Game 1 - Warriors V Pelicans: The Battle Commences

[CCComboBreaker]

Bogut is my choice because he had impact beyond the numbers. Curry balled out though.

[Franc]

I think he got Charlie horsed......knee to the thigh.

A contusion to the thigh?

I've been reading from the beat writers that he sprained his ankle...

Do you know if he's OK and if he will be playing

[East Bay Sports]

I'm certain he will play.. guess we will find out if he is 100% or not once the game starts

[Coxy]

Draymond just needs a tin of spinach, he'll be fine.

[OptionZero]

Mo has the length to cause problems on D, but he doesn't seem particularly motivated (at least not consistently) to use his tools. Since the start of the season and other than short bursts after that, he's played pretty damn soft and small on D. Coming over late to draw charges, getting the random gift call, but thats bad defense.

He needs to get his damn hands up and challenge shots, affect passing lanes, and move his damn feet.

On offense i dont think his first shot shot be a J from 19 feet. He is mobile enough to take Asik, Cunningham, or Anderson. Get some flow going, then shoot those J's. He won't always be in OHMYGODMOBUCKETS mode right away.

But yeah **** needs to see a doctor bout that thing on his head

[RoyalMajesty]

Shaun Livingston have 1 move and 1 move only: The post up and turn around fadeaway short jumper No three point shot, not even a midrange jumper, no range whatsoever. PATHETIC! He's pretty damn predictable.

I also kept on saying how Livingston's defense is overrated. He stays getting beat and loses his man. Speed is what kills him especially PGs that are very agile and quick with the basketball. He needs to have a guy like Klay Thompson at SG that can shoot the basketball and is a nightmare defending PGs while Shaun Livingston defends SG with his lack of foot speed.

I like to see this lineup of PG-Shaun Livingston, SG-Klay Thompson, PF-Draymond Green or Harrison Barnes, SF-Harrison Barnes or Andre Iguodala, and C-Marreese Speights for the rest of this playoffs series against the Pelicans when Ryan Anderson or Danta Cunningham is at PF and Omer Asik or Alexis Ajinca is at C to give Stephen Curry and Andrew Bogut some rest. Shaun Livingston and Marreese Speights are much better when they are on the court together. I just don't get why Steve Kerr play them separately.

[bakesale]

All of Bogut's +8 was while Curry was there. Bogut's minutes without Curry were actually minus (-7).

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Bogut was fine, but the voting for player of the game only has one answer. Well, maybe two. A vote for Green makes sense too.

Wasn't it jester or some other stats nerd that said plus minus from one game is mostly bull?

From my observations Pelicans started to build momentum when bogut was on the bench, they started to grab more offensive rebounds and score a lot more in the paint and thus grab hold of the momentum. Bringing bogut back on when the other team already has a full head of steam is too late. Also, I'd like to know how often the Pelicans scored in the paint when bogut was off the floor and what their fg% was like...

Also bogut really set the tone and played some tremendous defence in the first quarter... To me, that is what won it. Davis couldn't get by bogut early on and that was crucial to our victory.

If bogut played 35-36 minutes in that game I reckon we would've kept a 20 point margin and the Pelicans would be left wandering what the hell they need to do to win. Instead now Davis has all the confidence in the world and they start the next game with the momentum in their favour and they left us wandering what the hell are we going to do about Davis?

As for curry, his shooting wasn't all that great and he didn't involve his teammates as much as I would've liked. It was a solid performance but it wasn't great

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[WarriorsEFC]

All of Bogut's +8 was while Curry was there. Bogut's minutes without Curry were actually minus (-7).

http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20150418&game=NORGSW

Bogut was fine, but the voting for player of the game only has one answer. Well, maybe two. A vote for Green makes sense too.

Wasn't it jester or some other stats nerd that said plus minus from one game is mostly bull?

From my observations Pelicans started to build momentum when bogut was on the bench, they started to grab more offensive rebounds and score a lot more in the paint and thus grab hold of the momentum. Bringing bogut back on when the other team already has a full head of steam is too late. Also, I'd like to know how often the Pelicans scored in the paint when bogut was off the floor and what their fg% was like...

Also bogut really set the tone and played some tremendous defence in the first quarter... To me, that is what won it. Davis couldn't get by bogut early on and that was crucial to our victory.

If bogut played 35-36 minutes in that game I reckon we would've kept a 20 point margin and the Pelicans would be left wandering what the hell they need to do to win. Instead now Davis has all the confidence in the world and they start the next game with the momentum in their favour and they left us wandering what the hell are we going to do about Davis?

As for curry, his shooting wasn't all that great and he didn't involve his teammates as much as I would've liked. It was a solid performance but it wasn't great

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And watching it back again Bogut lost most of that +/- when he was with the bench trying to stop the rot. He actually got some very good open looks with his passing but Klay and others missed wide open shots and the offense stagnated.

[turk3d]

All of Bogut's +8 was while Curry was there. Bogut's minutes without Curry were actually minus (-7).

http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20150418&game=NORGSW

Bogut was fine, but the voting for player of the game only has one answer. Well, maybe two. A vote for Green makes sense too.

Wasn't it jester or some other stats nerd that said plus minus from one game is mostly bull?

From my observations Pelicans started to build momentum when bogut was on the bench, they started to grab more offensive rebounds and score a lot more in the paint and thus grab hold of the momentum. Bringing bogut back on when the other team already has a full head of steam is too late. Also, I'd like to know how often the Pelicans scored in the paint when bogut was off the floor and what their fg% was like...

Also bogut really set the tone and played some tremendous defence in the first quarter... To me, that is what won it. Davis couldn't get by bogut early on and that was crucial to our victory.

If bogut played 35-36 minutes in that game I reckon we would've kept a 20 point margin and the Pelicans would be left wandering what the hell they need to do to win. Instead now Davis has all the confidence in the world and they start the next game with the momentum in their favour and they left us wandering what the hell are we going to do about Davis?

As for curry, his shooting wasn't all that great and he didn't involve his teammates as much as I would've liked. It was a solid performance but it wasn't great

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I agree with everything you said here, bakesale.

[cj03]

Shaun Livingston have 1 move and 1 move only: The post up and turn around fadeaway short jumper No three point shot, not even a midrange jumper, no range whatsoever. PATHETIC! He's pretty damn predictable.

I also kept on saying how Livingston's defense is overrated. He stays getting beat and loses his man. Speed is what kills him especially PGs that are very agile and quick with the basketball. He needs to have a guy like Klay Thompson at SG that can shoot the basketball and is a nightmare defending PGs while Shaun Livingston defends SG with his lack of foot speed.

I like to see this lineup of PG-Shaun Livingston, SG-Klay Thompson, PF-Draymond Green or Harrison Barnes, SF-Harrison Barnes or Andre Iguodala, and C-Marreese Speights for the rest of this playoffs series against the Pelicans when Ryan Anderson or Danta Cunningham is at PF and Omer Asik or Alexis Ajinca is at C to give Stephen Curry and Andrew Bogut some rest. Shaun Livingston and Marreese Speights are much better when they are on the court together. I just don't get why Steve Kerr play them separately.

Pretty much on point here. Livingston is basically another solid wing defender out there. He'll struggle against the guys who have elite quickness.

[floppymoose]

Wasn't it jester or some other stats nerd that said plus minus from one game is mostly bull?

For determining who is the more important player in general, absolutely. But I was trying to address this particular claim you made:

"I think we stunk when bogut was off the floor"

We were -1 when Bogut was off the floor. So if we stank then, so did New Orleans.

From my observations Pelicans started to build momentum when bogut was on the bench, they started to grab more offensive rebounds and score a lot more in the paint and thus grab hold of the momentum. Bringing bogut back on when the other team already has a full head of steam is too late. [...]

Bogut was good, but the runs NO made were when Curry was off. Our offense was a mess whenever Curry was off. The team seems uncertain what to do when he's not there.

[Mylie10]

All of Bogut's +8 was while Curry was there. Bogut's minutes without Curry were actually minus (-7).

http://popcornmachine.net/gf?date=20150418&game=NORGSW

Bogut was fine, but the voting for player of the game only has one answer. Well, maybe two. A vote for Green makes sense too.

Wasn't it jester or some other stats nerd that said plus minus from one game is mostly bull?

From my observations Pelicans started to build momentum when bogut was on the bench, they started to grab more offensive rebounds and score a lot more in the paint and thus grab hold of the momentum. Bringing bogut back on when the other team already has a full head of steam is too late. Also, I'd like to know how often the Pelicans scored in the paint when bogut was off the floor and what their fg% was like...

Also bogut really set the tone and played some tremendous defence in the first quarter... To me, that is what won it. Davis couldn't get by bogut early on and that was crucial to our victory.

If bogut played 35-36 minutes in that game I reckon we would've kept a 20 point margin and the Pelicans would be left wandering what the hell they need to do to win. Instead now Davis has all the confidence in the world and they start the next game with the momentum in their favour and they left us wandering what the hell are we going to do about Davis?

As for curry, his shooting wasn't all that great and he didn't involve his teammates as much as I would've liked. It was a solid performance but it wasn't great

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Plus minus for one game is bull if you're trying to make a grand statement or long term prediction. But it can help to point out how the score went while a guy was on the floor. You might see a big plus and then look at the box score to see what else a guy may have done to earn that plus or minus for that game.

Or maybe you watch a game and have a feeling about what you saw...then you look at a box score to see if what you thought you saw affected the score the way you might have thought.

So the fact that Steph was +20 and Draymond was +23.....then it kind of leads you to believe they played well. Or they were a part of the team playing well.

A year or twos worth of plus minus can tell a story.

[Mylie10]

Wasn't it jester or some other stats nerd that said plus minus from one game is mostly bull?

For determining who is the more important player in general, absolutely. But I was trying to address this particular claim you made:

"I think we stunk when bogut was off the floor"

We were -1 when Bogut was off the floor. So if we stank then, so did New Orleans.

From my observations Pelicans started to build momentum when bogut was on the bench, they started to grab more offensive rebounds and score a lot more in the paint and thus grab hold of the momentum. Bringing bogut back on when the other team already has a full head of steam is too late. [...]

Bogut was good, but the runs NO made were when Curry was off. Our offense was a mess whenever Curry was off. The team seems uncertain what to do when he's not there.

Livingston said that when Steph sits guys go into self mode.

[cj03]

Livingston said that when Steph sits guys go into self mode.

Yea pretty much we posted Livingston or Klay up, and everyone stood around. I was shocked at the lack of ball movement. No one bothered cutting, flaring, setting screens, nothing.

[bakesale]

Wasn't it jester or some other stats nerd that said plus minus from one game is mostly bull?

For determining who is the more important player in general, absolutely. But I was trying to address this particular claim you made:

"I think we stunk when bogut was off the floor"

We were -1 when Bogut was off the floor. So if we stank then, so did New Orleans.

From my observations Pelicans started to build momentum when bogut was on the bench, they started to grab more offensive rebounds and score a lot more in the paint and thus grab hold of the momentum. Bringing bogut back on when the other team already has a full head of steam is too late. [...]

Bogut was good, but the runs NO made were when Curry was off. Our offense was a mess whenever Curry was off. The team seems uncertain what to do when he's not there.

I don't normally like to pit players of the same team against one another but come on:
Bogut's stats line looks like this: 12 points on 6/8 fgs, 14 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals in 30 minutes isn't just a good game but a great one! I don't know how to get the stats on fg% against bogut and fg% without but I bet it's noticeably in Bogut's favour. Like I said before I reckon the Pelicans got a lot more offensive rebounds and points in the paint when Bogut was off the floor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BesZiFp68Pc#t=203 - scrub to 3m 30s and listen to them yell "Bogut Bogut Bogut Bogut" the second he touches the ball (this happened several times in the game) to alert the defence to stay home on their respective defenders because they know Bogut is so integral to our half court offence because of his point centre skills. If that isn't a testament to how impactful Bogut is, I don't know what is.

Curry on the other hand shot 4/13 from 3s which is a huge drop off when you consider he shot near 50% from 3s in the last 30 odd games of the season. His Assist to to turnover ratio of 5:3 wasn't particular impressive. 6 of 9 ft shooting was almost shocking. What set Curry apart this season from the westbrooks and the hardens of the league was his godlike efficiency and he was a far cry from that in this particular game. Again by my observation curry was good... but he wasn't great!

[floppymoose]

If you are focused on Curry's 4/13 rather than how the team did with and without him, you are missing the forest for the trees.

[Left*My*Heart]

Curry gets the game ball for this one...

[bakesale]

If you are focused on Curry's 4/13 rather than how the team did with and without him, you are missing the forest for the trees.

but that wasn't the only thing, there were multiple things


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