FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[HEZI]

That makes no sense because technically no team over the cap can sign a first rounder

[And100]

That makes no sense because technically no team over the cap can sign a first rounder

Of course it does. Your first round pick is an exception (like the mid-levels) that every team possesses.

I just looked it up to confirm. The rookie scale IS the cap hold.

The reason why many teams don't sign their first rounders until after the use their cap room is because the hold is the scale amount but almost all teams pay their picks 120% of the scale amount, which the CBA lets them do even if above the cap.

[HEZI]

Aaaaah ok I get it.

So the rookie scale starts at 100% which counts against the cap but then once free agency is over and teams spend their money, the rookies take the 120% scale amount which boosts up the cap hold, am I right?

Which would mean that after the draft, the Knicks would have about 29 Mil in cap space instead of 34

[And100]

Aaaaah ok I get it.

So the rookie scale starts at 100% which counts against the cap but then once free agency is over and teams spend their money, the rookies take the 120% scale amount which boosts up the cap hold, am I right?

Which would mean that after the draft, the Knicks would have about 29 Mil in cap space instead of 34

yes to the first part.

All estimates have the Knicks at around $24-$25 including cap holds/roster chargers. IF they stretch Calderon they free up enough to get to around $28. If they manage to trade him, they're up to around $31.

[HEZI]

Melo makes 22.8 Mil
Calderon 7.4 Mil
Hardaway 1.3 Mil
Early 845 Thousand
And if we pickup the option on Galloway, thats 845 Thousand

Making it a combined salary of 33 Mil

Add the First Round pick of 5 Mil, thats 38 Mil combined salary

With the Cap going up to 66 Mil, its leaves the Knicks with 28 Mil

[Jeff Van Gully]

How skilled is Phil in negotiations? Is he capable of signing both Monroe and Deandre Jordan?

In a perfect scenario, we draft DAngelo Russell and pickup these two bigmen, we could have something with a lineup of

Russell
Galloway
Melo
Monroe
Jordan

we'd need much better perimeter defense in a starting lineup that brought in another minus frontcourt defender. and man, jordan is such a one-trick pony, i'd rather get a cheaper version of a defensive-minded big.

i'd think he'd prefer to draft and sign two-way players. it's a shame we even have that term now, because there was a time when we called that a "basketball player." but offense sells, and that's what the money machine teaches kids now. even on the AAU level, you're seeing defense eschewed in favor of developing flashy offense.

The whole point of having Jordan is to cover up for the perimeter defense. Jordan is a better weakside defender than Chandler
and loves to challenge shots in the paint. You are also underrating Galloway as a perimeter defender, he is very good when it comes to rotating on shooters. With Russell bringing the size he has at the 1, he should do just fine himself.

Jordan might be a one trick pony, but he is excellent at that one trick and the Knicks need that type of presence on defense. A frontcourt of Melo, Monroe and Jordan would be the best rebounding frontcourt in the league that would bring size, strength and athleticism.

but defensively, that scheme doesn't work without solid perimeter defense. can't just funnel a layup line into your 5, even if his name is bill russell. there needs to be resistance on the wing in addition to that great rim protection. your boy 'dre would average 5.5 fouls per night, and we'd still struggle to keep teams under 100.

it's not just about the blocks. and then he's not going to be that much of help with the kind of offense we are trying to play. sadly, even with chris paul, blake griffin, and talented wing players, the clippers offense isn't really good enough to beat the NBA's best in 7-game series. i really think they would be better off with something more based on reads like what the spurs and hawks do, and like what we are trying to establish. and deandre wouldn't really be the best fit.

he would be an excellent rebounder, as would monroe. but if i'm the opposing coach, i'm straight up giving the ball to whoever russell is guarding. we're going straight past him to the cup. if my wing can beat galloway, we're doing the same. melo and monroe will watch the layup line, and 'dre is going to be frustrated as hell.

[Meat]

Melo makes 22.8 Mil
Calderon 7.4 Mil
Hardaway 1.3 Mil
Early 845 Thousand
And if we pickup the option on Galloway, thats 845 Thousand

Making it a combined salary of 33 Mil

Add the First Round pick of 5 Mil, thats 38 Mil combined salary

With the Cap going up to 66 Mil, its leaves the Knicks with 28 Mil

you have to factor in cap holds to round out the roster, teams need to have 12 players.

so 6 players at the rookie min..500k, take anyway another 3 mil

[HEZI]

you have to factor in cap holds to round out the roster, teams need to have 12 players.

so 6 players at the rookie min..500k, take anyway another 3 mil

True

[HEZI]

Well there goes my "perfect scenario" out the window

[HEZI]

but defensively, that scheme doesn't work without solid perimeter defense. can't just funnel a layup line into your 5, even if his name is bill russell. there needs to be resistance on the wing in addition to that great rim protection. your boy 'dre would average 5.5 fouls per night, and we'd still struggle to keep teams under 100.

it's not just about the blocks. and then he's not going to be that much of help with the kind of offense we are trying to play. sadly, even with chris paul, blake griffin, and talented wing players, the clippers offense isn't really good enough to beat the NBA's best in 7-game series. i really think they would be better off with something more based on reads like what the spurs and hawks do, and like what we are trying to establish. and deandre wouldn't really be the best fit.

he would be an excellent rebounder, as would monroe. but if i'm the opposing coach, i'm straight up giving the ball to whoever russell is guarding. we're going straight past him to the cup. if my wing can beat galloway, we're doing the same. melo and monroe will watch the layup line, and 'dre is going to be frustrated as hell.

So in your mind you already penciled Russell as the worst defensive guard in the league

The Clippers offense doesnt have Carmelo and the only reason you say they dont have a legit shot to make the Finals is because they play in the packed West where all the teams are stacked. If the Clippers played in the East, they would be a legit contender.

[Jeff Van Gully]

but defensively, that scheme doesn't work without solid perimeter defense. can't just funnel a layup line into your 5, even if his name is bill russell. there needs to be resistance on the wing in addition to that great rim protection. your boy 'dre would average 5.5 fouls per night, and we'd still struggle to keep teams under 100.

it's not just about the blocks. and then he's not going to be that much of help with the kind of offense we are trying to play. sadly, even with chris paul, blake griffin, and talented wing players, the clippers offense isn't really good enough to beat the NBA's best in 7-game series. i really think they would be better off with something more based on reads like what the spurs and hawks do, and like what we are trying to establish. and deandre wouldn't really be the best fit.

he would be an excellent rebounder, as would monroe. but if i'm the opposing coach, i'm straight up giving the ball to whoever russell is guarding. we're going straight past him to the cup. if my wing can beat galloway, we're doing the same. melo and monroe will watch the layup line, and 'dre is going to be frustrated as hell.

So in your mind you already penciled Russell as the worst defensive guard in the league

The Clippers offense doesnt have Carmelo and the only reason you say they dont have a legit shot to make the Finals is because they play in the packed West where all the teams are stacked. If the Clippers played in the East, they would be a legit contender.

i don't have him penciled in as the worst. that's putting words in my mouth, homie. i do honestly think russell will struggle to keep professional guards in front of him, as he did in college. [note: i think he is going to be a good player, and will improve at everything, including defense] i can't rate him a plus defender out of the gate. galloway has shown plus defender mentality, but still has limitations and much to learn as a rookie himself. the rest of the league would attack both of them, russell first.

i don't think your idea is crazy or anything, i just don't see dre as a good fit for a couple of reasons. and i believe the perceived benefit of having jordan anchor the middle wouldn't be so great if both guards and carmelo... and monroe, frankly, are having trouble with rotations and on-ball defense. sadly, galloway and monroe are the two i'm worried about least. monroe has shown the ability to defend the 4 when he gives his best effort, but that's never been consistent for him. i love melo at the 3 on offense in a read/triangle, but i am not naive to think that the younger and quicker SFs won't be getting by him. he has a much easier time defending the post. he will be a net neutral wing defender at best, with plus plus plus plus offense.

if jordan is going to be the only reliable defender, and there is an expecation that he can clean up everyone's mess, that's going to lead to disappointment. i wouldn't even feel so bad about the galloway/russell perimeter tandem if the rest of the frontcourt were plus defenders. that way, if they get beat, we'd have more than one guy who is attentive and deliberate on the rotations.

all that said, individual deficiences on the defensive end can be made up for in the team schemes. sadly, that's what woodson was trying to do with all of the switching. he thought the whole could be better than the sum of its parts. the parts just sucked at defense. these parts would be tough to make a cake out of as well.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Aaaaah ok I get it.

So the rookie scale starts at 100% which counts against the cap but then once free agency is over and teams spend their money, the rookies take the 120% scale amount which boosts up the cap hold, am I right?

Which would mean that after the draft, the Knicks would have about 29 Mil in cap space instead of 34

yes to the first part.

All estimates have the Knicks at around $24-$25 including cap holds/roster chargers. IF they stretch Calderon they free up enough to get to around $28. If they manage to trade him, they're up to around $31.

$31M... be still, my heart.

@SMAC-K i'll take your jordan if we end up drafting russell, who can play guard.

gallo
russell
green/middleton/matthews ($8M/$14M/$8M)
melo
jordan ($15M)

but we could probably find a center capable of passing and hitting free throws for that same paper. maybe shave $1M off green and wes to make $14M for the center.

but even still, i more like:

gallo
russell
melo
millsap ($14M)
jordan ($15M)

in this case, you have two plus defenders in the front court. perimeter defense is still suspect to start. jordan is also the only offensive minus player when it comes to the triangle scheme. i don't love paying deandre jordan like this. i really don't see him as worthwhile long-term. but these deals won't look so bad in the future. i wouldn't cry about it. frontcourt pickings are really slim. since gasol isn't likely to come, dre is the next best bet. then it's a bit of a drop-off from him to robin lopez, brandan wright... unless you want to sign tyson chandler again.

that's just my thoughts on players who are not total pipe dreams. the real wish list obviously includes jimmy butler, marc gasol, draymond green, kawhi leonard, and middleton. i just don't see any of those players changing teams. i think the spurs will let danny walk, portland might let injured wes walk. i'd run to mozgov if cleveland didn't pick up his option for some strange reason.

obviously, this is part of the reason i'd rather draft a big and spend paper on 2 and 4, where there are more options and you're not blowing money just because. a star big on a rookie deal starting right now would be heaven for a GM with cap space.

we goin' shoppin' either way. i'm just excited to see it all play out.

[melomax]

Why would you give Jordan 15M when you can sign Asik for 10?

[melomax]

15M Max Millsap/Draymond Green
Sign Asik to 10m

Offer Demarre Carroll 6m

[epics2002]

Do the Knicks have the $3 milllion cash to buy draft picks on draft night or did they use it in a trade?

[rajajackal]

thought Towns was a sure thing, but now i'm starting to see the plan as Russell + Monroe

hope Phil knows what he's doing

[Fat Kat]

thought Towns was a sure thing, but now i'm starting to see the plan as Russell + Monroe

hope Phil knows what he's doing

How exactly are you "starting to see the plan"?

Is it the internet rumors or the posters here guessing?

[Lord Commander]

All we can do at this point is read the tealeaves. But I too think that PMFJB has his eye on Russell...just a nagging suspicion based on his visit to that Ohio State game. I know that means nothing but I can't shake the suspicion.

[Jwduff]

If the Knicks are able to pick Towns on draft night, it'll although them to put Carmelo at the 4 as Towns is a good post presence. This of course leaves holes for the Knicks at the 1,2, and 3. The way I see it I think there are 3 ideal FAs that would make this team a playoff team. Post Towns, the Knicks sign Beverley, Ellis, and Demare Carroll. This would give the Knicks starting lineup of
Beverley/Ellis/Carroll/Melo/Towns
--Ellis thrived with the mavs before Rondo got there as he was able to be the playmaker with the ball always in his hands. And that would allow Beverley to play the same role he played with Harden, along with Carroll having 2 3&D guys would be a big haul for the Knicks.


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[melomax]

So you want to pair a volume scorer next to melo?

awful idea.

draft russell #1

Gallo
Russell
Melo
max Draymond Green
10m to Asik