lilfishi22 wrote:NavLDO wrote:Understood on Green, but was including him as he is a guy potentially the FO signs. And I have no hate for PJ, but he's a) not young, b) not a star and c) has been on the team for 3 years--3 years of zero playoffs, so some changes need to be made, and he is on the bottom of the list as far of those desirable to keep, when compared to other players on the roster. Having Granger cancels out the need for PJ, IMO, and is $3M cheaper than PJ. Now, if Granger isn't healthy, then fine, drop him and keep PJ.
And do you honestly believe that Len is no better than Plumlee? Sorry, but Plumlee's 1/2 a season was an anomaly, where as Len is still progressing. Plumlee regressed, where as Len progressed. Two completely different set of circumstances. Not to mention, Len is 2" taller and has a 3.5" advantage in wingspan, is a better blocker, better FT shooter, and actually has hands, instead of feet for hands, so in no way is Plumlee comparable to Len--Plumlee's only advantage is relative health.
Goodwin is still younger 2 years in the league to a lot of draft picks coming out this year, so until he is 23 and has shown no improvement, I personally would like to see him stick with the roster.
But understand that Bog MAY not come over, and Bullock hasn't shown anything yet, but I'd rather gamble on a rebuilding team on a couple of youngsters than on a journeyman talent like PJ. PJ hasn't, and will not, make the difference in making us a playoff team--the others might, we just don't now yet.
Regarding PJ, I don't see why he should be shipped out because he's not young (hardly old either), not a star and has been one of our longer tenured vets on the team. Like RDG mentioned, he's still by far one of our better defenders, has 3PT range and he's also a guy who understands his role very well. In my view, he's the perfect "vet". He's on a decent contract, he contributes consistently and at times plays above expectations and he's a good locker room guy. As for PJ not being the difference in us making the playoffs, I only partially agree. He's not going to be the difference maker to take us to playoffs, but neither is any one player not named Lebron or Anthony Davis. Bledsoe won't be that guy, Knight won't be that guy is neither is Len. I don't see him as a negative and I think if we were to get better overall, he's the one guy I'd like to see stick because every playoff team needs the one guy who isn't afraid to do the dirty work. I see no reason to move him for your stated reasons.
As for Granger, he's still a big question mark considering he hasn't played close to a full season since the 2012 season where missed "only" 20 games. Could we have a Grant Hill situation here? Possibly but keep in mind, when Hill was signed he wasn't taking minutes away from any young players or productive vets, he was brought in to fill a gap. Granger coming in would take minutes from a productive "vet" in PJ and a developing young player in TJ.
I agree with your assessment of Plumlee vs Len. Plumlee has shown his breakout 1/2 season was a fluke as he hasn't been able replicate the same level of productivity since.
We'll have to 'agree to disagree' then on PJ situation, but I hardly feel we are in 'violent disagreement'. As I mentioned, should Granger not work out, then I have no issues with keeping a vet on a decent contract like PJ. What I'd hate to see, as you mentioned, would be having PJ as the starter, Granger subbing in for him, and exactly how many minutes are left for Warren?
I will say this--even though not his preferred position, if PJ were to be primarily a SG, with Granger as our vet SF, then that changes my opinion entirely.
Knight/Goodwin
Bledsoe/PJ/Bullock??
Warren/Granger/Bullock??
(Portis, Lyle, Turner, Harrell, Looney)/Brown??
Len/Wright
After the Morri being charged with assault, they need to be gone, IMO. This isn't like a stupid decision to drive while intoxicated; no malicious intent is involved, but what the Morri did definitely was 'malicious intent'.
I only have Bledsoe at SG for defensive purposes--I don't care one way or the other as to whether he or Knight is handling the ball on offense.
But if your thought is to have:
Bledsoe/Goodwin??
Knight/Goodwin??/Bullock
PJ/Granger/Warren
Etc...
Then yes, I have issue with that. Warren has shown enough to be the primary starter at the 3. Whether fans here want to admit it or not, we are a rebuilding team, and we should expect another season similar to this this one next year; which is fine so long as we are developing Warren, Len, Knight, Bledsoe, and our Rookie PF to be our starters, with Goodwin in a 6th man role, right? That is a young, developing, exciting team, and I have a hard time seeing one of those PFs NOT being selected, especially considering the Morri situation, which makes their availability extremely tenuous).
But if we continue to have PJ as our starter, then IMO, we can expect similar results for this year and beyond. Bottom line is--Warren has star potential that needs developing; PJ is what he is, which should be a bench player. And to have PJ and Granger as bench SFs, to me, is redundant.