Bubble Guts - The Mo Williams Thread

LurkCobain · Post #141 » by **LurkCobain** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:24 pm

Radu_Hornets wrote:What happened between Mo and Cliff/Management ?

They smartened up and realized Mo is going back to Cleveland to be with his boyfriend Lebron next year. Why do you think Minny gave him up for GARY NEAL!?!? lol I read that b.s. as soon as I heard of the trade. Mo was never gonna stay here.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #142 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:36 pm

Both Mo and Neal are expirings, so that theory makes no sense.

LurkCobain · Post #143 » by **LurkCobain** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:44 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:Both Mo and Neal are expirings, so that theory makes no sense.

Re-read what I just typed. It doesn't matter that they both were expirings. Bank on what I just typed this offseason.

Post #144 » by **fatlever** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:19 pm

Hopefully Clifford explained the lack of minutes to Mo. We've always heard how Clifford is really good about communicating to the players why they are not playing. Mo shouldn't be too confused by us playing the younger guys once we've been eliminated. He's been around the league long enough to know how this works.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #145 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:34 pm

LurkCobain wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:Both Mo and Neal are expirings, so that theory makes no sense.

Re-read what I just typed. It doesn't matter that they both were expirings. Bank on what I just typed this offseason.

I mean, who cares if he's going back to Cleveland next season? I doubt they keep Neal either. So they were afraid of Mo walking, yet they traded for another guy on a one-year deal?

Post #146 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:42 pm

My personal theory is we don't resign Mo while Roberts is still on the roster. I think one of them is going to leave this offseason.

LurkCobain · Post #147 » by **LurkCobain** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:44 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
LurkCobain wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:Both Mo and Neal are expirings, so that theory makes no sense.

Re-read what I just typed. It doesn't matter that they both were expirings. Bank on what I just typed this offseason.

I mean, who cares if he's going back to Cleveland next season? I doubt they keep Neal either. So they were afraid of Mo walking, yet they traded for another guy on a one-year deal?

They knew he would walk, so they traded him and Troy for bum Neal and a 2038 second rounder. You're looking too hard into what I said. Nobody in their rich mind should trade Neal for mo straight up. Perhaps I should have led out my opinion about the trade and stuck with my main feeling that mo will not return to charlotte next year. Is that kosher? I mean opinions are ok on this board, right? I'm not a robot.

HornetJail · Post #148 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 9:49 pm

Mo is a journeyman. At best, it's 50/50 that he sticks around with us. We gave up next to nothing to get him and we got some solid production out of him. We'd probably have to give up that 2nd rounder just to dump Neal on any other team anyway, so it was a great bonus to get anything out of Mo at all. In the end, it didn't end up boosting us into the playoffs, but that's hardly Mo's fault. I'll have no hard feelings whether he stays or leaves, but my preference of course, is for him to stick around.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #149 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:07 pm

LurkCobain wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:
LurkCobain wrote:
Re-read what I just typed. It doesn't matter that they both were expirings. Bank on what I just typed this offseason.

I mean, who cares if he's going back to Cleveland next season? I doubt they keep Neal either. So they were afraid of Mo walking, yet they traded for another guy on a one-year deal?

They knew he would walk, so they traded him and Troy for bum Neal and a 2038 second rounder. You're looking too hard into what I said. Nobody in their rich mind should trade Neal for mo straight up. Perhaps I should have led out my opinion about the trade and stuck with my main feeling that mo will not return to charlotte next year. Is that kosher? I mean opinions are ok on this board, right? I'm not a robot.

Where did I say you couldn't have an opinion? I just didn't totally understand it. I also don't really agree, but that's just my opinion.

Elden Payton · Post #150 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:23 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:Mo is a journeyman. At best, it's 50/50 that he sticks around with us. We gave up next to nothing to get him and we got some solid production out of him. We'd probably have to give up that 2nd rounder just to dump Neal on any other team anyway, so it was a great bonus to get anything out of Mo at all. In the end, it didn't end up boosting us into the playoffs, but that's hardly Mo's fault. I'll have no hard feelings whether he stays or leaves, but my preference of course, is for him to stick around.

Troy Daniels was a good pick up too, even if mo walks it was a good trade imo.

HornetJail · Post #151 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:24 pm

Sik Infant wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:Mo is a journeyman. At best, it's 50/50 that he sticks around with us. We gave up next to nothing to get him and we got some solid production out of him. We'd probably have to give up that 2nd rounder just to dump Neal on any other team anyway, so it was a great bonus to get anything out of Mo at all. In the end, it didn't end up boosting us into the playoffs, but that's hardly Mo's fault. I'll have no hard feelings whether he stays or leaves, but my preference of course, is for him to stick around.

Troy Daniels was a good pick up too, even if mo walks it was a good trade imo.

Haven't been able to bring myself to watch a game lately- might do so tonight to see Troy Daniels and Noah Vonleh tear it up while everyone else goes 3-for-600. And I agree, I'd have traded that 2nd for Daniels alone, even without Mo. That trade was a win on several levels- especially since we never keep 2nd rounders anyway.

Elden Payton · Post #152 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:41 pm

BizGilwalker wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:Mo is a journeyman. At best, it's 50/50 that he sticks around with us. We gave up next to nothing to get him and we got some solid production out of him. We'd probably have to give up that 2nd rounder just to dump Neal on any other team anyway, so it was a great bonus to get anything out of Mo at all. In the end, it didn't end up boosting us into the playoffs, but that's hardly Mo's fault. I'll have no hard feelings whether he stays or leaves, but my preference of course, is for him to stick around.

Troy Daniels was a good pick up too, even if mo walks it was a good trade imo.

Haven't been able to bring myself to watch a game lately- might do so tonight to see Troy Daniels and Noah Vonleh tear it up while everyone else goes 3-for-600. And I agree, I'd have traded that 2nd for Daniels alone, even without Mo. That trade was a win on several levels- especially since we never keep 2nd rounders anyway.

I can understand why people are down on Cho but these types of deals are the reason that I really like him.

Daniels will need time to settle, along with opportunities, but he can shoot and we are desperate for #SPACING.

Having Daniels under contract for a mil also opens up the possibility of trading Hairston (which I wouldn't be against)

All in all, Cho did great on this deal imo.

Post #153 » by **JDR720** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:57 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/587765862179942400[/tweet]

HornetJail · Post #154 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:58 pm

JDR720 wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/rick_bonnell/status/587765862179942400[/tweet]

Surprised it didn't happen sooner- Mo was exhausted after his initial streak

Liver_Pooty · Post #155 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:52 am

Was fantastic as a starter. Not so much coming off the bench

Radu_Hornets · Post #156 » by **Radu_Hornets** » Sun May 31, 2015 8:39 am

Are we going to sign him back?

BeesWax · Post #157 » by **BeesWax** » Sun May 31, 2015 1:31 pm

I think a lot of what we do in the draft will determine what we do with Mo.

BuzzCat · Post #158 » by **BuzzCat** » Sun May 31, 2015 3:02 pm

Think we should look at some younger back up point guards in free agency for a more long term thing. Normally on 2k I go with Kendall Marshall lol. If we can't find one i'll take Mo back tho.

Post #159 » by **fatlever** » Sun May 31, 2015 5:27 pm

If hendo opts in to his deal, we only have the MLE to use on free agents. Do we have Mo's bird rights? I Guess we could sign him to something like a 2/10 deal. Go over the cap, then use the MLE to bring in a wing or another big man.

need a BoB fact check on this.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #160 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:48 pm

fatlever wrote:If hendo opts in to his deal, we only have the MLE to use on free agents. Do we have Mo's bird rights? I Guess we could sign him to something like a 2/10 deal. Go over the cap, then use the MLE to bring in a wing or another big man.

need a BoB fact check on this.

Just his "Non-Bird" rights since he was only under contract one year. Still, we can give him up to 120% more than he made last year ($3,965,074), so that's $4,758,089 next season. The deal can be up to 4 years with 4.5% raises, so year 2 could be $4,972,203.

In other words, almost: 2-year deal would be worth $9,730,292.