Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'd love to trade down. #13 and the Cavs pick for #16 and #28. And I love Hollis-Jefferson. Take him #16 and have faith that McD can spot a diamond at #28.

In any case, I love Hollis-Jefferson and would like to trade down for him.

[jcsunsfan]

Russell is my favourite, having said that I'm no better than anyone else at draft selections.

All-Star hit rate historically for players selected 2-5 is about 35%.

Pick 2-5 and 22m in cap space or Bledsoe, Morris, Morris, that'd be the equation.

Which explains why they traded for Knight. I am sure he has a higher chance than that (although this is the west).

[MathiasPW]

Fresh report on Kaminisky, for those high on him (I am).

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fra ... down-4920/

Love small details such as good boxing-out and mobility/ball-handling. Would be a great fit assuming we flip the Morrii for something of bigger value at the wing positions and he can play with Len protecting the rim to compensate for his weakness on that (like Dirk with Chandler)

[Ghost of Kleine]

I'm not too sure how we'd be able to secure it, but I would push hard to secure an additional pick in the top 6, through trading Bledsoe and the morri' and perhaps even be willing to take a semi bad contract back if need be.

I'd love to walk away on draft night with perhaps justise winslow and turner or kaminsky. But would also absolutely take a flier on christian wood , as he is every bit as talented and capable as turner too.

Question is.....What would it take to influence one of the wolves, knicks, or 76ers' to give up their picks?

Any reasonable trade ideas on this guys?

[starbosa10]

[quote="Ghost of Kleine"]I'm not too sure how we'd be able to secure it, but I would push hard to secure an additional pick in the top 6, through trading Bledsoe and the morri' and perhaps even be willing to take a semi bad contract back if need be.

I'd love to walk away on draft night with perhaps justise winslow and turner or kaminsky. But would also absolutely take a flier on christian wood , as he is every bit as talented and capable as turner too.

Question is.....What would it take to influence one of the wolves, knicks, or 76ers' to give up their picks?

Any reasonable trade ideas on this guys?[/quote]
no way we could get knicks or 76ers pick. they've been dreadful to get these top picks and don't think trading for Bledsoe or anyone else on the roster would be worth it to them, especially regarding fan perception

[Ghost of Kleine]

Could be right on that ! But there were a few successful trade machine ideas I came across with those teams. Again, it really all depends on where they land in the lottery I would guess.... say if minnesota fell to #4 or so, would they choose to take mudiay or russell over Bledsoe and possible sweetners? Same goes for new york, say they landed at the 3rd pick and both towns and okafor are off the boards, knowing phil jacksons penchant for being playoff bound, might he consider a trade of the #3pick , bargnani (bad contract) and a filler for bledsoe and the morons ...sorry.... the morri' to expedite their chances of playoff contention?

I will try and post a few of those trades and see what you guys think.

If nothing else, I'm fairly positive that Sacramento would totally bite on a trade of Bledsoe and the morri' for say perhaps their #6 or 7 pick along with us taking back :derrick williams, carl landry, nick stauskus, and darren collison (my pick for throw in).

[Ghost of Kleine]

Could be right on that ! But there were a few successful trade machine ideas I came across with those teams. Again, it really all depends on where they land in the lottery I would guess.... say if minnesota fell to #4 or so, would they choose to take mudiay or russell over Bledsoe and possible sweetners? Same goes for new york, say they landed at the 3rd pick and both towns and okafor are off the boards, knowing phil jacksons penchant for being playoff bound, might he consider a trade of the #3pick , bargnani (bad contract) and a filler for bledsoe and the morons ...sorry.... the morri' to expedite their chances of playoff contention?

I will try and post a few of those trades and see what you guys think.

If nothing else, I'm fairly positive that Sacramento would totally bite on a trade of Bledsoe and the morri' for say perhaps their #6 or 7 pick along with us taking back :derrick williams, carl landry, nick stauskus, and darren collison (my pick for throw in).

[Ryu]

If the Knicks end with the 3rd or 4th pick there is a good chance that pick gets traded.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Here are the trades that I found to be fairly reasonable and possible due to fan interest contract exchanges, etc.

The first is Phoenix and Sacramento: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mvru73m.

And the next one is with new york: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pc4bhzn.

The next is with orlando: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=00du5mo.

And the last is with the 76ers' : http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ptjarfh.

Sorry if these don't highlight. I'm trying to do these from my lg optimus phone, and it kinda is a real challenge.

But if they don't pull up, I will gladly break them downif need be to.

[starbosa10]

[quote="Ghost of Kleine"]Could be right on that ! But there were a few successful trade machine ideas I came across with those teams. Again, it really all depends on where they land in the lottery I would guess.... say if minnesota fell to #4 or so, would they choose to take mudiay or russell over Bledsoe and possible sweetners? Same goes for new york, say they landed at the 3rd pick and both towns and okafor are off the boards, knowing phil jacksons penchant for being playoff bound, might he consider a trade of the #3pick , bargnani (bad contract) and a filler for bledsoe and the morons ...sorry.... the morri' to expedite their chances of playoff contention?

I will try and post a few of those trades and see what you guys think.

If nothing else, I'm fairly positive that Sacramento would totally bite on a trade of Bledsoe and the morri' for say perhaps their #6 or 7 pick along with us taking back :derrick williams, carl landry, nick stauskus, and darren collison (my pick for throw in).[/quote]

yeah my response was assuming the knicks and sixers stayed were they're projected in the lotto

[MrMiyagi]

I'd love to trade down. #13 and the Cavs pick for #16 and #28. And I love Hollis-Jefferson. Take him #16 and have faith that McD can spot a diamond at #28.

In any case, I love Hollis-Jefferson and would like to trade down for him.

BUT WE NEED TO GET SUPERSTARS!!!!!!!!!!! GOTTA TRADE UP TO THE 1ST PICK TO GET THAT GUARANTEED FRANCHISE PLAYER!!!!!!!!

[thamadkant]

If suns want a Lebron/Durant/Davis level game changer, a high reward low risk draftee... They definitely need to draft high. There's a chart out there showing championship, MVP, All star players come from the top 7 drafted players for a couple of decades now. There are exceptions... But they are not the rules.. Also Spurs FO are the best in the world so copying their draft tactics can be tricky. (Tony Parker, Kawhi Leonard etc)

[RaisingArizona]

You guys always overrate the UA players every year.

[bwgood77]

I don't think any UA players fit our team well and I love those players. I would stick with Looney, Turner, Portis and if those guys are gone, possibly Kaminsky.

But I don't see Kaminsky being a McD type of guy. He doesn't seem like a GM that would add a 4 year guy with limited upside (Tyler Hansbrough?) to a young team, but I agree he would fit this team well.

As for trading up, I don't really see it. The Knicks will want a game changing star. Bledsoe and Kieff? Maybe, but giving up a big possible game changer is a risk. I don't think Phil wants to take the long road to build the team though...he's never had to do that at any stop and Melo isn't getting younger.

And we would need to get Towns or Porzingis. No other player would be worth it. Not even sure if he fits. If we are vested in Len, Okafor doesn't work as well, and we don't need another raw guard. I like Russell, but not quite as much as others. I guess I might do it for a guard if we are losing Bledsoe, but we would definitely be taking a step back with a raw guy coming in, and a large contingent of people on this board would blame that step back on Hornacek....a raw rookie (no matter the upside, isn't leading our team to the playoffs, especially if it is gutted)...if we lost Kieff and got a guard, we would have no frontcourt.

[thamadkant]

If Suns add pick 13 and a couple of future first with Bledsoe and Kieff (Marcus), Knicks might bite... but Suns would have to be REALLY in love with one of Towns, Russell, Okafor, Mudiay. Mudiay is a McD type of player IMO...

[bwgood77]

If Suns add pick 13 and a couple of future first with Bledsoe and Kieff (Marcus), Knicks might bite... but Suns would have to be REALLY in love with one of Towns, Russell, Okafor, Mudiay. Mudiay is a McD type of player IMO...

I agree Mudiay is McD type of player. Problem is if we trade those guys for him, we have no PF, and I know you've mentioned Wright, but he could leave, and even if he doesn't, you need to realize a Mudiay/Knight/Warren/Wright/Len lineup is likely to take a huge step back from where we are. We would have limited spacing and no depth. We NEED to get a PF if we deal Kieff, and we can't bank on getting a premier one in FA.

It simply isn't worth it unless they want to tear it down and rebuild...which is fine, but the fanbase for the most part, probably wouldn't like it. And for all we know, Mudiay could be a bust.

Our best bet is to take one of those guys with our pick...the ones I mentioned in my last post, and then deal people if we can land a better player. Or, if we can convince Millsap to sign, deal the other guys to clear the cap space for extra depth or a pick or whatever.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I'm an absolute no to Kaminsky.

I'm higher on Kristaps Porzingis or Christian Wood than most other non top 4 names. High ceiling players.

[bwgood77]

I'm an absolute no to Kaminsky.

I'm higher on Kristaps Porzingis or Christian Wood than most other non top 4 names. High ceiling players.

Yeah, I have a good feeling about Porzingis for whatever reason. Maybe because I've read that a handful of GMs think he is the third best prospect behind Towns and Mudiay, but he is the type of player we need if he lives up to the hype.

I don't know if the Knicks would give up on Towns if they got him, but if they drafted 4th or 5th and took Porzingis, I think at that point they would prefer the twins, and definitely the twins and Bledsoe...maybe we get back Langston Galloway in that type of deal. That would leave us cap space to sign a PF free agent if we could too.

I still don't know if I would pull the trigger on this but if the front office is ready to rid themselves of the twins, and McD loves Knight, who knows? But then again, McD just told the public those are our best two players. I seriously doubt he would do it even if the option is available.

I don't even know if the twins would be free to leave town if they were awaiting trial or something....and if they were awaiting trial, no team would trade for them...though my bet is they are cleared...hopefully.

[thamadkant]

Ive been watching films of Kaminsky... Will he translate as a 15/7 type of player?
We look at Mirotic, and Kaminsky can atleast do SOME of the things Mirotic does...
The thing with Kaminsky is, he wont be quick enough or agile enough to beat NBA level PFs in a regular basis. He can post them up but he isnt very long, but he is tall...
In a half court team with proper plays and ball movement, he will be a factor, as most said, on the Spurs, he would be a rich man's Bonner. Although Bonner is a more proven shooter, Kaminsky can get there.

If things work out for Kaminsky, I can see him being similar to Troy Murphy, who was a legit stretch 4 who could rebound well for Pacers back then. On the Suns, I just cant see him thriving with the way Hornacek allows freedom and too much isolation ball to go on.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm an absolute no to Kaminsky.

I'm higher on Kristaps Porzingis or Christian Wood than most other non top 4 names. High ceiling players.

Yeah, I have a good feeling about Porzingis for whatever reason. Maybe because I've read that a handful of GMs think he is the third best prospect behind Towns and Mudiay, but he is the type of player we need if he lives up to the hype.

I don't know if the Knicks would give up on Towns if they got him, but if they drafted 4th or 5th and took Porzingis, I think at that point they would prefer the twins, and definitely the twins and Bledsoe...maybe we get back Langston Galloway in that type of deal. That would leave us cap space to sign a PF free agent if we could too.

I still don't know if I would pull the trigger on this but if the front office is ready to rid themselves of the twins, and McD loves Knight, who knows? But then again, McD just told the public those are our best two players. I seriously doubt he would do it even if the option is available.

I don't even know if the twins would be free to leave town if they were awaiting trial or something....and if they were awaiting trial, no team would trade for them...though my bet is they are cleared...hopefully.

Melo said he hopes the team keeps the pick. That might not mean much, but I'm thinking we're unlikely to swing a deal for the Knicks pick.

As always happens, I'm starting to warm up to players in this draft. Usually I go for the high-ceiling players, but I'm starting to warm up to Kaminsky based on that draft express profile and our desperate need for a big who can hit shots. A lot of boom/bust guys in this draft - Turner, Looney, Johnson, Oubre all come with big question marks, IMO. Fortunately, we have McMiracle, and he knows what he's doing.

While I would love to move Bled in a trade that brings back considerable value, I don't see that value coming back in the form of a star player or a stud 2-guard, which makes me doubt that we'll make a move. In any case, we have to find a third guard who can pair with either Bled or Brandon in the back court - a bigger guard who can shoot but who is also okay coming off the bench. That said, if the Kings are willing to send Stauskas and the #6 or 7 (depending), Bled is theirs. Bled-McLemore-Gay-???-Cousins would be a talented line-up, but also a stupid one. You know the Rox would love Bled, too. He's just perfect for that team. I'd hate to help the Rox like that, but we'd have to listen. Pretty sure they'd make Motie available, as well as Capela and their pick in this draft - an inadequate package, IMO, but it's probably there.

All of that is really a tangent; my real response to your post is as follows. You seem to think we'll deal the Morris twins to the same team. I think that's unlikely. Prior to the incidents this season, we might have owed it to them to keep them together, but I think they're ruined that. Who would fault us for dealing them after all the techs, the tantrums, and now the felony charges? Unlikely that we'd get back the most value by dealing them together rather than separately, and even harder to believe we'd deal one without dealing the other. In a sense, their conduct this season has freed us to deal with them as we please. Given that, when, to whom and for whom are they most likely to be dealt? I have no idea what Marcus could fetch in a trade, but I do think he's an asset rather than a liability. Markieff, on the other hand, could fetch quite a lot I would think. I hesitate to think he could be combined with Bled for an asset, but on his own, I think he could bring back two solid role players, or a player and a pick, or a high lottery pick (Detroit? Indiana?).

In any case, if we're willing to move these guys, we have options. I (like most Suns fans, I think) would love to move forward with a Knight-Warren-Len core and add one or two pieces to that, along with the vets necessary to give that team a chance to compete and so grow together. Another aside, I'd love to see Khris Middleton at the 2 for us next year (how funny would that be?), however it could be managed. We have plenty of ways to move forward, provided we're willing to shake it up. This season has given us every excuse to do so. And McD has not disappointed me yet in terms of the direction he's wanted to take this team. I hope we're on the same page this offseason as well.