NETS/ATL PG: lol Hollins

[Prokorov]

Jack shouldn't be on the floor in a close game. I don't care if he made two game winners. Lightning never strikes three times in the same place. It's inexcusable to put a 25% three point shooter in the game in the final seconds against a Top 5 defense. Did the Hawks have a 25% shooter on the floor? Nope. Even if the corner three wasn't the plan (although it looked to be) Joe, Bojan even Deron are way better suited to make that shot.

Also, how can you proclaim Markel to be 'our Tony Allen' but won't use him in an inbounds defensive situation? What's the point? Korver finished with only 6 shot attempts. He couldn't get open all game.

This is 100% on Hollins and if we make the playoffs. He better not think this crap is acceptable. I can always accept not being good enough but I never want to see a team with chances to win games lose due to idiotic coaching.

i just cant put this loss on coaching. he had some bad decisions, but im sorry, we were in a position to win several times and did not execute flat out.

bogs, joe, and jack all had wide open shots and missed. brook and htat had like 52 chances to put back and offensive rebound and couldnt get it in the bucket. we had multiple chances the last minute to get a stop and get a rebound to win and didnt.

we had between 3 and 6 chances to make a play to win the game(or put us in great position to) and came up short on all of them.

if bogs is in that corner instead of jack do we win? maybe maybe not. but i do know that when bogs did have the wide open big shot, he missed that one.

[SIC]

I dont care how many points the JJs scored last night, BKing has to SAVE HOLLINS from himself AGAIN. BKing needs to trade the JJs like he did for KG, because Hollins cant control himself when it comes to the JJs.

Joe J - I appreciate all JJ has done for the Nets these past three years but he needs to come off the bench. JJ can no longer guard staring SFs NOW too. It is NOT a coincidence that Carroll and Turner have career games against NETS. I know it is hard to bench a $20 mil+ player, but hollins had no problem benching Lopez and Dwill. Then Freaken Hollins first sub out in the 1st is Brown for Bogs. That makes absolutely NO sense. JJ cant guard Carroll so you take out the guy that can guard Korver just so you can keep your rotation. Bogs should have came in for JJ instead of Brown.

Hollins also putting JJ at PF is tiring. Ok AA is out and we dont have another SG/SF defender besides Brown. Why not move Thad to SF while JJ is resting on the bench. Dwill, Bogs, Thad, CJ/Clark, Lopez would be an interesting lineup. Yeah CJ is a rookie and shouldnt get a lot of PT but while JJ gets a quick rest and against Bigger SFs like Carroll, Why Not? This lineup also works for spurts against a team like CLE when Lebron is at SF. Hollins just is too stubborn and maybe a little to loyal to VETS. JJ needs to be benched sometimes when clearly the SF matchup is hurting the team.

Jarret J - How hard is it for PG to play within the flow of the game? How hard is it for a PG to know his limitations? I dont think Livingston was a great Backup PG, but at least he knew what he could and couldnt do. Unfortunately for us Hollins doesnt know Jack's limitations too. Why would you have Jack around the 3pt line when he cant shoot damn 3s?

Anyway I am not completely crushed by this loss, because ATL has had the entire season to figure out their style of play and perfect it. Our FREAKEN coach just figured out the way this team should play. It took him 60+ games and is still making the same mistakes that got him 42 losses.

While I agree with Joe regressing on the defense end - health, age, effort - whatever it may be, we don't have the personnel there. Bogdanovic is an awful defender. If we move Thad to SF and like you mention play Earl Clark alongside him Earl Clark is an awful defender. It's really a pick your poison type scenario. Joe brings more offensively than the others so it makes sense to use him.

I am not saying that Bogs is a great defender but at least Bogs tries to defend. Bogs TRIES to move his feet and TRIES to stay in front of his man. JJ gives up as soon as his player puts the ball on the floor and dont let me even start with leaving 3pt shooters open.

As for Thad at SF, I would rather give CJ a chance at PF, but Hollins for some reason has taken him out of the rotation. I am not saying CJ is the best option there either but I would give him SOME minutes there. CJ is a decent help defender especially when Lopez needs help after opposing guards go by our guards.

I know we dont have valid options especially with AA out, but try something else.

That said. I am hoping BKing can find a way to trade JJ for younger wings that can defend and run the floor. I am not a fan of Lance but if BKing can send JJ for Lance and maybe Henderson, I would be ok with that. I wanted that this year. Henderson isnt great but IMO he is a better option at SF than JJ right now.

[MrDollarBills]

If you tell me tomorrow that we can get Lance and Henderson for JJ this summer I'd scream to the heavens with joy

[Dirk]

2-2 only gets us to 38 wins. miami going 3-1 with the tiebreaker over us would get in in that scenario.

we need to go 3-1, and even that might not be enough

Oh, I had the impression you owned tiebreakers against two of the other teams in the running, but it's only with Indiana. You also lose the three/four way tiebreaker. Looks like if Miami wins tonight it'll be hard seeing them miss out. I think Miami goes 3-1, Boston 2-2, Indiana 2-2, Milwaukee 2-2.

[Prokorov]

2-2 only gets us to 38 wins. miami going 3-1 with the tiebreaker over us would get in in that scenario.

we need to go 3-1, and even that might not be enough

Oh, I had the impression you owned tiebreakers against two of the other teams in the running, but it's only with Indiana. You also lose the three/four way tiebreaker. Looks like if Miami wins tonight it'll be hard seeing them miss out. I think Miami goes 3-1, Boston 2-2, Indiana 2-2, Milwaukee 2-2.

yup, we need to win 3 games or hope miami only wins 2. i dont think either is likely

[kerry kittles]

I dont care how many points the JJs scored last night, BKing has to SAVE HOLLINS from himself AGAIN. BKing needs to trade the JJs like he did for KG, because Hollins cant control himself when it comes to the JJs.

Joe J - I appreciate all JJ has done for the Nets these past three years but he needs to come off the bench. JJ can no longer guard staring SFs NOW too. It is NOT a coincidence that Carroll and Turner have career games against NETS. I know it is hard to bench a $20 mil+ player, but hollins had no problem benching Lopez and Dwill. Then Freaken Hollins first sub out in the 1st is Brown for Bogs. That makes absolutely NO sense. JJ cant guard Carroll so you take out the guy that can guard Korver just so you can keep your rotation. Bogs should have came in for JJ instead of Brown.

Hollins also putting JJ at PF is tiring. Ok AA is out and we dont have another SG/SF defender besides Brown. Why not move Thad to SF while JJ is resting on the bench. Dwill, Bogs, Thad, CJ/Clark, Lopez would be an interesting lineup. Yeah CJ is a rookie and shouldnt get a lot of PT but while JJ gets a quick rest and against Bigger SFs like Carroll, Why Not? This lineup also works for spurts against a team like CLE when Lebron is at SF. Hollins just is too stubborn and maybe a little to loyal to VETS. JJ needs to be benched sometimes when clearly the SF matchup is hurting the team.

Jarret J - How hard is it for PG to play within the flow of the game? How hard is it for a PG to know his limitations? I dont think Livingston was a great Backup PG, but at least he knew what he could and couldnt do. Unfortunately for us Hollins doesnt know Jack's limitations too. Why would you have Jack around the 3pt line when he cant shoot damn 3s?

Anyway I am not completely crushed by this loss, because ATL has had the entire season to figure out their style of play and perfect it. Our FREAKEN coach just figured out the way this team should play. It took him 60+ games and is still making the same mistakes that got him 42 losses.

While I agree with Joe regressing on the defense end - health, age, effort - whatever it may be, we don't have the personnel there. Bogdanovic is an awful defender. If we move Thad to SF and like you mention play Earl Clark alongside him Earl Clark is an awful defender. It's really a pick your poison type scenario. Joe brings more offensively than the others so it makes sense to use him.

I am not saying that Bogs is a great defender but at least Bogs tries to defend. Bogs TRIES to move his feet and TRIES to stay in front of his man. JJ gives up as soon as his player puts the ball on the floor and dont let me even start with leaving 3pt shooters open.

As for Thad at SF, I would rather give CJ a chance at PF, but Hollins for some reason has taken him out of the rotation. I am not saying CJ is the best option there either but I would give him SOME minutes there. CJ is a decent help defender especially when Lopez needs help after opposing guards go by our guards.

I know we dont have valid options especially with AA out, but try something else.

That said. I am hoping BKing can find a way to trade JJ for younger wings that can defend and run the floor. I am not a fan of Lance but if BKing can send JJ for Lance and maybe Henderson, I would be ok with that. I wanted that this year. Henderson isnt great but IMO he is a better option at SF than JJ right now.

Charlotte fans expect Henderson to opt out of his contract.

Bogdanovic is ranked 430 out of 472 in DRAPM. The only one on the team worse is Jarrett Jack. He is an awful help defender, he gets blown by more than Joe. We look at Joe and expect more because of his contract, but he is a better defender than Bogdanovic. Even the games where Bojan has played well Hollins has subbed him out on the defensive end at the end of games as he's a defensive liability.

[Paradise]

Jack shouldn't be on the floor in a close game. I don't care if he made two game winners. Lightning never strikes three times in the same place. It's inexcusable to put a 25% three point shooter in the game in the final seconds against a Top 5 defense. Did the Hawks have a 25% shooter on the floor? Nope. Even if the corner three wasn't the plan (although it looked to be) Joe, Bojan even Deron are way better suited to make that shot.

Also, how can you proclaim Markel to be 'our Tony Allen' but won't use him in an inbounds defensive situation? What's the point? Korver finished with only 6 shot attempts. He couldn't get open all game.

This is 100% on Hollins and if we make the playoffs. He better not think this crap is acceptable. I can always accept not being good enough but I never want to see a team with chances to win games lose due to idiotic coaching.

i just cant put this loss on coaching. he had some bad decisions, but im sorry, we were in a position to win several times and did not execute flat out.

bogs, joe, and jack all had wide open shots and missed. brook and htat had like 52 chances to put back and offensive rebound and couldnt get it in the bucket. we had multiple chances the last minute to get a stop and get a rebound to win and didnt.

we had between 3 and 6 chances to make a play to win the game(or put us in great position to) and came up short on all of them.

if bogs is in that corner instead of jack do we win? maybe maybe not. but i do know that when bogs did have the wide open big shot, he missed that one.

Bojan made a corner shot to put us in OT before and the shot he got wasn't exactly wide open. I don't care if Jack was wide open. He's a 25% shooter for his last two seasons. Deron, Joe and Bojan are significantly better options than him in that corner.

If you really want Jack to be on the floor. Let him attack the defenders and kick it out with Joe, Deron and Bojan surrounding the perimeter. I didn't see Atlanta parking Jeff Teague in the corner for a wide open shot.

Yeah, we had our chances but that makes coaching a bigger deal when you get free chances and blow it.

[Prokorov]

While I agree with Joe regressing on the defense end - health, age, effort - whatever it may be, we don't have the personnel there. Bogdanovic is an awful defender. If we move Thad to SF and like you mention play Earl Clark alongside him Earl Clark is an awful defender. It's really a pick your poison type scenario. Joe brings more offensively than the others so it makes sense to use him.

I am not saying that Bogs is a great defender but at least Bogs tries to defend. Bogs TRIES to move his feet and TRIES to stay in front of his man. JJ gives up as soon as his player puts the ball on the floor and dont let me even start with leaving 3pt shooters open.

As for Thad at SF, I would rather give CJ a chance at PF, but Hollins for some reason has taken him out of the rotation. I am not saying CJ is the best option there either but I would give him SOME minutes there. CJ is a decent help defender especially when Lopez needs help after opposing guards go by our guards.

I know we dont have valid options especially with AA out, but try something else.

That said. I am hoping BKing can find a way to trade JJ for younger wings that can defend and run the floor. I am not a fan of Lance but if BKing can send JJ for Lance and maybe Henderson, I would be ok with that. I wanted that this year. Henderson isnt great but IMO he is a better option at SF than JJ right now.

Charlotte fans expect Henderson to opt out of his contract.

Bogdanovic is ranked 430 out of 472 in DRAPM. The only one on the team worse is Jarrett Jack. He is an awful help defender, he gets blown by more than Joe. We look at Joe and expect more because of his contract, but he is a better defender than Bogdanovic. Even the games where Bojan has played well Hollins has subbed him out on the defensive end at the end of games as he's a defensive liability.

ypu... this "bench joe" stuff is classic grass is greener mentality. bogs in 30 minutes would be jack-level horrible. he takes an insane amount of bad shots and is a pretty weak defender himself. he is a plus in low minutes, starting he would be awful.

[Prokorov]

Bojan made a corner shot to put us in OT before and the shot he got wasn't exactly wide open. I don't care if Jack was wide open. He's a 25% shooter for his last two seasons. Deron, Joe and Bojan are significantly better options than him in that corner.

what bogs did several games ago isnt super relevant, especially on a different shot and especially considering he missed a wide open shot in last nights game which is much more relevant. putting joe in the corner sound good until you realize you have to either have deron or jack handle the ball. i trust neither. one will take bad shots and the other loves to turn it over and had turned it over a ton already.

like it or not joe is the only guy you can trust to handle the ball who:

-wont turn it over
-wont take a bad shot
-will make the right pass
-will hit a big shot if he takes it

jack and dwill you cant trust to check those 4 boxes off. Also, while jack isnt a good 3 point shooter, if you look situationally at his percentage from the corners it is actually pretty decent. not that its a great idea, but its not like bogs is reggie miller from the outside either

Yeah, we had our chances but that makes coaching a bigger deal when you get free chances and blow it.

i cant blame the coach for players missing wide open 3's, missing wide open layups, and letting guys get wide open dunks. at some point when youhave chance after chance after chance and 4 or 5 guys with chances someone needs to come through

[Paradise]

i cant blame the coach for players missing wide open 3's, missing wide open layups, and letting guys get wide open dunks. at some point when youhave chance after chance after chance and 4 or 5 guys with chances someone needs to come through

Yeah but putting a bad 3 point shooter on the floor is almost guaranteeing another miss.

[MGrand15]

Deron did hit a shot to put us up with 35 seconds. And he also had 13 assists - even though he started playing SG and running around and chasing Kyle Korver for the last 6 minutes of the game. Weird that he's the one that's untrustworthy with the ball in his hands.

Either way. Offense aside - I can't defend a decision that puts Jarrett Jack on Jeff Teague in crunch time. Teague hit a HUGE layup with no resistance from Jack at all. Especially when that leads to Deron running around and wasting energy guarding the best off the ball player in the league. Jack hit a floater but was generally bad during his time with Deron. There's no reason that Bogs or Brown should've been benched in favor of the Deron-Jack combination. I'm really tired of Hollins going to it. If he loves Jack that much, he should bench Deron.

BTW that last Horford dunk was completely on Joe Johnson. Deron got screened and he was too far to recover on Korver. Joe Johnson should've picked him up and let Deron switch onto Mike Scott. He didn't so Deron was SO far from Korver coming off the Horford screen that Brook had to help REALLY high or else he'd give up a wide open, in rhythm 3 to Korver. A 3pt layup. Deron could've switched onto Horford on the fly but was so worried about Korver's 3 - they ended up weakly trapping him. No one on the weak side rotated and wide open dunk.

Disappointing because basically 3 guys fell asleep on action that involved Kyle Korver. The one guy who you know you need to be focused with. Korver should be a guy you switch everything on when he's coming off screens. Of course that's easier when you don't have a PG on him.

Wasted opportunity. We were up 1 and had so many chances to bring it up to 4 or 3. We blew it and it cost us the game. Not surprising.

[624]

So I don't get YES 2 so I DVRed the 7am encore today instead. Avoided NBA news all night and day, today I finally turn it on to watch it....and YES shows the **** score of the game on the bottom bar as they show the encore. How could they be that stupid to spoil the game during the encore. Especially when it's their first airing of the game.

[lkitt0804]

Deron did hit a shot to put us up with 35 seconds. And he also had 13 assists - even though he started playing SG and running around and chasing Kyle Korver for the last 6 minutes of the game. Weird that he's the one that's untrustworthy with the ball in his hands.

Either way. Offense aside - I can't defend a decision that puts Jarrett Jack on Jeff Teague in crunch time. Teague hit a HUGE layup with no resistance from Jack at all. Especially when that leads to Deron running around and wasting energy guarding the best off the ball player in the league. Jack hit a floater but was generally bad during his time with Deron. There's no reason that Bogs or Brown should've been benched in favor of the Deron-Jack combination. I'm really tired of Hollins going to it. If he loves Jack that much, he should bench Deron.

BTW that last Horford dunk was completely on Joe Johnson. Deron got screened and he was too far to recover on Korver. Joe Johnson should've picked him up and let Deron switch onto Mike Scott. He didn't so Deron was SO far from Korver coming off the Horford screen that Brook had to help REALLY high or else he'd give up a wide open, in rhythm 3 to Korver. A 3pt layup. Deron could've switched onto Horford on the fly but was so worried about Korver's 3 - they ended up weakly trapping him. No one on the weak side rotated and wide open dunk.

Disappointing because basically 3 guys fell asleep on action that involved Kyle Korver. The one guy who you know you need to be focused with. Korver should be a guy you switch everything on when he's coming off screens. Of course that's easier when you don't have a PG on him.

Wasted opportunity. We were up 1 and had so many chances to bring it up to 4 or 3. We blew it and it cost us the game. Not surprising.

I could be wrong but I thought Deron was running point the final two minutes. I remember him trying to force feed Joe down the stretch. I agree with putting the ball in Deron's hands the final two minutes. What I would like to see in the final possessions is Deron breaking the defense with dribble penetration and dropping to Brook or Thad or dishing to Joe beyond the arc. The problem with this game is that Teague was all over Deron and picked his pockets numerous times already. In hindsight I wouldn't have been opposed to a Joe/Brook two man game down the stretch.

Anyways him running with Korver isn't a bad thing if Brown was in on Teague. I think I'd rather have Deron on Korver than on Teague. But I don't trust Jack's defense down the stretch on any one.

Did any one else get that hopeless feeling the entire game?




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[Prokorov]

i cant blame the coach for players missing wide open 3's, missing wide open layups, and letting guys get wide open dunks. at some point when youhave chance after chance after chance and 4 or 5 guys with chances someone needs to come through

Yeah but putting a bad 3 point shooter on the floor is almost guaranteeing another miss.

Gauranteed miss seems like an enormous exageration. as mentioned, while overall jack is not a good 3 point shooter, he hasnt been bad from the corners(both this year and career and last 3)

This Year:
62.5% from the right corner
35.3% from the left corner
44.0% overall from the corners

http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/playe ... shotchart/ (click on 'shot zones')

Last year:
40.7% from the right corner
40.6% from the left corner
40.6% overall from the corners

http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/playe ... rett-Jack/ (click on 'shot zones')

Again, im not saying the dude is dale ellis or reggie miller, or that we draw a play up for him to shoot a 3, but to chalk that up as a "gauranteed miss" just isnt accurate. and if i need someone to take a corner 3 between jack and bogs im not sure i choose bogs over the veteran who has hit a couple big shots already

[MrDollarBills]

Deron did hit a shot to put us up with 35 seconds. And he also had 13 assists - even though he started playing SG and running around and chasing Kyle Korver for the last 6 minutes of the game. Weird that he's the one that's untrustworthy with the ball in his hands.

Either way. Offense aside - I can't defend a decision that puts Jarrett Jack on Jeff Teague in crunch time. Teague hit a HUGE layup with no resistance from Jack at all. Especially when that leads to Deron running around and wasting energy guarding the best off the ball player in the league. Jack hit a floater but was generally bad during his time with Deron. There's no reason that Bogs or Brown should've been benched in favor of the Deron-Jack combination. I'm really tired of Hollins going to it. If he loves Jack that much, he should bench Deron.

BTW that last Horford dunk was completely on Joe Johnson. Deron got screened and he was too far to recover on Korver. Joe Johnson should've picked him up and let Deron switch onto Mike Scott. He didn't so Deron was SO far from Korver coming off the Horford screen that Brook had to help REALLY high or else he'd give up a wide open, in rhythm 3 to Korver. A 3pt layup. Deron could've switched onto Horford on the fly but was so worried about Korver's 3 - they ended up weakly trapping him. No one on the weak side rotated and wide open dunk.

Disappointing because basically 3 guys fell asleep on action that involved Kyle Korver. The one guy who you know you need to be focused with. Korver should be a guy you switch everything on when he's coming off screens. Of course that's easier when you don't have a PG on him.

Wasted opportunity. We were up 1 and had so many chances to bring it up to 4 or 3. We blew it and it cost us the game. Not surprising.

I could be wrong but I thought Deron was running point the final two minutes. I remember him trying to force feed Joe down the stretch. I agree with putting the ball in Deron's hands the final two minutes. What I would like to see in the final possessions is Deron breaking the defense with dribble penetration and dropping to Brook or Thad or dishing to Joe beyond the arc. The problem with this game is that Teague was all over Deron and picked his pockets numerous times already. In hindsight I wouldn't have been opposed to a Joe/Brook two man game down the stretch.

Anyways him running with Korver isn't a bad thing if Brown was in on Teague. I think I'd rather have Deron on Korver than on Teague. But I don't trust Jack's defense down the stretch on any one.

Did any one else get that hopeless feeling the entire game?




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I seriously believed that we were going to win until the wheels fell off.

and Deron was playing off the ball.