of the basket. Kemba's FG% from within that range among that group ranked 51st.

In the 2012-13 season there were 86 players that attempted 4 or more shots within 5 feet of the basket. Kemba's FG% from within that range among that group ranked 76th.

Kemba did attempt more shots closer to the basket under Dunlap than under Cliff. However, among guys in the NBA that took the volume of shots from that range that year, he had one of the poorest FG%. One might argue that Kemba was seeing more doubles on drives that other folks because of the lack of offensive options on that roster, but that really didn't change all that much the next two years.

[DY_nasty]

Kemba's style has always been that of a fast paced rim attacker. All three years at UConn and the year under Dunlap he played that way and was effective at it. It wasn't until he played under Clifford that he started to seem allergic to the paint or attacking in transition.

Just some random stats around this concept from stats.nba.com...

In the 2012-13 season Kemba shot 5.1 shots per game within 5 feet of the basket and converted at a rate of 51.6%.
In the 2013-14 season Kemba shot 3.9 shots per game from that range and converted at a rate of 49.5%.
This year Kemba shot 4.7 shots per game from that range, very close to the same as under Dunlap, and converted at a rate of 47.8%.

In the 2012-13 season there were 57 players that attempted 5 or more shots within 5 feet of the basket. Kemba's FG% from within that range among that group ranked 51st.

In the 2012-13 season there were 86 players that attempted 4 or more shots within 5 feet of the basket. Kemba's FG% from within that range among that group ranked 76th.

Kemba did attempt more shots closer to the basket under Dunlap than under Cliff. However, among guys in the NBA that took the volume of shots from that range that year, he had one of the poorest FG%. One might argue that Kemba was seeing more doubles on drives that other folks because of the lack of offensive options on that roster, but that really didn't change all that much the next two years.

I'm glad you dug that up. Mentioned Kemba's finishing before in a discussion with sik and someone else I think back when I wanted to see him grow into a Tony Parker type.

Its a huge hurdle of his. Bigger than his jumpshooting and overall shot selection imo. I think/*hope* that he learns to just to put strain on defenses by keeping that dribble alive while penetrating. He's gotta use it for more than just pull up jumpers and making sure we have the longest possessions in the league.

[Diop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCw_7IIjIY
48 second mark.

I don't buy "too small to attack the rim"

I do think that Kemba is never going to attack the rim, but that has more to do with his mental approach to the game. And of course I can't find it at the moment, but I remember reading a good article about different PG styles. Kemba isn't a rim attacker for sure, but there are plenty of other good PGs that aren't rim attackers too.

Dunlap had Kemba attacking the rim kinda effectively.

Kemba's style has always been that of a fast paced rim attacker. All three years at UConn and the year under Dunlap he played that way and was effective at it. It wasn't until he played under Clifford that he started to seem allergic to the paint or attacking in transition. It really bothers me that people act like Kemba has been a midrange chucker his entire career. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

It's an interesting point, Dunlap pretty much insisted that Kemba take it down the throat of the defence.

[LofJ]

Kemba's best attributes are his speed and his handles. If he focused on using those talents to set guys up more rather than finding a shot for himself he'd be a much more effective player. I don't even care that Al is our only other scorer on the team. Our young guys need to develop their offensive games and Kemba and Clifford need to help them do it. That means a big overhaul of pretty much everything we do on offense. If Clifford isn't capable of that, which I don't think he is, we need to either hire him some help or find a new head coach if Clifford is unable to see his limitations and work with us to correct them.

[Hornet Mania]

Vonleh got semi big minutes tonight. And showed nothing but a 3 pointer.

Hopefully he gets big minutes from here on out. Hardly impressed.

It's basically his first game with around 20 minutes, but yeah I would have liked to see more as well. He and Biz had a nice stretch where they got their hands on every offensive rebound (not necessarily snatched them, just volleyed them around a bit) early on but that was the only other noteworthy contribution I can think of from Vonleh last night. I'm hoping last night's general ineptitude at every level just bled into everything and we'll see more to like in the next few games.

[catch20two]

Dunlap had Kemba attacking the rim kinda effectively.

Kemba's style has always been that of a fast paced rim attacker. All three years at UConn and the year under Dunlap he played that way and was effective at it. It wasn't until he played under Clifford that he started to seem allergic to the paint or attacking in transition. It really bothers me that people act like Kemba has been a midrange chucker his entire career. It couldn't be farther from the truth.

It's an interesting point, Dunlap pretty much insisted that Kemba take it down the throat of the defence.

Dunlap told him that he's big when he's small among the trees and to make em pay. Lol Dunlapisms.

[Eoghan]

Kemba needs to be locked in a room with game tape of nothing but Tony Parker and Steve Nash. If he could develop a teardrop or just weave through the trees without attempting a flailing layup he'd be monumentally better.