The Push For The Playoffs

[MrDollarBills]

If JUST NEEDING TO WIN was so FREAKEN important, Hollins should have thought about this months ago when he refused to realize that DWill and Lopez combo was the way to WIN.
Not the Jack-Plumlee, Plumlee-Lopez, Jack-Dwill or even the Jack-Joe combos. Hollins should have thought about this when he had Dwill and Lopez riding the bench and Jack CHUCKING up shots.

The worse part of NOT making the playoffs is HOLLINS will still be around next year.

I really hope BKing gets rid of the JJs. Nets have always needed young defensive Guards and SFs before the move to brooklyn to play with DWill and Lopez. Unfortunately, BKing and Ownership were looking for BIG names instead of going after unknowns like Wes Matthews and drafting young guards and SFs.

I still can not understand how Hollins mismanaged Lopez and Williams so badly and later depended on them to make the playoffs and save his job. The only good thing about missing the playoffs is that Hollins would not be back. Or at least he shouldn't be. I am not sure if Prokorof is willing to add another coaching salary.

Hold on...Hollins mismanaged Lopez and Williams?

Both players played like **** for a bulk of the season.

Seriously, how many coaches do you want to come through this franchise before the blame starts falling at the feet of the players and the inept GM?

Was Hollins the reason that Lopez was getting outhustled and owned by a 35 year old Pau Gasol? I mean Gasol looked like he was running a track meet last night

Was Hollins the reason that Williams can't make any of his shots? In the last three games Deron the Dog is shooting an appalling 20% FROM THE FIELD.


And I don't even want to get started on Joe Johnson.

But please. Blame Hollins.

[Zachbretton]

If JUST NEEDING TO WIN was so FREAKEN important, Hollins should have thought about this months ago when he refused to realize that DWill and Lopez combo was the way to WIN.
Not the Jack-Plumlee, Plumlee-Lopez, Jack-Dwill or even the Jack-Joe combos. Hollins should have thought about this when he had Dwill and Lopez riding the bench and Jack CHUCKING up shots.

The worse part of NOT making the playoffs is HOLLINS will still be around next year.

I really hope BKing gets rid of the JJs. Nets have always needed young defensive Guards and SFs before the move to brooklyn to play with DWill and Lopez. Unfortunately, BKing and Ownership were looking for BIG names instead of going after unknowns like Wes Matthews and drafting young guards and SFs.

I still can not understand how Hollins mismanaged Lopez and Williams so badly and later depended on them to make the playoffs and save his job. The only good thing about missing the playoffs is that Hollins would not be back. Or at least he shouldn't be. I am not sure if Prokorof is willing to add another coaching salary.

Hold on...Hollins mismanaged Lopez and Williams?

Both players played like **** for a bulk of the season.

Seriously, how many coaches do you want to come through this franchise before the blame starts falling at the feet of the players and the inept GM?

Was Hollins the reason that Lopez was getting outhustled and owned by a 35 year old Pau Gasol? I mean Gasol looked like he was running a track meet last night

Was Hollins the reason that Williams can't make any of his shots? In the last three games Deron the Dog is shooting an appalling 20% FROM THE FIELD.


And I don't even want to get started on Joe Johnson.

But please. Blame Hollins.

HAHAHAH! I was JUST about to write this... I hate that after seasons of different coaches finding the SAME issues with our "big three" it's still our Coaches fault time and time again

[Zachbretton]

If the Pacers and the Celtics both win tonight, then these are the possible outcomes in the standings for what happens on April 15th:
Heat eliminated
Pacers win (other outcomes wouldn't matter anymore)
7 - Celtics
8 - Pacers
9 - Nets Eliminated
Pacers lose + Nets win
7 - Celtics
8 - Nets
9 - Pacers Eliminated
Pacers lose + Nets lose
7 - Celtics
8 - Pacers
9 - Nets Eliminated
If the Pacers win and the Celtics lose tonight, then these are the possible outcomes in the standings for what happens on April 15th:
Heat eliminated
Pacers win + Celtics win
7 - Celtics
8 - Pacers
9 - Nets Eliminated
Pacers win + Celtics lose
7 - Pacers
8 - Celtics
9 - Nets Eliminated
Pacers lose + Nets win
7 - Celtics
8 - Nets
9 - Pacers Eliminated
Pacers lose + Nets lose
7 - Celtics
8 - Pacers
9 - Nets Eliminated
If the Pacers lose tonight, the outcome from the Celtics-game doesnt matter, and then these will be the possible outcomes in the standing for what happens on April 15th:
Celtics clinched #7
Nets win (other outcomes wouldn't matter anymore)
7 - Celtics
8 - Nets
9 - Pacers Eliminated
10- Heat Eliminated
Pacers win + Nets lose (other outcomes wouldn't matter anymore)
7 - Celtics
8 - Pacers
9 - Nets Eliminated
10- Heat Eliminated
Pacers lose + Nets lose + Heat win
7 - Celtics
8 - Heat
9 - Nets Eliminated
10- Pacers Eliminated
Pacers lose + Nets lose + Heat lose
7 - Celtics
8 - Nets
9 - Pacers Eliminated
10- Heat Eliminated

Thanks to Robbert98 on r/NBA for this, stole it because it looked helpful

[HotShots]

SOME GOOOOOOOD NEWS!

Wizards won't rest players vs Pacers on Tues
The Wizards reportedly won't rest John Wall or any other players during Tuesday's game against the Pacers.
The Pacers bounced the Wizards from the playoffs last season and John Wall and his teammates now have a chance to keep the Pacers from making this year's playoffs. "We feel like we owe them from last year," Wall said. While Wall, Bradley Beal, Paul Pierce, and other Wizards starters will play on Tuesday night, look for them to see decreased minutes as the Wizards don't have playoff positioning on the line.

[VinBaker6]

SOME GOOOOOOOD NEWS!

Wizards won't rest players vs Pacers on Tues
The Wizards reportedly won't rest John Wall or any other players during Tuesday's game against the Pacers.
The Pacers bounced the Wizards from the playoffs last season and John Wall and his teammates now have a chance to keep the Pacers from making this year's playoffs. "We feel like we owe them from last year," Wall said. While Wall, Bradley Beal, Paul Pierce, and other Wizards starters will play on Tuesday night, look for them to see decreased minutes as the Wizards don't have playoff positioning on the line.

Tbh the Wizards just aren't very good, whether they try or not. I could very easily see Indy win with the Wiz trying.

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[SIC]

If JUST NEEDING TO WIN was so FREAKEN important, Hollins should have thought about this months ago when he refused to realize that DWill and Lopez combo was the way to WIN.
Not the Jack-Plumlee, Plumlee-Lopez, Jack-Dwill or even the Jack-Joe combos. Hollins should have thought about this when he had Dwill and Lopez riding the bench and Jack CHUCKING up shots.

The worse part of NOT making the playoffs is HOLLINS will still be around next year.

I really hope BKing gets rid of the JJs. Nets have always needed young defensive Guards and SFs before the move to brooklyn to play with DWill and Lopez. Unfortunately, BKing and Ownership were looking for BIG names instead of going after unknowns like Wes Matthews and drafting young guards and SFs.

I still can not understand how Hollins mismanaged Lopez and Williams so badly and later depended on them to make the playoffs and save his job. The only good thing about missing the playoffs is that Hollins would not be back. Or at least he shouldn't be. I am not sure if Prokorof is willing to add another coaching salary.

Hold on...Hollins mismanaged Lopez and Williams?

Both players played like **** for a bulk of the season.

Seriously, how many coaches do you want to come through this franchise before the blame starts falling at the feet of the players and the inept GM?

Was Hollins the reason that Lopez was getting outhustled and owned by a 35 year old Pau Gasol? I mean Gasol looked like he was running a track meet last night

Was Hollins the reason that Williams can't make any of his shots? In the last three games Deron the Dog is shooting an appalling 20% FROM THE FIELD.


And I don't even want to get started on Joe Johnson.

But please. Blame Hollins.

Of course Hollins mismanaged them. The mismanagement started way before the last two games. Nets should NEVER had been in this position in the first place.

This is how Hollins mismanaged this team.

When Hollins FIRST started, Hollins said he was going to create a system based on the talent on the team.

July, 2014
“But I think that was a huge thing that jumped out at me. Style is important, identity is important and you have to create whatever style and identity with the group that you have.”

"You have to build on what is there and play to the talents of the group that you have, and we’re going to try to do that. We’re going to try to create a system that works for the majority of the guys, especially the ones that are the nucleus.”

http://tikiandtierney.radio.cbssports.c ... -identity/

It took Hollins months to finally figure out what the talents are on this team were and how this team should play. .


Then you have some clear issues that were NOT addressed earlier before the trade deadline.

October, 2014

"I want to play at a little quicker pace than they even played at, than we played at in Memphis," Hollins said.
http://www.netsdaily.com/2014/10/7/6926 ... -pace-fast

Hollins wanted to play at a quicker pace but refuse to admit that starting KG at PF was slowing down the offense and didnt try to make a change as the season went a long until the trade happened.

Then you have the most obvious issue, the Jack and Williams combo.

Since Dec. Hollins knew that the Jack and Williams combo has been bad but still pushed his agenda.

December, 2014
“All year long, Deron and Jarrett haven’t been very good together. I can’t explain why. It’s just the way the numbers have bore out. But sometimes you have to go that way. Sometimes it’s been good, but overall it hasn’t been.”
http://nypost.com/2014/12/30/hollins-kn ... wont-work/

Yeah the past two games have been bad and the players need to take some blame, but this season is lost because Hollins is just as much responsible for this as the players are.

[Shook Jones]

Gotta dump Joe Dwill and Plumlee. They all fold when **** gets real. Joe has to go into Iso mode or he is invisible. Dwill is just finished mentally and physically. Plumlee for the 2nd straight season has faded after the allstar break.

Bojan I will give some leeway cause he's a rookie.

Damn embarrassment of a team.

[Paradise]

Then you have the most obvious issue, the Jack and Williams combo.

Since Dec. Hollins knew that the Jack and Williams combo has been bad but still pushed his agenda.

December, 2014
“All year long, Deron and Jarrett haven’t been very good together. I can’t explain why. It’s just the way the numbers have bore out. But sometimes you have to go that way. Sometimes it’s been good, but overall it hasn’t been.”
http://nypost.com/2014/12/30/hollins-kn ... wont-work/

Yeah the past two games have been bad and the players need to take some blame, but this season is lost because Hollins is just as much responsible for this as the players are.

I don't think anybody is disputing that the Jack/Deron combo sucks and Hollins is wrong for keep using it but we blown out in Atlanta, blown out in Milwaukee and he barely used the combo when those leads were built. He's openly admitted to refraining from using those two together.

We've been getting outplayed with or without that lineup on the floor.

[Dirk]

This looks pretty bleak. With the Grizzles loss, that will likely mean they'll rest guys up against the Pacers. At this stage, it's pretty much the Pacers turn to choke away the playoff place.

I've watched the games against the Hornets/Celtics/Bucks/Bulls. All very important games. Embarrassing performances, there's something seriously wrong with these guys. I know they had a few nice wins to get back into contention some weeks back, but now that they see the finish line right there... they just melt and can't play anymore. Hard to understand. Deron and Johnson in particular... it's pretty bizarre how they didn't give anything in games that were so vital.

[kerry kittles]

The excuse for Deron need to stop:
2011-12 - lockout shortended season. Brook breaks his foot and basically misses the season. Team is god awful. After 2012 we get Joe, Brook is back. There is talk how he will come out strong as we surrounded him with more talent.

2012-13 Deron has an awful start to the season. It's the wrist, it's the ankles. He doesn't come close to making the All Star Game - Brook is the lone representative. He's great the 2nd half of the season, but cannot lead us over the Bulls. The 2nd half inspires hope and we bring in Pierce and KG. All this talk about all the weapons he will have at his disposal; playing alongside Paul, Joe, KG, Brook.

2013-14 Another disappointing start to the season and he's missing games because of his ankles - missed half the games in 2013. The whole team is in a funk, nothing is working. Then Brook gets hurt, we go small, things get better. Joe is the lone representative in the ASG. WE make the playoffs as the 6 seed. Deron is inconsistent during the Raptors series. Some good games, some games where he doesn't show up. He is awful against the Heat: highlighted by the 0 point performance that everyone's talking about: Kobe, signs outside Barclays. Deron finally opts to get surgery on his ankles. There's hope that he will come back strong as he's finally healthy.

2014-15 He starts off the year strong winning player of the week. People are optimistic. He declines throughout leading up to his injury in December. He is 30/100 from the field in the 9 games before his injury. Games he started before the Jack experiment grows legs. We win the two games Deron misses and Hollins starts riding the hot hand Jack. Six games after returning and Deron suffers the rib injury and the team struggles big time. He comes back strong the first couple games from injury and then reverts back to poor play leading in the break. Comes out great with Jack hurt after the break, reverts back to poor play and then has a flurish of good play for a couple weeks before two awful games in a must win situation. It's constantly Jack and Deron problems. Jack the cancer, the black hole. It is true, undeniable, Jack and Deron don't work well together at all. However, over the course of the season: Deron has had different roles: look at the numbers before he missed those two games in December when he was a starter, not playing much with Jack.

He has the worst PER since his rookie season, his true shooting % is the worst since his rookie year. He's struggled with his shot: can't finish at the rim, can't hit outside shots.

In summary here's the excuses since Deron's been here: poor teammates, his wrist, his ankle, coaching, not the right teammates. It's time to stop deflecting the blame. We gave this guy a max contract: invested in him for 5 years and our ROI has been awful. so no we shouldn't spend the offseason looking to trade players to get the right guys to surround him with. We should be positioning ourselves to bring in the right players in 2016 and get rid of him.

[Prokorov]

I still think Nets will make the playoffs.
Nets will beat the Magic and the Grizzlies will beat the Pacers on the final day.
I suggest double game thread for Wednesday.

only way we get in is if pacers and heat lose out

we will NOT beat orlando.

I dunno, I still see us beating them, even if it's an ugly as **** game. I think this all depends on the Pacers losing one game.

I'm not saying the Magic game is a shoe-in, but I like our chances better than our chances in the past two games.

I think we end with a 38-44 record. So either a loss tonight or tomorrow from the Pacers would make a big difference in our hopes

its not impossible, but even 2 weeks ago i pegged the orlando game as one most likely to lose, especially if we needed to win it. i have no confidence. im basically rooting for indy to go 2-0 and miami to lose to philly

[Prokorov]

I still can not understand how Hollins mismanaged Lopez and Williams so badly and later depended on them to make the playoffs and save his job. The only good thing about missing the playoffs is that Hollins would not be back. Or at least he shouldn't be. I am not sure if Prokorof is willing to add another coaching salary.

he didnt mismanaged them. williams has been god awful all year. and lopez was a horrible 15/6 player taking 30% of his shots from 16+ feet until hollins beat him down and finally got him to play tough and inside.

this notion that had hollins not managed lopez so tough, that he would be a 24/10 player all year is pretty riddiculous. especially considering that we have already seen teams make adjustments to lopez and the last few he has reverted back to being more of a jumpshooter.

lopez was a beast for 4 weeks carrying us. but to think the only thing that stopped him from being an MVP candidate this year was hollins "mismanagement" of him is ludacris.

williams is horrible, we were at our worst earlier in the year with him given free reign. and really has hasnt been all that great this past month either

[MrDollarBills]

I still can not understand how Hollins mismanaged Lopez and Williams so badly and later depended on them to make the playoffs and save his job. The only good thing about missing the playoffs is that Hollins would not be back. Or at least he shouldn't be. I am not sure if Prokorof is willing to add another coaching salary.

Hold on...Hollins mismanaged Lopez and Williams?

Both players played like **** for a bulk of the season.

Seriously, how many coaches do you want to come through this franchise before the blame starts falling at the feet of the players and the inept GM?

Was Hollins the reason that Lopez was getting outhustled and owned by a 35 year old Pau Gasol? I mean Gasol looked like he was running a track meet last night

Was Hollins the reason that Williams can't make any of his shots? In the last three games Deron the Dog is shooting an appalling 20% FROM THE FIELD.


And I don't even want to get started on Joe Johnson.

But please. Blame Hollins.

Of course Hollins mismanaged them. The mismanagement started way before the last two games. Nets should NEVER had been in this position in the first place.

This is how Hollins mismanaged this team.

When Hollins FIRST started, Hollins said he was going to create a system based on the talent on the team.

July, 2014
“But I think that was a huge thing that jumped out at me. Style is important, identity is important and you have to create whatever style and identity with the group that you have.”

"You have to build on what is there and play to the talents of the group that you have, and we’re going to try to do that. We’re going to try to create a system that works for the majority of the guys, especially the ones that are the nucleus.”

http://tikiandtierney.radio.cbssports.c ... -identity/

It took Hollins months to finally figure out what the talents are on this team were and how this team should play. .


Then you have some clear issues that were NOT addressed earlier before the trade deadline.

October, 2014

"I want to play at a little quicker pace than they even played at, than we played at in Memphis," Hollins said.
http://www.netsdaily.com/2014/10/7/6926 ... -pace-fast

Hollins wanted to play at a quicker pace but refuse to admit that starting KG at PF was slowing down the offense and didnt try to make a change as the season went a long until the trade happened.

Then you have the most obvious issue, the Jack and Williams combo.

Since Dec. Hollins knew that the Jack and Williams combo has been bad but still pushed his agenda.

December, 2014
“All year long, Deron and Jarrett haven’t been very good together. I can’t explain why. It’s just the way the numbers have bore out. But sometimes you have to go that way. Sometimes it’s been good, but overall it hasn’t been.”
http://nypost.com/2014/12/30/hollins-kn ... wont-work/

Yeah the past two games have been bad and the players need to take some blame, but this season is lost because Hollins is just as much responsible for this as the players are.

I am not excusing the Jack/Deron the Dog combo. No one said his rotations and decision making were above reproach

But we are seeing the same **** from this team for the 3rd year in a row...the usual suspects can't be bothered to show up in big games. Yet, we're blaming the coach

again...please answer me why Joe Johnson has been racking up a career high of single digit games. Answer me why D-Will is shooting 20% from the field in must win games.

it isn't Hollins.

[Prokorov]

only way we get in is if pacers and heat lose out

we will NOT beat orlando.

Come on. No reason to be so negative. There is no way Nets can play so bad for three games in a row.
Not to mention that their season would be on the line.

we have played this bad or worse for much longer then 3 games in a row SEVERAL times this year

our season being on the line is one of the biggest reasons i think we will lose. this team has no spine and always lays down in big games. only exception was game 7 last year but that was mostly veterans like pierce and KG getting it done and with no lopez on the team.

[Prokorov]

All evidence has pointed to Hollins being the coach atleast for the next year and probably further. This organization is TIRED of coaching switches and have finally realized it wasn't the coach but the players, so expect them to build around Hollins and thus these issues wont be as glaring for seasons to come

I do not think they realized anything. I believe its a financial decision. Which of course is the bad news for the organization. If they were able to realize anything, they would have fired Hollins and King.

it is not financially motivated in any way. especially since coaches salary doesnt count towards the luxury tax.

the players are the issue. that is abundantly clear.

-we dont have a single 2 way player on the roster
-our top 3 players are all guys who cant be a #1 or #2 option on a contending team
-our role players are among the worst in the league
-our best players dont play with constant effort
-we have no shooting on the roster

we made excuse after excuse. now its clear after 5 coaches that its not the coach, it is the players. thankfully its likely all 3 of brook/dwill/joe will be gone before or after next season(brook opt-out, joe trade/expire, dwill stretched)

[Prokorov]

I still can not understand how Hollins mismanaged Lopez and Williams so badly and later depended on them to make the playoffs and save his job. The only good thing about missing the playoffs is that Hollins would not be back. Or at least he shouldn't be. I am not sure if Prokorof is willing to add another coaching salary.

I knew from the day Nets signed Hollins that Hollins would outlast DWill, JJ and Lopez. What I didnt know is that Hollins was such a TERRIBLE COACH.

Yes there have been positives with Hollins, but there have been more negatives with him. I dont want to put full blame on the coach. The players have to get some blame too, but Hollins is an enabler too.

JJ and Jack should have been benched a number of times. If you can have the audacity to bench Lopez, there is no reason to NOT bench JJ and Jack even if Hollins used the REST excuse to not ruin his STUPID agenda.

It is unfortunate that Nets fans are going to have to endure at least one more year of this Hollins NONSENSE.

Hopefully before the 2016 season when Nets have money to build a new team there is some changes especially at the coaching position unlike when BKing had the chance to get rid of Avery before the move to brooklyn.

hollins has benched jack, and his minutes usage has decreased drastically month to month from jan through april.

JJ is tougher to bench, since we really dont have another SF on the roster and have little at SG.

[kerry kittles]

All evidence has pointed to Hollins being the coach atleast for the next year and probably further. This organization is TIRED of coaching switches and have finally realized it wasn't the coach but the players, so expect them to build around Hollins and thus these issues wont be as glaring for seasons to come

I do not think they realized anything. I believe its a financial decision. Which of course is the bad news for the organization. If they were able to realize anything, they would have fired Hollins and King.

it is not financially motivated in any way. especially since coaches salary doesnt count towards the luxury tax.

the players are the issue. that is abundantly clear.

-we dont have a single 2 way player on the roster
-our top 3 players are all guys who cant be a #1 or #2 option on a contending team
-our role players are among the worst in the league
-our best players dont play with constant effort
-we have no shooting on the roster

we made excuse after excuse. now its clear after 5 coaches that its not the coach, it is the players. thankfully its likely all 3 of brook/dwill/joe will be gone before or after next season(brook opt-out, joe trade/expire, dwill stretched)

I think a number of the problems you list are Billy King's fault along with the players fault so I wouldn't go so far as to say it's all on the players.

This team was capped out in the offseason because of all stupid short sided moves King made. We don't have good role players, rookies, etc because of Billy King's moronic decisions. We don't have 3 point shooting either because King didn't any add any shooters.

[Prokorov]

Of course Hollins mismanaged them. The mismanagement started way before the last two games. Nets should NEVER had been in this position in the first place.

we shouldnt have ever been in this position.... but the reason we are is because of the players, not hollins

When Hollins FIRST started, Hollins said he was going to create a system based on the talent on the team.

July, 2014
“But I think that was a huge thing that jumped out at me. Style is important, identity is important and you have to create whatever style and identity with the group that you have.”

"You have to build on what is there and play to the talents of the group that you have, and we’re going to try to do that. We’re going to try to create a system that works for the majority of the guys, especially the ones that are the nucleus.”

http://tikiandtierney.radio.cbssports.c ... -identity/

It took Hollins months to finally figure out what the talents are on this team were and how this team should play. .

no, it took hollins months to get these guys to play with effort and to play to their strengths. he literally had to beat down lopez until he decided to play like a man instead of a school girl and start playing inside.

Yeah the past two games have been bad and the players need to take some blame, but this season is lost because Hollins is just as much responsible for this as the players are.

its onestly 90% players 10% hollins.

its not hollins fault we are 30th in the NBA in unconstested jump shots. its not his fault we are 29th in the NBA in 3 point shooting. its not his fault deron williams became a 38% shooter. it isnt his fault that we dont have a single 2 way player on the roster.

he started dwill/lopez/jj to start the year. they sucked horribly. he then went to plumlee and jack. they didnt hold up. he went back to dwill and lopez, who again sucked. the reality is, hollins has tried EVERYTHING and nothing really panned out... i mean:

at PG he started: jack, dwill
at SG he started: Brown, Bogs, Karasev, Anderson
at PF he started: KG, Plumlee, Thad, Johnson
at C he started: Lopez, Plumlee

he has tried pretty much every starting lineup possible. none worked for any extended period. he tried all kinds of rotaitons. none of them worked. the bottom line is that for 3/4 of the season we had nothing at SG and nothing at PF. thats 40% of our starting lineup being awful with no depth at those spots either.

it wasnt really until we got thad that things turned around, Lopez was an enormous part of the reason but having a legit player at PF was part of it too. think about how bad we are at PF when thad sits... thats basically what we had starting for 70% of the year.

yet lets blame hollins because of a roster full of sub .500 talent finishing with a sub .500 record.

[Prokorov]

I don't think anybody is disputing that the Jack/Deron combo sucks and Hollins is wrong for keep using it but we blown out in Atlanta, blown out in Milwaukee and he barely used the combo when those leads were built. He's openly admitted to refraining from using those two together.

We've been getting outplayed with or without that lineup on the floor.

Yup... and the notion that hollins "refuses not to play them together is just wrong.... he has drastically cut jacks minutes

jan - 35 mpg (starter)
feb - 32 mpg(started some, then benched)
mar - 25 mpg (no starts)
apr - 17 mpg (no starts)

also it isnt possible to really never play them together, considering karasev was hurt, bogs needs to play some SF, and brown was 2nd round rookie and we dont really have anyone who can shoot or handle the ball outside of dwill/jack. also, when dwill was hurt, you can have darius morris playing 35 minutes. so jack kind of had to start.

hollins has his faults for sure. but honestly, we dont have much talent on this team, and the talent we do have is all 1 way talent and we lack severaly in several areas as a team (shooting, ball handling, interior defense, perimeter defense)

[Prokorov]

[quote="Dirk Nowitzki"]This looks pretty bleak. With the Grizzles loss, that will likely mean they'll rest guys up against the Pacers. At this stage, it's pretty much the Pacers turn to choke away the playoff place.

I've watched the games against the Hornets/Celtics/Bucks/Bulls. All very important games. Embarrassing performances, there's something seriously wrong with these guys. I know they had a few nice wins to get back into contention some weeks back, but now that they see the finish line right there... they just melt and can't play anymore. Hard to understand. Deron and Johnson in particular... it's pretty bizarre how they didn't give anything in games that were so vital.[/quote
our "big 3" have been that way since day 1 in brooklyn. outside of Joe going beastmode on toronto none of them have given us anything in big games, and have often show 0 urgency, intensity, or competitiveness.

those guys are all suited better as 3rd tier guys next to a couple alpha dogs, lopez actually is an odd case, cause he is most useful as a #1 option, but at the same time if he is your #1 option you likely wont go far. too easy to take the ball out of his hands and his D can be ugly at times. lopez is best playing as the #1 option on a team with 4 elite 2 way players. like if you swaped him with milsap on the hawks and put teague/carrol/korver/horford/lopez could work with brook as the #1 option. brook and joe need to be 3rd/4th option role guys