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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#321 » by DY_nasty » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:42 pm

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DY_nasty wrote:I honestly don't think he knows the difference between a good shot and a bad one. Nor does he understand the need to use clock efficiently - these last couple of games the ball just stays with him for longer than some teams' entire possessions. A lot of it is self-inflicted... I don't even think he's a horrible shooter anymore. I just think he's got the worst shot selection of any starting PG not named Zach Lavine. Kemba routinely puts himself in horrible positions to take shots then doesn't understand why the shot isn't falling.

So the other 4 players on the floor standing around with their thumbs up their asses, no ball movement, and no plan of attack, then kicking the ball back to Kemba with 5 seconds on the shot clock is called "Kemba putting himself in horrible positions"? Kemba's off-ball movement isn't phenomenal and his shot selection isn't CP3-like or anything, but this is unfair.

That happens too. I've never said otherwise. There's just plenty of times where he's doing his own thing for a while, kicks to a guy who can't move against the defense, gets the ball back and he's doing it all over again. Nothing Kemba does really forces a defense to move. Before it kinda happened by itself because people liked to throw traps at Kemba high and early (and he'd split them at a really high %) but there's really no point anymore.

Kemba dribbles the hell out of the ball and really doesn't even do anything outside of test the defense at the top of the 3pt line for 4-7 seconds. When's the last time you've seen Kemba drive baseline? Just doing that by itself would force the defense to move.

But seriously though - I don't think Kemba even understands what a bad shot is. He fades for no reason all the time, his feet are a dice roll on every pull-up jumper too. When he's taking good rhythm shots he just looks way better its just that he seemingly goes out of his way to make shots harder.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#322 » by Braggins » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:56 pm

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catch20two wrote:Indeed we need a star player like every team does. But I don't think we need a star SG for Kemba and MKG to coexist, just one that can and will shoot the 3. I'll try to look up the numbers but I know that the 2 aren't a net negative on the floor together. I wonder what 3-man lineups with a particular SG have helped them succeed offensively.

If you were talking MKG only I would agree with "can shoot the 3" ... but given Kemba's weaknesses as a passer I would add that having good court vision, being an able and willing passer, and size to my list of requirements for a SG/SF to really make things work on that end.

Remember that time when Kemba was averaging over 7 assist for like a month or two?

The argument has probably moved past this point, but I still want to point something out that seems to have been forgotten. It was actually longer than a month. He averaged over 7 assists after the all-star break last season.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#323 » by yosemiteben » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:56 pm

DY_nasty wrote:But seriously though - I don't think Kemba even understands what a bad shot is. He fades for no reason all the time, his feet are a dice roll on every pull-up jumper too. When he's taking good rhythm shots he just looks way better its just that he seemingly goes out of his way to make shots harder.

This, completely agree. He fades back or to the side on uncontested jumpers all the time, I don't understand it.

You'd think given his poor shooting %'s that he'd fix this.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#324 » by catch20two » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:14 pm

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Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:If you were talking MKG only I would agree with "can shoot the 3" ... but given Kemba's weaknesses as a passer I would add that having good court vision, being an able and willing passer, and size to my list of requirements for a SG/SF to really make things work on that end.

Remember that time when Kemba was averaging over 7 assist for like a month or two?

The argument has probably moved past this point, but I still want to point something out that seems to have been forgotten. It was actually longer than a month. He averaged over 7 assists after the all-star break last season.

That was around the time when CDR filled in for a injured Hendo at SG for a few weeks and our offense plateaued to another level. A tiny part of that was CDR stretching the floor with 3s.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#325 » by Elden Payton » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:39 pm

We make more excuses for Kemba than any other player in our existence as an expansion franchise.

Kemba is no star and needs to quit pretending he is one.

we really should trade him, if he plays like this next season then we are stuck with him.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#326 » by catch20two » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:48 pm

Sik Infant wrote:We make more excuses for Kemba than any other player in our existence as an expansion franchise.

Kemba is no star and needs to quit pretending he is one.

we really should trade him, if he plays like this next season then we are stuck with him.

I agree. Wasn't making a excuse for Kemba. Was just saying that our offense got a boost with CDR in the lineup for a sec. I'm on record in total agreement that we should trade him.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#327 » by Elden Payton » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:54 pm

catch20two wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:We make more excuses for Kemba than any other player in our existence as an expansion franchise.

Kemba is no star and needs to quit pretending he is one.

we really should trade him, if he plays like this next season then we are stuck with him.

I agree. Wasn't making a excuse for Kemba. Was just saying that our offense got a boost with CDR in the lineup for a sec. I'm on record in total agreement that we should trade him.


It was a generalization and not directed at you.

I'm guilty of it myself.

It's a t a point where something needs to be done imo.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#328 » by yosemiteben » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:57 pm

Does anyone think adding shooters is less important than a possible Kemba trade? I think PG should be pretty low on our list of priorities right now.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#329 » by Braggins » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:00 am

yosemiteben wrote:Does anyone think adding shooters is less important than a possible Kemba trade? I think PG should be pretty low on our list of priorities right now.

Definitely. Its pretty silly that some people talk about it like its a pressing issue or something that is holding us back.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#330 » by Elden Payton » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:06 am

people surely need to recognise that yes, PG is a massive issue right now.

Kemba cannot shoot

Kemba cannot finish at the rim

Kemba struggles to score efficiently

Kemba lacks playmaking

Kemba struggles to make his team mates better

Kemba isn't playing defense
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Kemba is fast becoming one of the worst starting PG's in the league and his contract is horrendous for what he produces.

I was looking at Kemba's game logs the other day and they are absolutely ridiculously bad.

Next season will be his fifth season and he will be 26 years old, he's peaked as a player imo.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#331 » by HornetJail » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:09 am

yosemiteben wrote:Does anyone think adding shooters is less important than a possible Kemba trade? I think PG should be pretty low on our list of priorities right now.

Yeah, even if we shipped off Kemba (which would be a big mistake), we wouldn't have any more shooters than before- we then also lose our only guy that could go off for 25 more than once a month (assuming Al opts out). If Kemba had Wesley Matthews and LaMarcus Aldridge next to him and shot like this, we'd have a real problem. We all thought Al Jefferson and Lance Stephenson were going to help Kemba along, but they only hurt Kemba. I'm a little disappointed that Kemba couldn't make the jump this season, but I'm still a very long way away from wanting him gone.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#332 » by JDR720 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:22 am

Kembas PPS (points per shot) is 20th among the 25 qualified PG's this season at 1.10, that is just .14 behind Ty Lawson who is 10th.

If he can shoot 41% that should get him to 1.15 that would get him to around 17th which is fine IMO.

PG's are usually the least efficient scorers in the NBA due to size and the shots they take.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#333 » by yosemiteben » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:23 am

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yosemiteben wrote:Does anyone think adding shooters is less important than a possible Kemba trade? I think PG should be pretty low on our list of priorities right now.

Yeah, even if we shipped off Kemba (which would be a big mistake), we wouldn't have any more shooters than before- we then also lose our only guy that could go off for 25 more than once a month (assuming Al opts out). If Kemba had Wesley Matthews and LaMarcus Aldridge next to him and shot like this, we'd have a real problem. We all thought Al Jefferson and Lance Stephenson were going to help Kemba along, but they only hurt Kemba. I'm a little disappointed that Kemba couldn't make the jump this season, but I'm still a very long way away from wanting him gone.

I hear the arguments being made otherwise, but this is pretty much where I am.

There is also the reality that he's not getting traded at this point so I don't see the point in constantly arguing for it, but even if he might be I think it's a much lower priority than adding shooters and figuring out our big man rotation going forward.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#334 » by catch20two » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:30 am

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yosemiteben wrote:Does anyone think adding shooters is less important than a possible Kemba trade? I think PG should be pretty low on our list of priorities right now.

Yeah, even if we shipped off Kemba (which would be a big mistake), we wouldn't have any more shooters than before- we then also lose our only guy that could go off for 25 more than once a month (assuming Al opts out). If Kemba had Wesley Matthews and LaMarcus Aldridge next to him and shot like this, we'd have a real problem. We all thought Al Jefferson and Lance Stephenson were going to help Kemba along, but they only hurt Kemba. I'm a little disappointed that Kemba couldn't make the jump this season, but I'm still a very long way away from wanting him gone.

I hear the arguments being made otherwise, but this is pretty much where I am.

There is also the reality that he's not getting traded at this point so I don't see the point in constantly arguing for it, but even if he might be I think it's a much lower priority than adding shooters and figuring out our big man rotation going forward.

We can trade him while he still has a little value like Philly did Jrue Holiday. I bet the Pelicans couldn't trade Jrue now for the package they traded to get him 2 years ago. That's all me and Sik are tryna say.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#335 » by yosemiteben » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:33 am

He's not going to get less value than he has right now IMO.
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Post#336 » by Elden Payton » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:40 am

catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:Yeah, even if we shipped off Kemba (which would be a big mistake), we wouldn't have any more shooters than before- we then also lose our only guy that could go off for 25 more than once a month (assuming Al opts out). If Kemba had Wesley Matthews and LaMarcus Aldridge next to him and shot like this, we'd have a real problem. We all thought Al Jefferson and Lance Stephenson were going to help Kemba along, but they only hurt Kemba. I'm a little disappointed that Kemba couldn't make the jump this season, but I'm still a very long way away from wanting him gone.

I hear the arguments being made otherwise, but this is pretty much where I am.

There is also the reality that he's not getting traded at this point so I don't see the point in constantly arguing for it, but even if he might be I think it's a much lower priority than adding shooters and figuring out our big man rotation going forward.

We can trade him while he still has a little value like Philly did Jrue Holiday. I bet the Pelicans couldn't trade Jrue now for the package they traded to get him 2 years ago. That's all me and Sik are tryna say.


Yeah that's my point Catch.

Jrue is actually a good example, his value was not it's highest when he was traded but it has plummeted since.

It's fair to say we have more pressing needs but how do we fulfill those needs?

Trading Kemba while he still has some value is a good idea imo, I'd rather part with Kemba than MKG/Zeller/Vonleh or Biyombo to be honest.

It's fair to say that Kemba does not hold great value at the moment, but there is no doubt a team that would trade something of worth for him, maybe because they're stupid or maybe because they see something that I don't. (I am stupid) ;)
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#337 » by catch20two » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:40 am

I'm sure we can package him for Ty Lawson. A former UNC Tarheel back in NC would be great for the Charlotte fanbase and we could get more bang for our buck. Getting a true PG would solve 75% of our issues.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#338 » by HornetJail » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:43 am

JDR720 wrote:Kembas PPS (points per shot) is 20th among the 25 qualified PG's this season at 1.10, that is just .14 behind Ty Lawson who is 10th.

If he can shoot 41% that should get him to 1.15 that would get him to around 17th which is fine IMO.

PG's are usually the least efficient scorers in the NBA due to size and the shots they take.

Kemba would drastically improve his percentage by attempting one less hail mary shot at the buzzer per game. I like that Kemba attempts these shots (he really works to get a half-decent shot rather than a full court heave) when other players will hold it to pad their percentages, but he probably attempts at least 1-2 of these almost every game. If Kemba attempts one less shot per game (yes, just one less shot- that's it), his FG% this season is a decent 41.2%. One shot less every two games? He's right at 40%. That FG% isn't anywhere as bad as you people are making it out to be. Is there a need for improvement? Absolutely, but it's passable. Then we can mention how low his turnover marks are- he averages an entire turnover less per game than most of his peers, which makes up some for his FG% in terms of overall efficiency as a player. If Kemba gets a shot up, we've got guys like MKG, Bismack, Noah, and Zeller fighting for the offensive board and there's maybe a 20% chance we get a second shot attempt out of that possession. If Kemba hands the ball over to the other team, there's no second shot attempt for us, and there's a good chance we're giving up two or three points on a fast break. I'll take 38.5% shooting and 1.5TOpg over 41.2% shooting and 2.5TOpg any day of the week.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#339 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:47 am

No one can realistically take up for Walkers shooting woes. Its been truly pathetic.

We're stuck with him though. So hopefully he has a hell of an offseason
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#340 » by Elden Payton » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:51 am

catch20two wrote:I'm sure we can package him for Ty Lawson. A former UNC Tarheel back in NC would be great for the Charlotte fanbase and we could get more bang for our buck. Getting a true PG would solve 75% of our issues.


Lawson would be awesome but they allegedly want 2 first for him.

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