Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

[yosemiteben]

Unlike Hairston Green actually shot the deep ball well in college.

Green shot 29% from three his sophomore year at UNC. PJ shot 39% on like triple the attempts.

You're reaching.

[Liver_Pooty]

Unlike Hairston Green actually shot the deep ball well in college.

Green shot 29% from three his sophomore year at UNC. PJ shot 39% on like triple the attempts.

You're reaching.

Was referring to Green shooting 42% his senior year when he hit his stride. So I'm not reaching at all.

Might be reaching on PJ shooting well in college, but his stint in the D league and with us is rather sad

[catch20two]

I''ve seen you say posters compare him to Harden. If you can find that post I need a new sig. That's just stupid

The Hairston thread was originally called Harden without the beard at first. Lol. I'll try to find and bump the arguments I had with people about his NBA comps that were ridiculous if I can find them.

[yosemiteben]

Unlike Hairston Green actually shot the deep ball well in college.

Green shot 29% from three his sophomore year at UNC. PJ shot 39% on like triple the attempts.

You're reaching.

Was referring to Green shooting 42% his senior year when he hit his stride. So I'm not reaching at all.

So PJ was a poor shooter in college because he shot 39% from three his sophomore year, but Green shot well because he shot 42% after he had two more years of experience with not really close to the same number of attempts?

Green shot 27% from three his rookie year, for those curious.

[Liver_Pooty]

I''ve seen you say posters compare him to Harden. If you can find that post I need a new sig. That's just stupid

The Hairston thread was originally called Harden without the beard at first. Lol. I'll try to find and bump the arguments I had with people about his NBA comps that were ridiculous if I can find them.

My memory must be fading, but I faintly remember seeing that. May as well compare MKG to Lebron

[catch20two]

May as well compare MKG to Lebron

That actually happened too.

[Liver_Pooty]

Green shot 29% from three his sophomore year at UNC. PJ shot 39% on like triple the attempts.

You're reaching.

Was referring to Green shooting 42% his senior year when he hit his stride. So I'm not reaching at all.

So PJ was a poor shooter in college because he shot 39% from three his sophomore year, but Green shot well because he shot 42% after he had two more years of experience with not really close to the same number of attempts?

Green shot 27% from three his rookie year, for those curious.

You're right, but I guarantee you Green will be 20 times the player Hairston will be.

[HornetJail]

May as well compare MKG to Lebron

That actually happened too.

LeBron and MKG are the only 19-year-old non-big men to record 25/12 twice, or something like that

[Liver_Pooty]

May as well compare MKG to Lebron

That actually happened too.

That's rather sad.

[Liver_Pooty]

May as well compare MKG to Lebron

That actually happened too.

LeBron and MKG are the only 19-year-old non-big men to record 25/12 twice, or something like that

That was in the first 20 games or so of MKGs rookie year, though. They scouted him and shut him down the rest of the year. Teams literally played 13 feet off of him.

[Braggins]

Why should we have to trade one or more of MKG/Zeller/Vonleh or let Biz walk to get a SG who suits Kemba's "skillset"?

We don't? Who is saying we should trade MKG/Zeller/Vonleh to find a player to suite Kemba? SG is our biggest positional weakness regardless and we need shooting regardless. I don't know why you think we either have to trade Kemba or trade MKG/some other prospect...

Kemba is going into his fifth season next year and he has peaked imo, people say he's young but in athlete terms 26 is closer to the end than the beginning.

Also I don't believe Kemba will age well, with his game in the present NBA.

Kyle Lowry averaged 9, 2, 4.5, on 39% shooting (27% from deep) in his 4th season. It isn't uncommon for PG's that aren't natural floor leaders to take longer to develop because they have to learn the intricacies of the PG position. If you just look at Kemba's skillset, I don't know how you can think he absolutely doesn't have the talent to improve. You are acting like the people who were convinced that MKG could never ever learn to shoot respectably.

[Elden Payton]

Why should we have to trade one or more of MKG/Zeller/Vonleh or let Biz walk to get a SG who suits Kemba's "skillset"?

We don't? Who is saying we should trade MKG/Zeller/Vonleh to find a player to suite Kemba? SG is our biggest positional weakness regardless and we need shooting regardless. I don't know why you think we either have to trade Kemba or trade MKG/some other prospect...

Kemba is going into his fifth season next year and he has peaked imo, people say he's young but in athlete terms 26 is closer to the end than the beginning.

Also I don't believe Kemba will age well, with his game in the present NBA.

Kyle Lowry averaged 9, 2, 4.5, on 39% shooting (27% from deep) in his 4th season. It isn't uncommon for PG's that aren't natural floor leaders to take longer to develop because they have to learn the intricacies of the PG position. If you just look at Kemba's skillset, I don't know how you can think he absolutely doesn't have the talent to improve. You are acting like the people who were convinced that MKG could never ever learn to shoot respectably.

Who is going to hand us talent at the weakest position in the league for anything outside of MKG/Zeller/Vonleh?

If we don't let Biz walk and al and Hendo opt in, where do we find any cap space to sign a SG?

Yes spacing is our weakness (obviously) but Kemba who shoots 5-3PA a game for 31 percent from deep is a huge part of that problem.

Any SG we could draft at #9 like Oubre will probably be ready to produce when Kemba is 28/29 and heading for a new contract...

His deal (even with the new cap coming) is still overpaid for a guy who is a chucker who can't even shoot 40 percent.

In regards to MKG, I always knew he would learn how to shoot (been called a homer for it to) and there is a massive difference between 19/20 year old MKG improving his game and 25/26 year old Kemba improving his.

What exactly is Kemba's skillset by the way?

Please enlighten me on what exactly Kemba does do, that shows he has upside left in him?

[Elden Payton]

Also in regards to Lowry, he needed the opportunity, no one can claim we haven't given Kemba opportunities to show us what he's got.

[Liver_Pooty]

Can someone tell me one thing Walker is good to elite at?

[Liver_Pooty]

The difference between Kemba and other PG's like Lawson, Holiday, Knight etc. isn't worth trading for, its just a marginal improvement IMO.

The mere fact you said Knight is an improvement at all over Walker speaks a lot.

Knights agent better send Cho a thank you note, because his man is about to get paaaaaid.

[Braggins]

Why should we have to trade one or more of MKG/Zeller/Vonleh or let Biz walk to get a SG who suits Kemba's "skillset"?

We don't? Who is saying we should trade MKG/Zeller/Vonleh to find a player to suite Kemba? SG is our biggest positional weakness regardless and we need shooting regardless. I don't know why you think we either have to trade Kemba or trade MKG/some other prospect...

Kemba is going into his fifth season next year and he has peaked imo, people say he's young but in athlete terms 26 is closer to the end than the beginning.

Also I don't believe Kemba will age well, with his game in the present NBA.

Kyle Lowry averaged 9, 2, 4.5, on 39% shooting (27% from deep) in his 4th season. It isn't uncommon for PG's that aren't natural floor leaders to take longer to develop because they have to learn the intricacies of the PG position. If you just look at Kemba's skillset, I don't know how you can think he absolutely doesn't have the talent to improve. You are acting like the people who were convinced that MKG could never ever learn to shoot respectably.

Who is going to hand us talent at the weakest position in the league for anything outside of MKG/Zeller/Vonleh?

If we don't let Biz walk and al and Hendo opt in, where do we find any cap space to sign a SG?

Yes spacing is our weakness (obviously) but Kemba who shoots 5-3PA a game for 31 percent from deep is a huge part of that problem.

Any SG we could draft at #9 like Oubre will probably be ready to produce when Kemba is 28/29 and heading for a new contract...

His deal (even with the new cap coming) is still overpaid for a guy who is a chucker who can't even shoot 40 percent.

In regards to MKG, I always knew he would learn how to shoot (been called a homer for it to) and there is a massive difference between 19/20 year old MKG improving his game and 25/26 year old Kemba improving his.

What exactly is Kemba's skillset by the way?

Please enlighten me on what exactly Kemba does do, that shows he has upside left in him?

We aren't contending next season even if we trade Kemba. We don't necessarily have to fix the SG position by next season. If Al opts in we are likely going to suck again regardless and if he opts out we will have plenty of cap room to sign a SG. We will have tons of cap in 2016 either way.

Oubre is the least NBA ready of any wing prospect in our range. Hezonja could easily be productive in a year or two. Trading
Al/Lance is also a possibility.

Kemba's deal isn't the albatross you seem to be making it out to be. 12 million a year is basically 3rd option money given the cap increase that is going to occur in the next two years. He is not going to limit our ability to sign free agents or resign any of our young guys.

Also, Kemba turned 24 like 3 months ago and you've literally been talking about him like he is 25-26 the last couple pages. I know I am a clueless homer for pointing that out, like when I pointed out that he wasn't 5'10, but it is true. I'm sorry.

As far as Kemba's upside, he is one of the absolute quickest and fastest players in the league and one of the best ball handlers. He has been an above average defender (not this year admittedly, but the ability is still there) and rebounder for his position. Hes scrappy and plays hard. He has great intangibles and work ethic. His playmaking isn 't great but it isn't the disaster you make it out to be. He has shown some playmaking potential. He averaged well over 7 assists after the all-star break last season. He'll never be great in that regard, but he can be competent, which is really all you need. For example, he averages about the same amount of assists as Tony Parker, He has his flaws. He has plenty of things he needs to improve. That doesn't mean he isn't capable of being a good player.

[Braggins]

Also in regards to Lowry, he needed the opportunity, no one can claim we haven't given Kemba opportunities to show us what he's got.

That is basically the same as people saying Kemba just needs a better offensive system and better suited roster to show what hes got... Its an excuse if you don't like him but a reason if you do. Kind of hypocritical given how much you complain about people making excuses for Kemba.

[Braggins]

Can someone tell me one thing Walker is good to elite at?

Really, you can't think of one thing he is good at?

[Elden Payton]

We don't? Who is saying we should trade MKG/Zeller/Vonleh to find a player to suite Kemba? SG is our biggest positional weakness regardless and we need shooting regardless. I don't know why you think we either have to trade Kemba or trade MKG/some other prospect...


Kyle Lowry averaged 9, 2, 4.5, on 39% shooting (27% from deep) in his 4th season. It isn't uncommon for PG's that aren't natural floor leaders to take longer to develop because they have to learn the intricacies of the PG position. If you just look at Kemba's skillset, I don't know how you can think he absolutely doesn't have the talent to improve. You are acting like the people who were convinced that MKG could never ever learn to shoot respectably.

Who is going to hand us talent at the weakest position in the league for anything outside of MKG/Zeller/Vonleh?

If we don't let Biz walk and al and Hendo opt in, where do we find any cap space to sign a SG?

Yes spacing is our weakness (obviously) but Kemba who shoots 5-3PA a game for 31 percent from deep is a huge part of that problem.

Any SG we could draft at #9 like Oubre will probably be ready to produce when Kemba is 28/29 and heading for a new contract...

His deal (even with the new cap coming) is still overpaid for a guy who is a chucker who can't even shoot 40 percent.

In regards to MKG, I always knew he would learn how to shoot (been called a homer for it to) and there is a massive difference between 19/20 year old MKG improving his game and 25/26 year old Kemba improving his.

What exactly is Kemba's skillset by the way?

Please enlighten me on what exactly Kemba does do, that shows he has upside left in him?

We aren't contending next season even if we trade Kemba. We don't necessarily have to fix the SG position by next season. If Al opts in we are likely going to suck again regardless and if he opts out we will have plenty of cap room to sign a SG. We will have tons of cap in 2016 either way.

Oubre is the least NBA ready of any wing prospect in our range. Hezonja could easily be productive in a year or two. Trading
Al/Lance is also a possibility.

Kemba's deal isn't the albatross you seem to be making it out to be. 12 million a year is basically 3rd option money given the cap increase that is going to occur in the next two years. He is not going to limit our ability to sign free agents or resign any of our young guys.

Also, Kemba turned 24 like 3 months ago and you've literally been talking about him like he is 25-26 the last couple pages. I know I am a clueless homer for pointing that out, like when I pointed out that he wasn't 5'10, but it is true. I'm sorry.

As far as Kemba's upside, he is one of the absolute quickest and fastest players in the league and one of the best ball handlers. He has been an above average defender (not this year admittedly, but the ability is still there) and rebounder for his position. He has great intangibles and work ethic. His playmaking isn 't great but it isn't the disaster you make it out to be. He has shown some potential in that regard. He averaged well over 7 assists after the all-star break last season. He'll never be great in that regard, but he can be competent, which is really all you need. For example, he averages about the same amount of assists as Tony Parker, He has his flaws. He has plenty of things he needs to improve. That doesn't mean he isn't capable of being a good player.

OK so since we aren't contending then we should be perfectly happy with being mediocre?

Should we just let Kemba continue to do his best AI impersonation and shoot us out of games?

Hezonja might not be available at our pick and even if he is, he's one of the biggest unknowns in this draft, which teenage Euro was NBA ready in history also? He'll need at least a few seasons.

Who care what the cap is doing in 2016? Kemba will be halfway through his contract by the time the cap has fully risen and it will impact our FA flexibility for those said 2 years.

In regards to Kemba's age, tomorrow is our last game of the season, Kemba will be 25 during next season...Should I talk in regards to the season just passed or the FUTURE we are actually talking about?

Also I never said he was 5'10...ever, so I'm not sure why you'd even bring that up?

Kemba is so quick he can't even get past a defender without a screen from Biz and what good is his handle when he can't finish at the rim and all he does is dribble the air out of the ball, pass to someone in a worse position just to get the ball back or do 5 crossovers before chucking up ill advised, off balance mid range shots?

Somehow he makes the worst and least efficient shot in basketball even worse and less efficient, it's an achievement in it's own right.

Kemba looks like he's not even trying on defense and he's always been pesky but average in that regard, he's now below average heading into the terrible tier.

Also in regards to his intangibles, please explain exactly what they are?

Do these alleged intangibles make up for his putrid play for 75 percent of his 4 seasons in the league?

His playmaking is an absolute disaster and he is one of the worse playmaking points in the entire league and he's selfish to boot.

Also putting him and TP in the same sentence is a laugh, TP doesn't even dominate the ball to the extent of Kemba and Manu has always been the de facto point of that team...also even if they do average the same amount of assists, the fact one guy shoots 38 percent and the other shoots 50 for his whole career.

[Liver_Pooty]

Can someone tell me one thing Walker is good to elite at?

Really, you can't think of one thing he is good at?

He has a good crossover. He was good defensively last year. That went downhill big time this year. Just a wash for him this year other then December. I think he might have a big time year next season, but if he doesn't. ....