Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

Post #421 » by **Diop** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:40 am

fatlever wrote:Note to self: avoid this thread for the next 6 months. Only come here if there is a post that has been flagged for moderation.

catch20two · Post #422 » by **catch20two** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:34 am

yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:I like Kemba and wanna keep him around...

(Continued)....but at this point I'm so tired of arguing a case for him that I wouldn't mind trading him for a run of the mill PG as long as we finally upgrade the wing position with a 3pt threat that can score at least 15ppg or a scoring big that can put up at least 15ppg without stagnating our offense.

Post #423 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:37 pm

catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:I like Kemba and wanna keep him around...

(Continued)....but at this point I'm so tired of arguing a case for him that I wouldn't mind trading him for a run of the mill PG as long as we finally upgrade the wing position with a 3pt threat that can score at least 15ppg or a scoring big that can put up at least 15ppg without stagnating our offense.

Yeah, I know, but you were leading the charge against him recently. Didn't expect to see you say you'd prefer to keep him.

catch20two · Post #424 » by **catch20two** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:07 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:

(Continued)....but at this point I'm so tired of arguing a case for him that I wouldn't mind trading him for a run of the mill PG as long as we finally upgrade the wing position with a 3pt threat that can score at least 15ppg or a scoring big that can put up at least 15ppg without stagnating our offense.

Yeah, I know, but you were leading the charge against him recently. Didn't expect to see you say you'd prefer to keep him.

I still say that we should trade him for the sake of our RealGM fanbase more than basketball reasons. That hasn't changed.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #425 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:32 pm

catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:(Continued)....but at this point I'm so tired of arguing a case for him that I wouldn't mind trading him for a run of the mill PG as long as we finally upgrade the wing position with a 3pt threat that can score at least 15ppg or a scoring big that can put up at least 15ppg without stagnating our offense.

Yeah, I know, but you were leading the charge against him recently. Didn't expect to see you say you'd prefer to keep him.

I still say that we should trade him for the sake of our RealGM fanbase more than basketball reasons. That hasn't changed.

If we traded Kemba we'd lose half of our RealGM fanbase.

Post #426 » by **fatlever** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:02 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Yeah, I know, but you were leading the charge against him recently. Didn't expect to see you say you'd prefer to keep him.

I still say that we should trade him for the sake of our RealGM fanbase more than basketball reasons. That hasn't changed.

If we traded Kemba we'd lose half of our RealGM fanbase.

and we might get back half the posters we previously lost.

amcoolio · Post #427 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:47 pm

We are doomed to forever argue about our starting PG.

I hate it for the UConn guys, I do. But I simply can't stand by Kemba's inconsistency any longer

HornetJail · Post #428 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:48 am

For the people that want to keep Kemba: what kind of price tag would he have commanded this summer had he not gotten an extension?

The same $12M?

$10M?

$8M?

less?

Post #429 » by **JDR720** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:51 am

probably Isaiah Thomas money, so 8 million?

BeesWax · Post #430 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:51 am

BizGilwalker wrote:For the people that want to keep Kemba: what kind of price tag would he have commanded this summer had he not gotten an extension?

The same $12M?

$10M?

$8M?

less?

I do not know but if I were him whatever it was would not have been here. After two years without any sort of organized offensive flow under Clifford I would have taken a short deal somewhere else to have a chance to prove nobody can succeed under BRD.

Elden Payton · Post #431 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:14 am

JDR720 wrote:probably Isaiah Thomas money, so 8 million?

IT is a much better player though.

Kemba would probably get 6m a year imo.

Thomas' deal shows what "scoring" points are worth in this current climate for PG's.

Post #432 » by **JDR720** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:16 am

Sik Infant wrote:
JDR720 wrote:probably Isaiah Thomas money, so 8 million?

IT is a much better player though.

Kemba would probably get 6m a year imo.

Thomas' deal shows what "scoring" points are worth in this current climate for PG's.

maybe, but IT would've got more if he wasn't 5-8 or whatever height he is.

Post #433 » by **fatlever** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:18 am

jdm3 wrote:I do not know but if I were him whatever it was would not have been here. After two years without any sort of organized offensive flow under Clifford I would have taken a short deal somewhere else to have a chance to prove nobody can succeed under BRD.

Why I am here in this thread again...LOL.

1) I don't think Kemba would get 12 mil this summer as a free agent. He would probably have to accept less money, perhaps on less years (he would probably want a shorter deal).

2) I agree he would probably also think hard about leaving for a team that better suited his strengths.

Further thinking about #2, would Kemba seek out a definite starting position or would he be OK in a timeshare, perhaps as a backup or 6th man? There aren't that many teams right now where Kemba would walk in an be a definite starter from day 1. Almost every team already has an established starting point guard they are happy with (and paying big money) or a young guy they are high on. Lucky for Kemba, one of the teams that needs a point guard is his hometown.

List of teams where he would start sooner than later
- Knicks
- Sixers
- Jazz (Exum can wait or play SG)
- Kings
- Nets (probably ready to move on from Deron. Worst case he splits time for a year then takes over)
- Lakers (if they move Clarkson over to SG)
- Houston (we've talked about this before, Beverley is a better fit next to Harden, but Kemba could probably take that job)
- Dallas (if Rondo leaves)
- Indiana (time share with George Hill)
- Chicago (just wait til Rose gets hurt again)

Elden Payton · Post #434 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:23 am

JDR720 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
JDR720 wrote:probably Isaiah Thomas money, so 8 million?

IT is a much better player though.

Kemba would probably get 6m a year imo.

Thomas' deal shows what "scoring" points are worth in this current climate for PG's.

maybe, but IT would've got more if he wasn't 5-8 or whatever height he is.

Production is what matters, another couple of inches is not going to get 5m more a season for IT.

The market dictated his price, unfortunately we didn't do that with Kemba.

mrknowitall215 · Post #435 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:25 am

The Sixers and the city of Philadelphia have enough cap space to swallow the poison pill (Kemba Walker) for you guys. All it take is for Cho to offer Kemba for a few 2nd rounders and both parties should be satisfied

Elden Payton · Post #436 » by **Elden Payton** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:28 am

fatlever wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I do not know but if I were him whatever it was would not have been here. After two years without any sort of organized offensive flow under Clifford I would have taken a short deal somewhere else to have a chance to prove nobody can succeed under BRD.

Why I am here in this thread again...LOL.

1) I don't think Kemba would get 12 mil this summer as a free agent. He would probably have to accept less money, perhaps on less years (he would probably want a shorter deal).

2) I agree he would probably also think hard about leaving for a team that better suited his strengths.

Further thinking about #2, would Kemba seek out a definite starting position or would he be OK in a timeshare, perhaps as a backup or 6th man? There aren't that many teams right now where Kemba would walk in an be a definite starter from day 1. Almost every team already has an established starting point guard they are happy with (and paying big money) or a young guy they are high on. Lucky for Kemba, one of the teams that needs a point guard is his hometown.

List of teams where he would start sooner than later
- Knicks
- Sixers
- Jazz (Exum can wait or play SG)
- Kings
- Nets (probably ready to move on from Deron. Worst case he splits time for a year then takes over)
- Lakers (if they move Clarkson over to SG)
- Houston (we've talked about this before, Beverley is a better fit next to Harden, but Kemba could probably take that job)
- Dallas (if Rondo leaves)
- Indiana (time share with George Hill)
- Chicago (just wait til Rose gets hurt again)

NYK
BKN
Philly
Charlotte

Probably the only teams that would be interested or he would get close to starting on.

Braggins · Post #437 » by **Braggins** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:29 am

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mrknowitall215 wrote:The Sixers and the city of Philadelphia have enough cap space to swallow the poison pill (Kemba Walker) for you guys. All it take is for Cho to offer Kemba for a few 2nd rounders and both parties should be satisfied

Lets do it. I like the Sixers and would be happy seeing him play there.

DY_nasty · Post #438 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:32 am

Out of all the criticism thrown at Cho, I think him re-signing Kemba early was his worst move to date.

mrknowitall215 · Post #439 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:45 am

Braggins wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:The Sixers and the city of Philadelphia have enough cap space to swallow the poison pill (Kemba Walker) for you guys. All it take is for Cho to offer Kemba for a few 2nd rounders and both parties should be satisfied

Lets do it. I like the Sixers and would be happy seeing him play there.

Kemba Walker
D'Angelo Russell (2015 Sixers pick)
Robert Covington
Nerlens Noel
Joel Embiid

...I love that starting lineup...

Braggins · Post #440 » by **Braggins** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:50 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Braggins wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:The Sixers and the city of Philadelphia have enough cap space to swallow the poison pill (Kemba Walker) for you guys. All it take is for Cho to offer Kemba for a few 2nd rounders and both parties should be satisfied

Lets do it. I like the Sixers and would be happy seeing him play there.

Kemba Walker
D'Angelo Russell (2015 Sixers pick)
Robert Covington
Nerlens Noel
Joel Embiid

...I love that starting lineup...

Yep, love it. Make it happen Cho. That team would be so fun to watch and if Embiid turns out ok they would be basically set at every position. I've actually liked the idea of Kemba going to the Sixers for a while. I'd rather it work out for him here but it seems most of the fans, on here at least, have pretty much written him off.