Marcus Smart is nothing special...why are yall so delusional?

[DarkAzcura]

Celticsblog is much much much much better and smarter.

[sully00]

You expect rookies to win games I guess.

We are watching a rookie win games that is the point you can't let settle in. It isn't about style points and stats, we are watching Smart actually contribute significantly to winning games. That is the difference. With the game on the line he has been great he just has to clean up what goes in the first 42 mins of the game so his stats look better.

Payton looks good on some nights and some nights he looks like he should take a seat, the problem is no matter what he plays. Kid is a stat filler for sure but even when he seems to be going well he is taking more shots than he scores points and he is a PG. I am not saying he isn't going to get better I am just not that excited about the way the kid impacts the game right now.

Is he winning tonights game??????? Or is his team winning it??????

delusional

but to fit the narrative, go ahead use what backs your statement up.

When trying to point out potential and talent and skillset

you go to win shares LOL

Why are you trolling? Your coming to another board having a conversation. Who is disrespecting you? Who is calling you names? I don't have a problem admitting that was not a very good game by Smart looks like Payton had a good game and won it matters doesn't it?

[pfm]

This thread has basically been propelled by 2 Magic/Payton trolls. I don't really get the insecurity issue there.

Either way, who here is awaiting the ban hammer?

[DarkAzcura]

This thread has basically been propelled by 2 Magic/Payton trolls. I don't really get the insecurity issue there.

Either way, who here is awaiting the ban hammer?

Yeah there is always a ton of Magic fans always defending Magic's honor on the GB. I mean it's not that big of a deal, though, I guess. I used to do the same with Rondo every now and then.

I feel like this guy is a Wizards fan, though, which makes it even odder.

[SmartWentCrazy]

...to further argue with Trolls. Payton is on a non-playoff team going nowhere with little direction. He gets free reign. And, he's averaging 8.7 and 6.4 apg.

Smart has nowhere near the latitude to shoot and make mistakes. He will come out of the game. Smart's actually being a role player right now. The Celtics aren't just throwing him out there to develop.

Have you been keeping track lately? hes been the best rookie since the all star break and its not even close, hes been killing it

Hes averaging 14.5 , 9.1, 6.8 since the all star break, 44% field, 35% from deep, and 84% from the line

let that sink in'

He hasn't even been the best rookie PG since the All-Star break (see Jordan Clarkson), let alone best rookie.

Payton is this years Michael Carter-Williams, a pig with lipstick. You may see a babe, but I still see a pig.

[SOUL]

FWIW, None of these people are even Magic fans. Haven't seen them on the forum.

Payton is this years Michael Carter-Williams, a pig with lipstick. You may see a babe, but I still see a pig.

Biggest difference is Payton knows his strengths and weaknesses. He needs to work on shooting but hes not gonna take 20 shots and 10 3 pointers like MCW. Also doesn't turn it over much / has much greater vision.

Some of you are dead wrong about Payton but that's fine.

It's normal to be excited about your own PG, both franchises are fine not trading for each other's and there's nothing wrong with that, but trust me.. no Magic fans are trolling your board. I hope for some Smart/Payton duels for a long time. It'll be fun to see how all the PG's from this class develop.

[chrisab123]

I will stop now because some guy wants to throw out Win Shares as to which kid has more talent LOL

Celticsblog is much much much much better and smarter.

You must be the dude on there who refers to Marcus Smart as Marcus Banks 2.0. Brilliant!

[gammajamma]

I didn't realize Elfrid's fans were so insecure.

[jfs1000d]

FWIW, None of these people are even Magic fans. Haven't seen them on the forum.

Payton is this years Michael Carter-Williams, a pig with lipstick. You may see a babe, but I still see a pig.

Biggest difference is Payton knows his strengths and weaknesses. He needs to work on shooting but hes not gonna take 20 shots and 10 3 pointers like MCW. Also doesn't turn it over much / has much greater vision.

Some of you are dead wrong about Payton but that's fine.

It's normal to be excited about your own PG, both franchises are fine not trading for each other's and there's nothing wrong with that, but trust me.. no Magic fans are trolling your board. I hope for some Smart/Payton duels for a long time. It'll be fun to see how all the PG's from this class develop.

I don't think Smart's a superstar in waiting. But Payton isn't either.

This isn't Carmelo vs. LeBron argument.

Is Payton better than Smart? Right now, I guess. Smart isn't a true PG anyway and is going to have to learn his craft like Mike Conley. That's fine.

I just don't see Payton as someone to get all hot and bothered about. Is he rookie of the year? Sure. Give it to him. That's great. You lost 50 plus games anyway.

[jfs1000d]

I didn't realize Elfrid's fans were so insecure.

Yeah. And why are they trolling here? No one is that upset about not having Payton. Sorry. It doesn't really fire me up.

I like Smart's combo guard ability and I think he is going to be an excellent scorer and shooter in a couple of years.

[greengoggles]

I really like Smart, but I do think that Payton has had the better rookie season and is the better player right now. Smart has the benefit of playing in a system that allows him to focus on his strengths while minimizing his deficiencies - hence the more favorable advanced statistics. Payton's not quite so lucky.

I was really high on Smart at the draft specifically for his defensive versatility and his ability to get to the free throw line. The defensive part of his game has translated seamlessly; the offense has thus far been a work in progress. I'm still really high on Smart, though, and if he comes back next season with an improved handle then I think we'll see more of the attacking, foul-drawing player he was in college.

[cl2117]

I really like Smart, but I do think that Payton has had the better rookie season and is the better player right now. Smart has the benefit of playing in a system that allows him to focus on his strengths while minimizing his deficiencies - hence the more favorable advanced statistics. Payton's not quite so lucky.

I was really high on Smart at the draft specifically for his defensive versatility and his ability to get to the free throw line. The defensive part of his game has translated seamlessly; the offense has thus far been a work in progress. I'm still really high on Smart, though, and if he comes back next season with an improved handle then I think we'll see more of the attacking, foul-drawing player he was in college.

Fair points, but while it's true that Smart has had the benefits of playing in a system that allows him to focus on his strengths while minimizing deficiencies, he's also playing in a system that has him serving as a role player offensively which hasn't allowed him the leash to go out there and work on some of those deficiencies.

He hasn't had the opportunity to go out and work on his handle, driving shooting etc. because if he goes out there and struggles he gets put on the bench because this team is trying to win. Elfrid has a much longer leash to go out there and try things and figure it all out, whereas Smart was taking a backseat to Rondo, Turner, IT and even Pressey at times. Stevens doesn't have him out there working on those deficiencies because that's going to produce some ugly games while he works through it and extra losses.

So while Smart has been lucky to play in a better system and on a better team thus producing better win shares, Payton has played on a worse team and in a larger role which has helped him put up better numbers.

On the whole I think Payton has definitely had a better year as far as ROY goes, but some people (especially the trolls in this thread) want to make it seem like that somehow that's indicative of him being the better prospect/player, but that's a reach. Just look at MCW last year, Oladipo/Giannis/Schroeder and others all seem like better prospects, but MCW got the award.

At the end of the day they're both good rookies with some holes in their game and a lot of potential. If you want to try and extrapolate anything more out of this year than that you're reaching.

[humblebum]

Agreed cl. The thing that people also seem to be missing is that Smart developing his shot and "ball moving" skills is a really intelligent way of kind of setting up Marcus' offensive approach long term.

By starting by working at his weakness (read: shooting, playing within himself) it will broaden his game from the chucking/slashing dynamo he was in College. The fact that he has taken to the role presented to him by Stevens is a really good sign for his mental makeup and commitment to the team.

If Smart can continue to focus on developing his shot, tightening up his handling/decision making/PnR reads he'll be a force next season. This is a "foundational" year for Smart. Being able to just play within a 5 man offense, moving the ball and defending. Next year he can hopefully make some gains in the shooting department, start to do a bit more driving closeouts and attacking in PnR/transition.

Year 3 will be the year to see whether or not Smart will have another level to his game. Right now, he's just building a sound base.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

Agreed cl. The thing that people also seem to be missing is that Smart developing his shot and "ball moving" skills is a really intelligent way of kind of setting up Marcus' offensive approach long term.

By starting by working at his weakness (read: shooting, playing within himself) it will broaden his game from the chucking/slashing dynamo he was in College. The fact that he has taken to the role presented to him by Stevens is a really good sign for his mental makeup and commitment to the team.

If Smart can continue to focus on developing his shot, tightening up his handling/decision making/PnR reads he'll be a force next season. This is a "foundational" year for Smart. Being able to just play within a 5 man offense, moving the ball and defending. Next year he can hopefully make some gains in the shooting department, start to do a bit more driving closeouts and attacking in PnR/transition.

Year 3 will be the year to see whether or not Smart will have another level to his game. Right now, he's just building a sound base.

everyone remembers averts abysmal offense in the beginning, and I already think smart is way ahead of him as far as natural ability. Listen to humblebum, he is spot on here on all counts.

[wizfactor94]

FWIW, None of these people are even Magic fans. Haven't seen them on the forum.

Payton is this years Michael Carter-Williams, a pig with lipstick. You may see a babe, but I still see a pig.

Biggest difference is Payton knows his strengths and weaknesses. He needs to work on shooting but hes not gonna take 20 shots and 10 3 pointers like MCW. Also doesn't turn it over much / has much greater vision.

Some of you are dead wrong about Payton but that's fine.

It's normal to be excited about your own PG, both franchises are fine not trading for each other's and there's nothing wrong with that, but trust me.. no Magic fans are trolling your board. I hope for some Smart/Payton duels for a long time. It'll be fun to see how all the PG's from this class develop.

I don't think Smart's a superstar in waiting. But Payton isn't either.

This isn't Carmelo vs. LeBron argument.

Is Payton better than Smart? Right now, I guess. Smart isn't a true PG anyway and is going to have to learn his craft like Mike Conley. That's fine.

I just don't see Payton as someone to get all hot and bothered about. Is he rookie of the year? Sure. Give it to him. That's great. You lost 50 plus games anyway.

lol at pinning a 50 game losing season on a rookie point guard, and not a young team or the fact that they fired the coach midway through the season.

What ever makes you feel like your right. Which your not , your wrong 100%.

[wizfactor94]

17, 9, and 9 , 2-2 from deep, 4-4 from the line in a win vs the bulls and this sick dunk

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTGfjv-QPd4[/youtube]



Like I said before,

Its about the abilities and skillsets,

I really thought Smart would be good offensively, but he is not, i thought he was athletic freakish, but hes not, i thought he could dribble and slash, he cant......and this was a concern of scouts.....

Elfrid was all of the oppossites, the concern from scouts was his ability to shoot, which has been a problem but he is improving mightily as the season comes to an end

[truth18]

No offense, but are you alright regarding your mental health? I've never seen anyone this dedicated and we've had some crazy arguments about Rondo on this board.

Seek some help if you're not feeling well, man. Things will get better. No shame in admiting you have stuff you need to work out. Elfrid/basketball isn't life. Not green font/sarcasm.

[humblebum]

Smart is a great athlete. If you can't see that you are blind. Kid doesn't just defend all NBA level as a rookie with average athleticism. He's an absolute stud out there who can often defend 4 positions, and has the anticipation and instincts of a savvy veteran. His upside defensively is Tony Allen/Dwayne Wade. So let's not lose sight of what Smart has done well this season. He's a future multiple All NBA defensive player and you could even see him win a DPOY at some point. He's truly had that promising of a start as a defender.

Offensively, he's being brought along slowly in a role where he's deferring to better, more accomplished scorers/ball handlers etc. In that role he's performed pretty solidly, making intelligent passes, hitting a decent percentage of 3's (and maintaining confidence in his shot after misses and particularly late in games/big moments), getting after offensive rebounds, cutting and setting hard screens. All of these "small details" he's being asked to perform don't exactly stand out, but they're all aspects of the game which contribute to winning.

[shawn unkempt]

Smart's ability to move laterally and fight through screens is elite. His straight forward speed, vertical and ability to change directions are nothing to write home about, below average for an NBA point guard.

[KGboss]

Humble, awesome posts and great perspective. Completely agree 100% with your points.

This guy Wiz should place a bet right now that 10 years from now if Elfrid has had a better career than Smart than good for you, but if Smart turns out to be the better player you have to eat an actual crow. Beak and all.