Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

[catch20two]

Are people at the point yet where they have decided that not only can Kemba and Hendo not work next to each other, but also Kemba and MKG not work next to each other? We are never going to have good spacing with MKG in the lineup, even if we add a very good 3pt shooting SG, like Danny Green. Do we as fans or the front office ever get to the point where a decision has to be made between Kemba and MKG?

See CDR filling in for Hendo in the month of March 2014. Thats the closest we've had to a prototypical SG in 4 years if not more. CDR played the role of a spot-up 3pt shooter that could create if he had to. All that to say that CDR isn't even ideal but he played the role.

Our offense went from 101.2 with Hendo to 108.4 during that spurt with CDR sporting a 113.4 offensive rating during that span playing about 30 minutes a game.

Kemba and MKG can coexist with a legit SG between them.

Once again, CDR isn't ideal and not the SG we need but he played the role temporarily and the results were in the production.

[LofJ]

Are people at the point yet where they have decided that not only can Kemba and Hendo not work next to each other, but also Kemba and MKG not work next to each other? We are never going to have good spacing with MKG in the lineup, even if we add a very good 3pt shooting SG, like Danny Green. Do we as fans or the front office ever get to the point where a decision has to be made between Kemba and MKG?

If MKG did not make the jump this season that he did with his shot we would definitely be having that conversation and I would probably be in favor of looking to trade him. The plan was to correct his footwork last offseason and to perfect his release this offseason. If he regresses and doesn't continue to improve his jumpshot over the coming season then I will agree it is a safe bet that we'll never have good spacing with him in the lineup. I don't think that will happen though given his work ethic and the precedent of this past season.

edit: catch brings up a damn good point about CDR. We need a 3 and D player at SG so damn bad it hurts.

[mrknowitall215]

You explained with detail in a nutshell why all of our PGs over the past 4 years have shot at 40% or below (except for that 1 year Kemba shot about 43% under Dunlap), WE DON'T HAVE NO WING SHOOTING!

2011-12
D.J. Augustin - 37.6%
Kemba Walker - 36.6%
Cory Higgins - 32.5%

2012-13
Kemba Walker - 42.3%
Ramon Sessions - 40.8%
Jannero Pargo - 40.1%

2013-14
Ramon Sessions - 40.9%
Kemba Walker - 39.3%
Luke Ridnour - 38.9%

2014-15
Mo Williams - 39.0%
Brian Roberts - 38.9%
Kemba Walker - 38.5%

...I don't think it's a coincidence

[catch20two]

You explained with detail in a nutshell why all of our PGs over the past 4 years have shot at 40% or below (except for that 1 year Kemba shot about 43% under Dunlap), WE DON'T HAVE NO WING SHOOTING!

2011-12
D.J. Augustin - 37.6%
Kemba Walker - 36.6%
Cory Higgins - 32.5%

2012-13
Kemba Walker - 42.3%
Ramon Sessions - 40.8%
Jannero Pargo - 40.1%

2013-14
Ramon Sessions - 40.9%
Kemba Walker - 39.3%
Luke Ridnour - 38.9%

2014-15
Mo Williams - 39.0%
Brian Roberts - 38.9%
Kemba Walker - 38.5%

...I don't think it's a coincidence

Unless we want to use the narrative that Cho is such a great GM that he prefer inefficient chucking PGs, wherever the genius in that is, it's pure genius.

[yosemiteben]

Huh, guess the Kemba folks have decided to try to make a rally.

I'm not super-interested in debating Kemba's merits because he isn't getting moved or replaced so I'll just see if he can turn it around next season.

[catch20two]

Huh, guess the Kemba folks have decided to try to make a rally.

Comments like this is why I want Kemba traded because those who are anti to indifferent about Kemba place anyone who have a positive outlook on him in a box as a Kemba homer or Uconn fan in which I am neither. I just don't despise one of the few decent players we have on this team that I think can help us win.

And then they wonder why I don't like giving my REAL opinion 100% of the time.

[fatlever]

Are people at the point yet where they have decided that not only can Kemba and Hendo not work next to each other, but also Kemba and MKG not work next to each other? We are never going to have good spacing with MKG in the lineup, even if we add a very good 3pt shooting SG, like Danny Green. Do we as fans or the front office ever get to the point where a decision has to be made between Kemba and MKG?

See CDR filling in for Hendo in the month of March 2014. Thats the closest we've had to a prototypical SG in 4 years if not more. CDR played the role of a spot-up 3pt shooter that could create if he had to. All that to say that CDR isn't even ideal but he played the role.

Our offense went from 101.2 with Hendo to 108.4 during that spurt with CDR sporting a 113.4 offensive rating during that span playing about 30 minutes a game.

Kemba and MKG can coexist with a legit SG between them.

Once again, CDR isn't ideal and not the SG we need but he played the role temporarily and the results were in the production.

Im not sure its that simple. MKG played, what, 24 minutes a game in that stretch? Kemba had CDR, Tolliver (at times) and McRoberts next to him for a good chunk of those minutes - all 3 are better options than we had this year - and Jefferson playing out of his mind, which is unlikely to happen again. I'm not quite ready to say that you can play Kemba and MKG 35 minutes a piece and still expect good spacing. It can get better than it was this past year, as evidenced by the stretch you mentioned though. We need 3pt shooting from our PF spot just as much as we need it from our SG spot if we want to play both Kemba, MKG and a non-3pt shooting big (Al or Biz) big minutes. That at least gives us 2.5 3pt shooters (I am giving Kemba 0.5 for the games he gets hot).

[DY_nasty]

maybe none of those guys were any good for what we needed at the time lol

[catch20two]

Are people at the point yet where they have decided that not only can Kemba and Hendo not work next to each other, but also Kemba and MKG not work next to each other? We are never going to have good spacing with MKG in the lineup, even if we add a very good 3pt shooting SG, like Danny Green. Do we as fans or the front office ever get to the point where a decision has to be made between Kemba and MKG?

See CDR filling in for Hendo in the month of March 2014. Thats the closest we've had to a prototypical SG in 4 years if not more. CDR played the role of a spot-up 3pt shooter that could create if he had to. All that to say that CDR isn't even ideal but he played the role.

Our offense went from 101.2 with Hendo to 108.4 during that spurt with CDR sporting a 113.4 offensive rating during that span playing about 30 minutes a game.

Kemba and MKG can coexist with a legit SG between them.

Once again, CDR isn't ideal and not the SG we need but he played the role temporarily and the results were in the production.

Im not sure its that simple. MKG played, what, 24 minutes a game in that stretch? Kemba had CDR, Tolliver (at times) and McRoberts next to him for a good chunk of those minutes - all 3 are better options than we had this year - and Jefferson playing out of his mind, which is unlikely to happen again. I'm not quite ready to say that you can play Kemba and MKG 35 minutes a piece and still expect good spacing. It can get better than it was this past year, as evidenced by the stretch you mentioned though. We need 3pt shooting from our PF spot just as much as we need it from our SG spot if we want to play both Kemba, MKG and a non-3pt shooting big (Al or Biz) big minutes. That at least gives us 2.5 3pt shooters (I am giving Kemba 0.5 for the games he gets hot).

Can it be as simple as a 3-man lineup of CDR/MKG/Kemba had a 114.7 ORTG compared to a 3-man lineup of Hendo/MKG/Kemba having a 100.9 ORTG?

[fatlever]

See CDR filling in for Hendo in the month of March 2014. Thats the closest we've had to a prototypical SG in 4 years if not more. CDR played the role of a spot-up 3pt shooter that could create if he had to. All that to say that CDR isn't even ideal but he played the role.

Our offense went from 101.2 with Hendo to 108.4 during that spurt with CDR sporting a 113.4 offensive rating during that span playing about 30 minutes a game.

Kemba and MKG can coexist with a legit SG between them.

Once again, CDR isn't ideal and not the SG we need but he played the role temporarily and the results were in the production.

Im not sure its that simple. MKG played, what, 24 minutes a game in that stretch? Kemba had CDR, Tolliver (at times) and McRoberts next to him for a good chunk of those minutes - all 3 are better options than we had this year - and Jefferson playing out of his mind, which is unlikely to happen again. I'm not quite ready to say that you can play Kemba and MKG 35 minutes a piece and still expect good spacing. It can get better than it was this past year, as evidenced by the stretch you mentioned though. We need 3pt shooting from our PF spot just as much as we need it from our SG spot if we want to play both Kemba, MKG and a non-3pt shooting big (Al or Biz) big minutes. That at least gives us 2.5 3pt shooters (I am giving Kemba 0.5 for the games he gets hot).

Can it be as simple as a 3-man lineup of CDR/MKG/Kemba had a 114.7 ORTG compared to a 3-man lineup of Hendo/MKG/Kemba having a 100.9 ORTG?

LOL, maybe it can. Lets hope so.

[catch20two]

Im not sure its that simple. MKG played, what, 24 minutes a game in that stretch? Kemba had CDR, Tolliver (at times) and McRoberts next to him for a good chunk of those minutes - all 3 are better options than we had this year - and Jefferson playing out of his mind, which is unlikely to happen again. I'm not quite ready to say that you can play Kemba and MKG 35 minutes a piece and still expect good spacing. It can get better than it was this past year, as evidenced by the stretch you mentioned though. We need 3pt shooting from our PF spot just as much as we need it from our SG spot if we want to play both Kemba, MKG and a non-3pt shooting big (Al or Biz) big minutes. That at least gives us 2.5 3pt shooters (I am giving Kemba 0.5 for the games he gets hot).

Can it be as simple as a 3-man lineup of CDR/MKG/Kemba had a 114.7 ORTG compared to a 3-man lineup of Hendo/MKG/Kemba having a 100.9 ORTG?

LOL, maybe it can. Lets hope so.

Lol. Even Neal between Kemba and MKG sported a 110.5 ORTG but the defense took a superhit of 122.7 because our backcourt was too little and Neal couldn't stick to flypaper.

[fatlever]

My counter would be

A lineup of Kemba/Hendo/MKG had an ORTG of 99.8 this year
A lineup of Mo/Hendo/MKG had an Ortg of 109.0 this year

Doesn't really matter where the 3pt shooting comes from, it just has to get better in order for the team to function at a higher level. obviously improving the 3pt shooting is a must, but Kemba is also partly to blame for our spacing problems.

I least we all agree that if we keep Kemba and MKG playing heaving minutes, they have to be surrounded by 3pt shooters. The more, the better.

[catch20two]

My counter would be

A lineup of Kemba/Hendo/MKG had an ORTG of 99.8 this year
A lineup of Mo/Hendo/MKG had an Ortg of 109.0 this year

Doesn't really matter where the 3pt shooting comes from, it just has to get better in order for the team to function at a higher level. obviously improving the 3pt shooting is a must, but Kemba is also partly to blame for our spacing problems.

I least we all agree that if we keep Kemba and MKG playing heaving minutes, they have to be surrounded by 3pt shooters. The more, the better.

Good counter but as you' ve stated it doesn't change the obvious that we need good perimeter shooting.

If it come down to Kemba or Hendo I would easily take Kemba. Even in a down year Kemba still had a PER of 18 while Hendo remained below average with 13 this year.

[catch20two]

But I still want to trade Kemba if it'll make 90% of us happier and more content with the team. I'm getting too old to handle confrontation on a daily basis now that I'm in my mid 30s.

[Elden Payton]

The fact remains that trading Kemba is a real possibility and is something that would benefit the franchise in the long run imo.

Perhaps, but dumping him to the 76ers and including draft picks to do it would be asinine.

I never suggested so, MKIA is being facetious.

I have suggested that we trade Kemba for Crash+#15 which would be a good deal for us imo.

[mrknowitall215]

The fact remains that trading Kemba is a real possibility and is something that would benefit the franchise in the long run imo.

Perhaps, but dumping him to the 76ers and including draft picks to do it would be asinine.

I never suggested so, MKIA is being facetious.

I have suggested that we trade Kemba for Crash+#15 which would be a good deal for us imo.

I wasn't being facetious but serious since I am a Sixers fan at heart, and never included it as your suggestion, just mine

I like that deal for Crash (Gerald Wallace) + #15 too. Kemba returning to the Boston/Connecticut region would be nice for him I think, and Crash returning to the Charlotte area would bring back some decent nostalgia

[fatlever]

My counter would be

A lineup of Kemba/Hendo/MKG had an ORTG of 99.8 this year
A lineup of Mo/Hendo/MKG had an Ortg of 109.0 this year

Doesn't really matter where the 3pt shooting comes from, it just has to get better in order for the team to function at a higher level. obviously improving the 3pt shooting is a must, but Kemba is also partly to blame for our spacing problems.

I least we all agree that if we keep Kemba and MKG playing heaving minutes, they have to be surrounded by 3pt shooters. The more, the better.

Good counter but as you' ve stated it doesn't change the obvious that we need good perimeter shooting.

If it come down to Kemba or Hendo I would easily take Kemba. Even in a down year Kemba still had a PER of 18 while Hendo remained below average with 13 this year.

Kemba or Hendo, yeah, that's definitely not a debate on my end. Kemba all day, every day.

[JDR720]

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[yosemiteben]

Huh, guess the Kemba folks have decided to try to make a rally.

Comments like this is why I want Kemba traded because those who are anti to indifferent about Kemba place anyone who have a positive outlook on him in a box as a Kemba homer or Uconn fan in which I am neither. I just don't despise one of the few decent players we have on this team that I think can help us win.

And then they wonder why I don't like giving my REAL opinion 100% of the time.

Yawn. I would respect you a lot more if you didn't flip all over the place. You were legitimately trying to convince people you held a view that apparently you don't. I can't keep track of your view on Kemba.

I don't argue about some things because I don't feel like taking on the whole board on a view I have, but I'm not going to argue for the majority view just because it's easier.

[catch20two]

Huh, guess the Kemba folks have decided to try to make a rally.

Comments like this is why I want Kemba traded because those who are anti to indifferent about Kemba place anyone who have a positive outlook on him in a box as a Kemba homer or Uconn fan in which I am neither. I just don't despise one of the few decent players we have on this team that I think can help us win.

And then they wonder why I don't like giving my REAL opinion 100% of the time.

Yawn. I would respect you a lot more if you didn't flip all over the place. You were legitimately trying to convince people you held a view that apparently you don't. I can't keep track of your view on Kemba.

I don't argue about some things because I don't feel like taking on the whole board on a view I have, but I'm not going to argue for the majority view just because it's easier.

My stance has been consistent lately. I want Kemba traded for the sake of 90% of our fans. I think he's a undersized chucker that isn't a traditional PG in the sense of pure passing but I think he's a competitive leader that could take this team somewhere at the same time. I can't help it if I try to see the Kemba debate from both sides nowadays to avoid a lot conflict. He's a polarizing figure that shouldn't be the #1 option for any team expecting to go past the 1st round. There you have it.