So the devil makes you an offer...

[joedumars1]

Im saying if bosh didnt get hurt and they picked up dragic that really is best team in East.

A statement that conveniently isn't provable or disprovable.

I'm sure they would have been a lot better than they are now, but to say they'd be better than the Cavs and Hawks is pure speculation. Not impossible, but pure speculation.

Exactly. Without Bosh but WITH Dragic that team is still a lottery team. How can anyone believe the difference between a lottery team and a championship is Chris Bosh? Who seriously believes this?

Bosh could make a big difference, he is a PF that can defend and shoot three's, them are difficult to find.

[DetroitSho]

A statement that conveniently isn't provable or disprovable.

I'm sure they would have been a lot better than they are now, but to say they'd be better than the Cavs and Hawks is pure speculation. Not impossible, but pure speculation.

Exactly. Without Bosh but WITH Dragic that team is still a lottery team. How can anyone believe the difference between a lottery team and a championship is Chris Bosh? Who seriously believes this?

Bosh could make a big difference, he is a PF that can defend and shoot three's, them are difficult to find.

Nothing you said refutes what I said. Again, the difference between a lottery team and winning the championship is not Chris Bosh. I know everyone loves "a PF that can defend and shoot three's" but newsflash, those are not the deciding factor in making a team a championship team. "Making a big difference" and virtually being better than LeBron James is 2 different things.

[joedumars1]

Exactly. Without Bosh but WITH Dragic that team is still a lottery team. How can anyone believe the difference between a lottery team and a championship is Chris Bosh? Who seriously believes this?

Bosh could make a big difference, he is a PF that can defend and shoot three's, them are difficult to find.

Nothing you said refutes what I said. Again, the difference between a lottery team and winning the championship is not Chris Bosh. I know everyone loves "a PF that can defend and shoot three's" but newsflash, those are not the deciding factor in making a team a championship team. "Making a big difference" and virtually being better than LeBron James is 2 different things.

So you're saying a top 3-5 PF in the leauge might not make them a Championship contender? II'd think it would be alot of peoples picks to at least go to the ECF.

Nobody exactly knows how good it is would make them tho.

Did you think Mozgov and J.R Smith would have the impact with Cleveland that they have?

[DetroitSho]

Bosh could make a big difference, he is a PF that can defend and shoot three's, them are difficult to find.

Nothing you said refutes what I said. Again, the difference between a lottery team and winning the championship is not Chris Bosh. I know everyone loves "a PF that can defend and shoot three's" but newsflash, those are not the deciding factor in making a team a championship team. "Making a big difference" and virtually being better than LeBron James is 2 different things.

So you're saying a top 3-5 PF in the leauge might not make them a Championship contender? II'd think it would be alot of peoples picks to at least go to the ECF.

Nobody exactly knows how good it is would make them tho.

Did you think Mozgov and J.R Smith would have the impact with Cleveland that they have?

Man are we talking about the same Chris Bosh?

Let me ask you this, if you had LeBron James and someone offered you Whiteside and Dragic for Lebron, would you take it?

[joedumars1]

Nothing you said refutes what I said. Again, the difference between a lottery team and winning the championship is not Chris Bosh. I know everyone loves "a PF that can defend and shoot three's" but newsflash, those are not the deciding factor in making a team a championship team. "Making a big difference" and virtually being better than LeBron James is 2 different things.

So you're saying a top 3-5 PF in the leauge might not make them a Championship contender? II'd think it would be alot of peoples picks to at least go to the ECF.

Nobody exactly knows how good it is would make them tho.

Did you think Mozgov and J.R Smith would have the impact with Cleveland that they have?

Man are we talking about the same Chris Bosh?

Let me ask you this, if you had LeBron James and someone offered you Whiteside and Dragic for Lebron, would you take it?

More than likely no, but you still can't say for sure what impact Bosh could bring.

Did you think two first for Mozgov was a good deal? Did you think he would make a big diffrence? I for sure didn't, but it looks like it was a pretty smart trade.

We will never know, we just have our opinions, next year will give us a idea of what might have happened.

Just for the record I don't think Cleveland is going to win the Championship this year.

[sc8581]

So you're saying a top 3-5 PF in the leauge might not make them a Championship contender? II'd think it would be alot of peoples picks to at least go to the ECF.

Nobody exactly knows how good it is would make them tho.

Did you think Mozgov and J.R Smith would have the impact with Cleveland that they have?

Man are we talking about the same Chris Bosh?

Let me ask you this, if you had LeBron James and someone offered you Whiteside and Dragic for Lebron, would you take it?

More than likely no, but you still can't say for sure what impact Bosh could bring.

Did you think two first for Mozgov was a good deal? Did you think he would make a big diffrence? I for sure didn't, but it looks like it was a pretty smart trade.

We will never know, we just have our opinions, next year will give us a idea of what might have happened.

Just for the record I don't think Cleveland is going to win the Championship this year.

Don't argue with this troll, your wasting your breath.

Here's some food for thought though. We're not a playoff team with our current squad, add Bosh to the mix and we're definitely top 4 in the east and a legitimate contender. He's the perfect fit on any team with his skillset, most around here can't comprehend that.

[DetroitSho]

So you're saying a top 3-5 PF in the leauge might not make them a Championship contender? II'd think it would be alot of peoples picks to at least go to the ECF.

Nobody exactly knows how good it is would make them tho.

Did you think Mozgov and J.R Smith would have the impact with Cleveland that they have?

Man are we talking about the same Chris Bosh?

Let me ask you this, if you had LeBron James and someone offered you Whiteside and Dragic for Lebron, would you take it?

More than likely no, but you still can't say for sure what impact Bosh could bring.

Did you think two first for Mozgov was a good deal? Did you think he would make a big diffrence? I for sure didn't, but it looks like it was a pretty smart trade.

We will never know, we just have our opinions, next year will give us a idea of what might have happened.

Just for the record I don't think Cleveland is going to win the Championship this year.

This is my whole point. You wouldn't trade LeBron James for Whiteside/Dragic because he has a bigger impact on winning championships than those 2 combined. So the same team that got ran out the gym WITH Bosh and a higher impact player in Lebron, how could they lose Lebron and add 2 lesser players impact wise and be the favorite to win the championship? That's bass ackwards.

[joedumars1]

Man are we talking about the same Chris Bosh?

Let me ask you this, if you had LeBron James and someone offered you Whiteside and Dragic for Lebron, would you take it?

More than likely no, but you still can't say for sure what impact Bosh could bring.

Did you think two first for Mozgov was a good deal? Did you think he would make a big diffrence? I for sure didn't, but it looks like it was a pretty smart trade.

We will never know, we just have our opinions, next year will give us a idea of what might have happened.

Just for the record I don't think Cleveland is going to win the Championship this year.

This is my whole point. You wouldn't trade LeBron James for Whiteside/Dragic because he has a bigger impact on winning championships than those 2 combined. So the same team that got ran out the gym WITH Bosh and a higher impact player in Lebron, how could they lose Lebron and add 2 lesser players impact wise and be the favorite to win the championship? That's bass ackwards.

Idk if they would win it or get there, but Bosh would for sure help them alot toward that goal.

You have valid points, but it's just something we will never know, well at least for this year. This is probably going to be the year to beat Cleveland, considering it's the first year, Bron, Kyrie and Love came together.

[DetroitSho]

Well to be clear that was the original point I was disputing. It's a no brainer that Bosh would improve them. But it's beyond a reach to essentially say they're a better team than the GSW and the rest.

[chaldoking]

On what planet was the Heat the best team in the east? They were barely hanging on in the playoff race when Bosh went down and currently are not in the playoffs. Chris Bosh is certainly not the difference between best team in the east and the lottery.

Im saying if bosh didnt get hurt and they picked up dragic that really is best team in East.

A statement that conveniently isn't provable or disprovable.

I'm sure they would have been a lot better than they are now, but to say they'd be better than the Cavs and Hawks is pure speculation. Not impossible, but pure speculation.

Yea thats true about just being speculation.

[chaldoking]

Im saying if bosh didnt get hurt and they picked up dragic that really is best team in East.

A statement that conveniently isn't provable or disprovable.

I'm sure they would have been a lot better than they are now, but to say they'd be better than the Cavs and Hawks is pure speculation. Not impossible, but pure speculation.

Exactly. Without Bosh but WITH Dragic that team is still a lottery team. How can anyone believe the difference between a lottery team and a championship is Chris Bosh? Who seriously believes this?

Um, bosh is the 2nd best pf in the game behind lamarcus aldridge. You make it seem like its egregious to think they can't make that large of a jump. Give bosh his respect.

[DetroitSho]

A statement that conveniently isn't provable or disprovable.

I'm sure they would have been a lot better than they are now, but to say they'd be better than the Cavs and Hawks is pure speculation. Not impossible, but pure speculation.

Exactly. Without Bosh but WITH Dragic that team is still a lottery team. How can anyone believe the difference between a lottery team and a championship is Chris Bosh? Who seriously believes this?

Um, bosh is the 2nd best pf in the game behind lamarcus aldridge. You make it seem like its egregious to think they can't make that large of a jump. Give bosh his respect.

Well my question is answered. Only someone who actually believes Bosh is better than Anthony Davis could actually believe he's the difference between a lottery team and a championship. Gotcha.

[Collymore]

A statement that conveniently isn't provable or disprovable.

I'm sure they would have been a lot better than they are now, but to say they'd be better than the Cavs and Hawks is pure speculation. Not impossible, but pure speculation.

Exactly. Without Bosh but WITH Dragic that team is still a lottery team. How can anyone believe the difference between a lottery team and a championship is Chris Bosh? Who seriously believes this?

Um, bosh is the 2nd best pf in the game behind lamarcus aldridge. You make it seem like its egregious to think they can't make that large of a jump. Give bosh his respect.

Bosh is not the second best PF in the game and LMA is not the best.

[chaldoking]

Exactly. Without Bosh but WITH Dragic that team is still a lottery team. How can anyone believe the difference between a lottery team and a championship is Chris Bosh? Who seriously believes this?

Um, bosh is the 2nd best pf in the game behind lamarcus aldridge. You make it seem like its egregious to think they can't make that large of a jump. Give bosh his respect.

Well my question is answered. Only someone who actually believes Bosh is better than Anthony Davis could actually believe he's the difference between a lottery team and a championship. Gotcha.

We disagree on chris bosh. It is what it is.

Are they a lottery team with whiteside, dragic, wade, chalmers, deng and others for a full season?

I have my answers as well.