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The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread

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Re: The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#481 » by aaron_gray » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:56 am

Jakay wrote:I'd really like to see this team somehow land Cousins. It just seems like a good fit to me in a way that I don't have any good reasons for, other than the big man history of the Lakers.

Personally, so long as the Lakers can keep the pick, I'd probably use it as leverage in a last ditch effort, since I don't know what it would take to land him otherwise. Randle and Clarkson are enough developing youth for a starting line-up. That trio with one or two smart complimentary signings would be a good start.

A star backcourt player is the next biggest hurdle after that. Kobe is already old, and as promising as Clarkson is, I don't think he's enough. I'd say SF, but I expect to see Randle play at both forward positions, especially if Hill and Davis are still around.

But yeah, Cousins would be target 1 for me, I think. He's just so talented, and already putting up big numbers without being a prima donna anymore. It's not a far move, I don't feel that anyone in this draft will put up better numbers than he is already (but I am NOT a college guy, so that's more just the lack of substantial consensus speaking) and I gotta think Vlade still has a bit of love for this organization, even given the epic playoff battles that ensued shortly afterwards.


It would probably take randle, the top 5 pick and clarkson to get DMC. That is a trade you do if you subscribe to the "you need a franchise player to win a championship" school of thought, and that trade might only be available if the rift between cousins and Karl is real. I guess at the end of the day it just depends how you want to build a team. If you think that talent trumps all and the building a big 3 should be prioritized, then that trade is definitely for you. It's a safe trade, one that shifts the risk of Randle/top 5 pick not panning out to the Kings. It also greatly increases the chances of a love Westbrook reunion in La happening. There are other ways to build a team, but the Lakers are in a position where they hold assets.
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Re: The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#482 » by Jakay » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:06 am

I don't buy into the necessity for a big three, Kobe and Shaq should pretty much be enough evidence for that. Nor do I buy that Cousins is worth mortgaging the future over. It's not like he's been an unstoppable force that got into the playoffs regardless of the players around him. His stock is good, but not untradeable good. Whereas a top 3 pick does have a lot of potential, especially for a team that may be considering moving into a rebuild, which I'd say the Kings have to be at least considering now that Cousins has intimated that he may want to move on.

It would likely take more than just the pick, but it certainly isn't worth all three. That doesn't seem like a very good moving forward kind of direction anyway. Just look at what NY gave up for Melo, and how that panned out. One good season, and now, just Melo.
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Post#483 » by aaron_gray » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:32 pm

Jakay wrote:I don't buy into the necessity for a big three, Kobe and Shaq should pretty much be enough evidence for that. Nor do I buy that Cousins is worth mortgaging the future over. It's not like he's been an unstoppable force that got into the playoffs regardless of the players around him. His stock is good, but not untradeable good. Whereas a top 3 pick does have a lot of potential, especially for a team that may be considering moving into a rebuild, which I'd say the Kings have to be at least considering now that Cousins has intimated that he may want to move on.

It would likely take more than just the pick, but it certainly isn't worth all three. That doesn't seem like a very good moving forward kind of direction anyway. Just look at what NY gave up for Melo, and how that panned out. One good season, and now, just Melo.


Kobe and Shaq actually provide compelling evidence for the need of generational talent to win a championship. In terms of Ny and Melo, I mean I don't know. There's that and there's the celtics and heat (and of course, the nets, although the level of talent wasn't the same). It's a minuscule sample size that shows the ceiling and the floor of a big 3, but I'm not sure you can use that info to predict the future in any meaningful way.

Given that DMC is just turning 25, it's probably closer to redirecting the future than mortgaging it. His advanced stats are what you stated: good, but nothing really jumps out the page in terms of PPP on post ups and offensive rebounds. Yet you can't deny that he has one of the most versatile skill sets for someone his size in the league. At times, he has looked like someone who would command double teams, especially on the post ups where he powers to the rim instead of shooting a jumper. He draws fouls at a ridiculous rate and is someone you can build around. In terms of the knock on his ability to make the playoffs, I can't really comment on that because I have a different viewpoint on an individuals impact towards a playoff push. For what it's worth though, that team looked like a playoff team early in the season when they were dialed in.

It's a real way to build a team. Whether there is a better way is very debatable, but you can swap those guys for Cousins and essentially move on to the next step. Houston has found itself a contender after the Harden trade and the Dwight signing, and you can bet that Ainge is looking for the next one. DMC would be bait to lure talent back to LA and he's under contract for a while. Half the mods on this forum would trade all our current and future assets for Russell Westbrook. If you guys think Westbrook alone is going to make this team a playoff team, then the same thinking can be applied to DMC, although he obviously hasn't produced on Westbrook's level yet.
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Re: The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#484 » by One Love » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:14 pm

DMC is a cancer and a loser... His teams never win... Clarkson, Randle & 4th > Cousins all day long... If you want an anchor draft WCS... If you want a wing draft Russell, Stanley or Winslow... SIMPLE...
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Post#485 » by LApwnd » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:20 pm

agree with those here who don't want to mort. our future on Cousins. Dude has a bad attitude in general, Sac fans can defend him all they want but every season thus far he's been suspended by his own team for whatever infractions he's causing behind closed doors, not sure if he got suspended this year. This is just a more talented Sheed Wallace but w/o the actual leadership skills that Sheed later developed. Also by depleting our young core which we have very little of to get him, we wont be able to surround him with much help next season and to start his tenure here with more losing is not going to be a good look for us or him.
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Re: The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#486 » by FLIPT » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:09 pm

I like DMC, but not on the defensive end of the court. He's strictly a PF that you put next to a 7ft with limited offense but great weakside defense(Javale M). I'd only offer Sac Hill & the lottery pick,swap Young for their last yr top pick to get that circus out of town.I'm not worried about DMC attitude, all these guys seem to be happier in LALA land.
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Post#487 » by ak7 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:23 pm

Draft a 3 (Winslow), max Jimmy Butler.. one can dream.
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Re: The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#488 » by ArC_man » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:55 pm

I'm not a big fan of Cousins. I think he's a complimentary piece and not a franchise player so I wouldn't trade multiple cost controlled complimentary pieces for him. He's extremely turnover prone and hasn't shown any improvement in his career thus far. He also doesn't shoot 50% FG despite taking a majority of his shots within 10 feet (compare that with Marc Gasol who shoots 50% despite being primarily a mid-range jump shooter or Anthony Davis who shoots above 50% while also taking a large % of mid-range jumpers). He's an all-star and a great player but I'm not trading all of my assets for a #2 option.
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Re: The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#489 » by Kilroy » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:03 am

I'm going to unstick this right now and replace it with the Lottery Watch thread. We'll keep that up until after the draft, and then bring this back up for the free agency period in July.
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The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#490 » by Kangaroohop » Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:46 am

Sasha, Farmar, Odom, or Powell anyone?


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Post#491 » by ratedrdb » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:53 pm

when we draft winslow we wont need butler
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Post#492 » by LApwnd » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:44 pm

Kangaroohop wrote:Sasha, Farmar, Odom, or Powell anyone?


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heard Odom and Khole are trying to get back together as Odom never signed his divorce papers in hopes of working it out. who knows she might be good for him and get him back to being a useful 6th man again.
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Re: The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#493 » by Austincys21 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:58 am

LApwnd wrote:
Kangaroohop wrote:Sasha, Farmar, Odom, or Powell anyone?


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heard Odom and Khole are trying to get back together as Odom never signed his divorce papers in hopes of working it out. who knows she might be good for him and get him back to being a useful 6th man again.



She's th one who ruined his career.
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Re: The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#494 » by LApwnd » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:39 am

Austincys21 wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
Kangaroohop wrote:Sasha, Farmar, Odom, or Powell anyone?


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heard Odom and Khole are trying to get back together as Odom never signed his divorce papers in hopes of working it out. who knows she might be good for him and get him back to being a useful 6th man again.



She's th one who ruined his career.

He became 6th man of the yr when he was with her...get your fact straight
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Re: The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#495 » by TyCobb » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:41 am

LApwnd wrote:
Austincys21 wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
heard Odom and Khole are trying to get back together as Odom never signed his divorce papers in hopes of working it out. who knows she might be good for him and get him back to being a useful 6th man again.



She's th one who ruined his career.

He became 6th man of the yr when he was with her...get your fact straight


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Re: The Official 2015 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#496 » by LApwnd » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:43 am

TyCobb wrote:
LApwnd wrote:
Austincys21 wrote:

She's th one who ruined his career.

He became 6th man of the yr when he was with her...get your fact straight


Is that you Rob Kardashian?

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