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Re: Detroit @ Cleveland 7:00pm 

Post#101 » by princeofpalace » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:03 pm

The last two games both Charlotte and Cleveland packed the paint on Reggie even when Tolliver was in the game, as a result he struggled. Blaming his struggles on Monroe's presence when RJ looked great the previous 2 games with both Monroe/Drummond on teh court is nonsense. Teams have adjusted to Reggie, but I'm confident that his game will also adjust with SVG's mentorship.

What seperates RJ from great PGs his same age like Westbrook and Rose is that the former two guys can excel even when they are on the court with mostly nonshooters and the defense packs the paint. Rose's last healthy season he started alongside Bogans, Deng, Boozer and Noah. Brewer was the only 3 point shooter in the bunch but that didn't stop him, Rose dominated regardless. Same goes for Westbrook who is truly dominating right now despite starting alongside nonshooters in Roberson, Adams, Waitors.

Heck, even MCW produces with the Bucks despite only playing with 2 shooters and not having the ability to shoot himself. Same goes with Efrid Payton with Oladipo, in Orlando. Kemba last year with MKG, Henderson, Jefferson. All star caliber plays produce every night. I don't think anyone is hating on RJ but when I see ppl comparing him to all star caliber PGs, I cringe a little because RJ simply is not there. All star level PGs produce on a consistent basis and it ususally does not matter what the opposing defense does.

On another note, I do think we will see Reggie get some minutes at the 2 next season along side Jennings and I also do believe that SVG is sincere when he says that PG will be an open competition. Remember how this season started and Jennings was often yanked for Augustin? I think next season will be the same. Jennings will likely be good to go Aug/Sept which gives him preseason and training camp to get into game shape. Either way the Pistons should benefit from never having to play John Lucas again.
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Re: Detroit @ Cleveland 7:00pm 

Post#102 » by joedumars1 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:05 pm

princeofpalace wrote:The last two games both Charlotte and Cleveland packed the paint on Reggie even when Tolliver was in the game, as a result he struggled. Blaming his struggles on Monroe's presence when RJ looked great the previous 2 games with both Monroe/Drummond on teh court is nonsense. Teams have adjusted to Reggie, but I'm confident that his game will also adjust with SVG's mentorship.

What seperates RJ from great PGs his same age like Westbrook and Rose is that the former two guys can excel even when they are on the court with mostly nonshooters and the defense packs the paint. Rose's last healthy season he started alongside Bogans, Deng, Boozer and Noah. Brewer was the only 3 point shooter in the bunch but that didn't stop him, Rose dominated regardless. Same goes for Westbrook who is truly dominating right now despite starting alongside nonshooters in Roberson, Adams, Waitors.

Heck, even MCW produces with the Bucks despite only playing with 2 shooters and not having the ability to shoot himself. Same goes with Efrid Payton with Oladipo, in Orlando. Kemba last year with MKG, Henderson, Jefferson. All star caliber plays produce every night. I don't think anyone is hating on RJ but when I see ppl comparing him to all star caliber PGs, I cringe a little because RJ simply is not there. All star level PGs produce on a consistent basis and it ususally does not matter what the opposing defense does.

On another note, I do think we will see Reggie get some minutes at the 2 next season along side Jennings and I also do believe that SVG is sincere when he says that PG will be an open competition. Remember how this season started and Jennings was often yanked for Augustin? I think next season will be the same. Jennings will likely be good to go Aug/Sept which gives him preseason and training camp to get into game shape. Either way the Pistons should benefit from never having to play John Lucas again.

Deng can shoot three's, boozer used to be known as a very good mid-range shooter, Noah can hit mid-range too, but it looks funky. So to say they couldn't shoot is a stretch imo. All-stars have crappy games too aka klay Thompson like 3 bad games in a row before last night, I'm positive kemba has had off nights, Kylrie too
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Re: Detroit @ Cleveland 7:00pm 

Post#103 » by Hotmayo » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:08 pm

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If a machine needs to run efficiently for 60 mintues then you dont mess with the machinery, if the machine has shown the ability to give you 100% efficiency for 60 minutes. Adding a new nut/bolt into the machine for half the time will not give you same amount of efficiency, even if the nut/bolt is brand new or effective.

IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH! ****
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Post#104 » by Hotmayo » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:14 pm

Billl wrote:I wonder what RJ would have had to do for some people here to accept him? He's at 17/9 as a piston and he's still getting bashed.

Realistically, this is his first real chance to run a team. He's had some ups and downs, but he'd be top 4 in assists if you just use his pistons stats. That is MUCH better than I expected from a guy known mostly as a scoring pg. Remember, he's doing this with almost no practice time and an inconsistent lineup.


and the fact that greg monroe hinders his game, the teams chemistry, and the development of andre drummond, reggie jackson, and kentvavious caldwell-pope.

time to cut the weakest link

we were 7-4 wthout him

now we are 2-13 with him. bye :banghead:
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Re: Detroit @ Cleveland 7:00pm 

Post#105 » by mattao313 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:32 pm

joedumars1 wrote:Deng can shoot three's, boozer used to be known as a very good mid-range shooter, Noah can hit mid-range too, but it looks funky. So to say they couldn't shoot is a stretch imo. All-stars have crappy games too aka klay Thompson like 3 bad games in a row before last night, I'm positive kemba has had off nights, Kylrie too

Kemba sucks I'm not even a big fan of Reggie but he is 10x better than him and MCW.
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Re: Detroit @ Cleveland 7:00pm 

Post#106 » by joedumars1 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:12 pm

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joedumars1 wrote:Deng can shoot three's, boozer used to be known as a very good mid-range shooter, Noah can hit mid-range too, but it looks funky. So to say they couldn't shoot is a stretch imo. All-stars have crappy games too aka klay Thompson like 3 bad games in a row before last night, I'm positive kemba has had off nights, Kylrie too

Kemba sucks I'm not even a big fan of Reggie but he is 10x better than him and MCW.

I like Kemba, but I like RJ more. I don't like MCW at all
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Re: Detroit @ Cleveland 7:00pm 

Post#107 » by mercury » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:02 am

All this judging of Jackson so early in his tenure here... humorous
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Re: Detroit @ Cleveland 7:00pm 

Post#108 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:15 am

Hotmayo wrote:
Billl wrote:I wonder what RJ would have had to do for some people here to accept him? He's at 17/9 as a piston and he's still getting bashed.

Realistically, this is his first real chance to run a team. He's had some ups and downs, but he'd be top 4 in assists if you just use his pistons stats. That is MUCH better than I expected from a guy known mostly as a scoring pg. Remember, he's doing this with almost no practice time and an inconsistent lineup.


and the fact that greg monroe hinders his game, the teams chemistry, and the development of andre drummond, reggie jackson, and kentvavious caldwell-pope.

time to cut the weakest link

we were 7-4 wthout him


and in those at least 9 of those games, our team was being lead by RJ,KCP, and DRE, and it was fun to watch..

now we are 2-13 with him. bye :banghead:



yet DrumRoe works???????????????????????? :banghead:
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Re: Detroit @ Cleveland 7:00pm 

Post#109 » by kurtis48239 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:28 am

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Well, you're right in this observation. Careless language, in that it secured the 8th seeding in the lottery. Of course, we won't know the actual pick until the lottery is conducted. At least we know the Cavs won't be jumping over us this year. :wink:

Give me a break,if anyone really believes me saying we secured the 8th will have any doing in us getting leap frogged or having jinxed anything,push yourself away from the computer .

Most everyone around knows what I mean when I posted the 8th pick,didnt think I had to explain we could get leap frogged.


Seriously, you quote me and then edit it to make it seem like I'm explaining this to you? I used the same language you did, and then acknowledged to the nitpicker that yes, it's really not exactly the same thing as securing the 8th pick. I knew what you meant. The "tinfoil hat" guys aside, we might even jump up. :lol:

I thought you were siding with the first comment,I edited it 10 seconds after I wrote it , to clarifiy to others,befor I got 5 more notifications saying,(we secured the 8th seed,but we could get leap frogged).
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Re: Detroit @ Cleveland 7:00pm 

Post#110 » by 313 Professor » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:50 pm

princeofpalace wrote:The last two games both Charlotte and Cleveland packed the paint on Reggie even when Tolliver was in the game, as a result he struggled. Blaming his struggles on Monroe's presence when RJ looked great the previous 2 games with both Monroe/Drummond on teh court is nonsense. Teams have adjusted to Reggie, but I'm confident that his game will also adjust with SVG's mentorship.

What seperates RJ from great PGs his same age like Westbrook and Rose is that the former two guys can excel even when they are on the court with mostly nonshooters and the defense packs the paint. Rose's last healthy season he started alongside Bogans, Deng, Boozer and Noah. Brewer was the only 3 point shooter in the bunch but that didn't stop him, Rose dominated regardless. Same goes for Westbrook who is truly dominating right now despite starting alongside nonshooters in Roberson, Adams, Waitors.

Heck, even MCW produces with the Bucks despite only playing with 2 shooters and not having the ability to shoot himself. Same goes with Efrid Payton with Oladipo, in Orlando. Kemba last year with MKG, Henderson, Jefferson. All star caliber plays produce every night. I don't think anyone is hating on RJ but when I see ppl comparing him to all star caliber PGs, I cringe a little because RJ simply is not there. All star level PGs produce on a consistent basis and it ususally does not matter what the opposing defense does.

On another note, I do think we will see Reggie get some minutes at the 2 next season along side Jennings and I also do believe that SVG is sincere when he says that PG will be an open competition. Remember how this season started and Jennings was often yanked for Augustin? I think next season will be the same. Jennings will likely be good to go Aug/Sept which gives him preseason and training camp to get into game shape. Either way the Pistons should benefit from never having to play John Lucas again.


Great post. Playing with 4 players who can stretch the floor, and a Center that you can just throw the ball up to is a PG ideal for NUMBERS. There is no better situation to rack up assists. People act like Augustin didn't have huge assist games, same for Jennings, and even Dinwiddie with high assist rates in limited minutes. It's not Monroe's fault either. No matter the system/space there are certain spots of the floor that a PG needs to be able get to and make plays. Just because RJ can't get to those spots consistently in more traffic doesn't mean Monroe is at fault.

Floor spacing is like a balance beam. It's far easier for any PG (1-32) to walk the beam when the beam is wider, but when you make the beam tighter (less space) you really see how good their balance/ability to make plays is. Every PG we've had in all year has racked up assists.

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