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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2241 » by HarthorneWingo » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:03 am



Oh yeah, Lance is coming back. I'm ok with that. Sorry mp.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2243 » by Bklyn&company » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:33 pm

I wonder who's on Melo's Free agent/players list Steve Mills was talking about? What players are close to Melo, Besides the star players like CP3?
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2244 » by vincccent » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:42 pm

Bklyn&company wrote:I wonder who's on Melo's Free agent/players list Steve Mills was talking about? What players are close to Melo, Besides the star players like CP3?


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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2245 » by HEZI » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:56 pm

One guy nobody seems to be talking about is Deandre Jordan. Remember this quote

“Gotta have a defender,” Jackson said. “… That’s a good starting point — a guy like Tyson Chandler (whom the Knicks traded over the summer) is the defensive backup that we have to have. In this day and age in our game, there are so many screen and rolls, so many 3-point shooters, so many things that a player of size has to (do). Not only cover the paint and protect the basket but he has to be able to step out defensively and play a guard. And do some defensive work on the extreme part of the floor so it’s very important that that player have defensive capabilities.”


Jordan is unrestricted this summer and I think he just might be Phils main target.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2246 » by HEZI » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:07 pm

How skilled is Phil in negotiations? Is he capable of signing both Monroe and Deandre Jordan?

In a perfect scenario, we draft DAngelo Russell and pickup these two bigmen, we could have something with a lineup of

Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Jordan
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2247 » by Meat » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:15 pm

SMAC-K wrote:How skilled is Phil in negotiations? Is he capable of signing both Monroe and Deandre Jordan?

In a perfect scenario, we draft DAngelo Russell and pickup these two bigmen, we could have something with a lineup of

Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Jordan


think of all that spacing!!!!!
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2248 » by HEZI » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:18 pm

We would have plenty shooters out there to keep the defense spread out. Russell, Galloway and Melo are all shooters.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2249 » by And100 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:22 pm

SMAC-K wrote:How skilled is Phil in negotiations? Is he capable of signing both Monroe and Deandre Jordan?

In a perfect scenario, we draft DAngelo Russell and pickup these two bigmen, we could have something with a lineup of

Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Jordan


There's no "skill" in negotiations. Except in rare instances, young, top free agents are going to sign with the GM who shows the "skill" of offering the most money.

Neither is going to sign for less than their top market value based on some plan for a 16 win team to contend for a title.

Maybe Monroe really wants to play for NY despite the roster, but I seriously doubts he negotiates exclusively with the Knicks. Knicks will have to pay him as much or more money than anyone else will offer. THAT'll be the "negotiation."
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2250 » by HEZI » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:26 pm

We could offer 12-14 Mil per year to each guy
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2251 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:38 pm

SMAC-K wrote:How skilled is Phil in negotiations? Is he capable of signing both Monroe and Deandre Jordan?

In a perfect scenario, we draft DAngelo Russell and pickup these two bigmen, we could have something with a lineup of

Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Jordan


we'd need much better perimeter defense in a starting lineup that brought in another minus frontcourt defender. and man, jordan is such a one-trick pony, i'd rather get a cheaper version of a defensive-minded big.

i'd think he'd prefer to draft and sign two-way players. it's a shame we even have that term now, because there was a time when we called that a "basketball player." but offense sells, and that's what the money machine teaches kids now. even on the AAU level, you're seeing defense eschewed in favor of developing flashy offense.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2252 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:40 pm

And100 wrote:
SMAC-K wrote:How skilled is Phil in negotiations? Is he capable of signing both Monroe and Deandre Jordan?

In a perfect scenario, we draft DAngelo Russell and pickup these two bigmen, we could have something with a lineup of

Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Jordan


There's no "skill" in negotiations. Except in rare instances, young, top free agents are going to sign with the GM who shows the "skill" of offering the most money.

Neither is going to sign for less than their top market value based on some plan for a 16 win team to contend for a title.

Maybe Monroe really wants to play for NY despite the roster, but I seriously doubts he negotiates exclusively with the Knicks. Knicks will have to pay him as much or more money than anyone else will offer. THAT'll be the "negotiation."


yep. the only way you get a discount is if the player wants to come to that team/situation for some reason. otherwise, market value is a must, as it would be on any of our professional searches.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2253 » by Johnny Hoops » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:48 pm

Meat wrote:
SMAC-K wrote:How skilled is Phil in negotiations? Is he capable of signing both Monroe and Deandre Jordan?

In a perfect scenario, we draft DAngelo Russell and pickup these two bigmen, we could have something with a lineup of

Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Jordan


think of all that spacing!!!!!


You can't have everything dude -- there is a lot of talent there.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2254 » by HEZI » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:01 pm

Ron Mexico wrote:
SMAC-K wrote:How skilled is Phil in negotiations? Is he capable of signing both Monroe and Deandre Jordan?

In a perfect scenario, we draft DAngelo Russell and pickup these two bigmen, we could have something with a lineup of

Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Jordan


we'd need much better perimeter defense in a starting lineup that brought in another minus frontcourt defender. and man, jordan is such a one-trick pony, i'd rather get a cheaper version of a defensive-minded big.

i'd think he'd prefer to draft and sign two-way players. it's a shame we even have that term now, because there was a time when we called that a "basketball player." but offense sells, and that's what the money machine teaches kids now. even on the AAU level, you're seeing defense eschewed in favor of developing flashy offense.


The whole point of having Jordan is to cover up for the perimeter defense. Jordan is a better weakside defender than Chandler
and loves to challenge shots in the paint. You are also underrating Galloway as a perimeter defender, he is very good when it comes to rotating on shooters. With Russell bringing the size he has at the 1, he should do just fine himself.

Jordan might be a one trick pony, but he is excellent at that one trick and the Knicks need that type of presence on defense. A frontcourt of Melo, Monroe and Jordan would be the best rebounding frontcourt in the league that would bring size, strength and athleticism.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2255 » by HEZI » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:19 pm

With the leftover money I would bring back Amundson, Jason Smith and Shved which would solidify the bench

Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Jordan

Calderon
Shved
Tim Hardaway JR
Amundson
Smith
Early
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2256 » by And100 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:27 pm

SMAC-K wrote:With the leftover money I would bring back Amundson, Jason Smith and Shved which would solidify the bench

Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Jordan

Calderon
Shved
Tim Hardaway JR
Amundson
Smith
Early


Aren't Griffen and Jordan best friends? Doubt he's leaving, but if he does, KNicks don't have enough space for both.

Would have to trade or stretch Calderon (which I'm personally not opposed to).
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2257 » by HEZI » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:45 pm

The cap will be at 66 mil, Knicks have 32 Mil in salaries comitted, giving them 34 Mil in cap space.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2258 » by And100 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:47 pm

SMAC-K wrote:The cap will be at 66 mil, Knicks have 32 Mil in salaries comitted, giving them 34 Mil in cap space.


Nope, you're forgetting their draft pick and cap holds.
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2259 » by HEZI » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:53 pm

I thought rookies didnt have to sign contracts until after free agency and that teams over the cap can still sign their rookies
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Re: FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread (14'-15') 

Post#2260 » by And100 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:03 pm

SMAC-K wrote:I thought rookies didnt have to sign contracts until after free agency and that teams over the cap can still sign their rookies


No, I believe first rounders still have cop holds.

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