The Andrew Wiggins Thread

Post #721 » by **C.lupus** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:30 pm

chevycheck wrote:Well, he is Canadian so makes sense. Zach is American, would you object to him playing usa basketball this summer?

It has nothing to do with being Canadian. I don't want any of them playing on any national team, but I recognize that it is the nature of things these days. Wiggins has played the second most minutes in the NBA this season and has been icing his knees lately because they are so sore and tired. I'd prefer him to get plenty of rest and be ready for another grind come fall. But it is what it is and it is expected.

chevycheck · Post #722 » by **chevycheck** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:40 pm

C.lupus wrote:
chevycheck wrote:Well, he is Canadian so makes sense. Zach is American, would you object to him playing usa basketball this summer?

It has nothing to do with being Canadian. I don't want any of them playing on any national team, but I recognize that it is the nature of things these days. Wiggins has played the second most minutes in the NBA this season and has been icing his knees lately because they are so sore and tired. I'd prefer him to get plenty of rest and be ready for another grind come fall. But it is what it is and it is expected.

Well, yes it does. dude is repping Canada and indirectly t-dot. He's all over sports channels with ads soo. I get what your saying, but steve nash might teach him a few tricks so I assume beneficial to wolve fans.

Post #723 » by **Klomp** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:44 pm

chevycheck wrote:Well, yes it does. dude is repping Canada and indirectly t-dot. He's all over sports channels with ads soo. I get what your saying, but steve nash might teach him a few tricks so I assume beneficial to wolve fans.

What lupus is saying is that us not wanting him to play for Team Canada has nothing to do with Wiggins being Canadien. It's about ensuring that he gets all the rest he needs after a grinding rookie season and before his sophomore campaign.

chevycheck · Post #724 » by **chevycheck** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:51 pm

Klomp wrote:
chevycheck wrote:Well, yes it does. dude is repping Canada and indirectly t-dot. He's all over sports channels with ads soo. I get what your saying, but steve nash might teach him a few tricks so I assume beneficial to wolve fans.

What lupus is saying is that us not wanting him to play for Team Canada has nothing to do with Wiggins being Canadien. It's about ensuring that he gets all the rest he needs after a grinding rookie season and before his sophomore campaign.

Cool ,no problem but kid's young and the way he plays is very efficient endurance wise. And as long as he doesn't get hurt, no biggie.Playing for Canada might get him the alpha dog instincts the kid needs to reach the next level anyhow.

Mattya · Post #725 » by **Mattya** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:51 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/APkrawczynski/status/588443509796970497[/tweet]

AQuintus · Post #726 » by **AQuintus** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:17 am

Here's a comparison of Wiggins' D vs. Noel's D using NBA.com's SportsVU data:

Everything is in PPP (points per possession)

-----------------Wiggins------------Noel
Ball Handler---0.69---------------N/A
Hand-off-------0.68---------------N/A
Isolation-------0.78---------------0.92
Off Screen----1.04----------------0.54 (sample size is very small for both)
Post-up--------1.00----------------0.92
Roll Man------0.77-----------------1.03
Spot-up-------1.07----------------1.08

No data for transition, Cut, putbacks, or Misc due to insufficient number of possessions.

Basically, what this says to be is that Wiggins is actually the better individual defender, but Noel leads on pretty much every defensive metric in large part due to being a better team defender/being on a better defensive team.

Note30 · Post #727 » by **Note30** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:15 am

Andrew Wiggins wrote:“We’ll never forget this year. It’ll be motivation for us. Revenge: try and kill the teams that beat us this year.”

HE'S A BAD BAAD MAN, MAMA.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/b ... e24015944/

LaViggins · Post #728 » by **LaViggins** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:07 am

chevycheck wrote:Well, he is Canadian so makes sense. Zach is American, would you object to him playing usa basketball this summer?

Did Zach play as much as Andrew?

PZiv · Post #729 » by **PZiv** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:38 am

A little FIBA ball can't hurt nobody, especially in Americas conference, 90% of national teams wouldn't beat DLeaguers.
it would be good to watch Joseph/Heslip/Wiggins/Thompson/Olynyk ball. Canada basketball seems to be on rise.

Mattya · Post #730 » by **Mattya** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:38 am

PZiv wrote:A little FIBA ball can't hurt nobody, especially in Americas conference, 90% of national teams wouldn't beat DLeaguers.
it would be good to watch Joseph/Heslip/Wiggins/Thompson/Olynyk ball. Canada basketball seems to be on rise.

Why would you say this? At least we know who to blame if he does get hurt now.

PZiv · Post #731 » by **PZiv** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:45 pm

Mattya wrote:
PZiv wrote:A little FIBA ball can't hurt nobody, especially in Americas conference, 90% of national teams wouldn't beat DLeaguers.
it would be good to watch Joseph/Heslip/Wiggins/Thompson/Olynyk ball. Canada basketball seems to be on rise.

Why would you say this? At least we know who to blame if he does get hurt now.

He is going to play half Amateur teams, if he gets hurt there, he has only HIMSELF to blame, it was his choice.

Mattya · Post #732 » by **Mattya** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:53 pm

PZiv wrote:
Mattya wrote:
PZiv wrote:A little FIBA ball can't hurt nobody, especially in Americas conference, 90% of national teams wouldn't beat DLeaguers.
it would be good to watch Joseph/Heslip/Wiggins/Thompson/Olynyk ball. Canada basketball seems to be on rise.

Why would you say this? At least we know who to blame if he does get hurt now.

He is going to play half Amateur teams, if he gets hurt there, he has only HIMSELF to blame, it was his choice.

Of course he would have only himself to blame. A player can get injured at any level of basketball. I don't care how much better you are than your competition. All it takes is one player putting his foot underneath you when you jump or one hustle play.

PZiv · Post #733 » by **PZiv** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:05 pm

Mattya wrote:
Of course he would have only himself to blame. A player can get injured at any level of basketball. I don't care how much better you are than your competition. All it takes is one player putting his foot underneath you when you jump or one hustle play.

Its up to our managament to show certain interest in protecting mutual interests of both team and the player.
Same thing happens in football, players are sent on friendly national games with minute restrictions. 30 minutes, 45 minutes, 60 minutes.
Also worst thing, Durant and P.George injuriest happened during practice...

Mattya · Post #734 » by **Mattya** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:16 pm

PZiv wrote:
Mattya wrote:
Of course he would have only himself to blame. A player can get injured at any level of basketball. I don't care how much better you are than your competition. All it takes is one player putting his foot underneath you when you jump or one hustle play.

Its up to our managament to show certain interest in protecting mutual interests of both team and the player.
Same thing happens in football, players are sent on friendly national games with minute restrictions. 30 minutes, 45 minutes, 60 minutes.
Also worst thing, Durant and P.George injuriest happened during practice...

Eh, rather he not play, not risk injury.

Post #735 » by **Klomp** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:19 pm

Probably shouldn't step foot in a gym all offseason. Might get hurt.

Mattya · Post #736 » by **Mattya** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:30 pm

Klomp wrote:Probably shouldn't step foot in a gym all offseason. Might get hurt.

Good argument. Would you like some more straw for your argument?

Post #737 » by **Klomp** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:32 pm

Mattya wrote:
Klomp wrote:Probably shouldn't step foot in a gym all offseason. Might get hurt.

Good argument. Would you like some more straw for your argument?

If the fear is that he might get injured in practice or in a game, what other reason is there to step foot in a gym?

Post #738 » by **C.lupus** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:44 pm

I'm more concerned about the minutes and mileage that add up in a year than injuries. I'd also rather these young guys spend the whole summer working on strength and conditioning and improving aspects of their games. That said, I've come to terms with the fact that these FIBA games in the summer are the new reality.

Mattya · Post #739 » by **Mattya** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:50 pm

Klomp wrote:
Mattya wrote:
Klomp wrote:Probably shouldn't step foot in a gym all offseason. Might get hurt.

Good argument. Would you like some more straw for your argument?

If the fear is that he might get injured in practice or in a game, what other reason is there to step foot in a gym?

Your seriously going to roll with this straw man argument? okay. The fear is that he gets injured in a game that doesn't matter to the Wolves. But, hey you are arguing that the risk of Andrew Wiggins getting injured walking into a gym is the same as playing organized competitive basketball. I didn't realize gyms were so dangerous. See, straw man arguments just lead nowhere.

Merc_Porto · Post #740 » by **Merc_Porto** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:59 pm

On world of football (soccer) exist the same discussion about the players playing for the NT and getting injuries. And the clubs think is unfair. They (clubs) pay the salaries and sometimes the players get a big injurie for the NT.

Of course the World of basketball in terms of National teams doesn't have 1/10 of the impact of soccer. But... same worries.

This was just a sideline note