Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[nuposse04]

Beating a fellow treadmill team is nice, but we can't really fluff our nuts too much until we take a commanding series lead against a contender. We beat a team in the 1st round last season, that is the minimum, we have to win in the 1st round, that's the minimum bar set. You don't get kudos for doing what you should have done (even though i picked against em initially).

What also is obvious, is that a short rotation help us, which means are depth is simply not good. Now I wonder who is responsible for the lack of depth on this team. Begins with Ernie, ends giant smoldering douche piece of crap.

[montestewart]

Go away troll. I have never seen a fan message board where someone posts more about supporting the management then they do about the actual sport and team. Troll.

It's an updated variation of a stock Dickens character. Barnaby Succup, perhaps.

[dckingsfan]

Go away troll. I have never seen a fan message board where someone posts more about supporting the management then they do about the actual sport and team. Troll.

It's an updated variation of a stock Dickens character. Barnaby Succup, perhaps.

Someone needs to try this on the other message boards - never mind, I will try it and post the results in this thread!

[milellie111]

Go away troll. I have never seen a fan message board where someone posts more about supporting the management then they do about the actual sport and team. Troll.

Why are you mad? Upset at the success of the home team? I am always excited about the team and the players and also post accordingly, but isn't it true that management is responsible for all of this success? Only trolls deny that. What a "true" fan. Iv'e actually never seen on a message board where the home team is competitive in it's conference, back to back thrilling playoff seasons, receive accolades from the media and has the best fan support in over a decade, yet a few real "trolls" like yourself, TGW, MikeTheKid, queridiculo, tontoz and a few other cult followers are upset that the Wizards are winning because it defies your "Fire Ernie/Randy" agenda. Any one with a positive opinion of management, you label as a troll and encourage others to place on ignore. I think it's silly and exposes your true motivation for posting on this message board. It doesn't matter whether or not the Wizards win or lose, you guys bump threads such as "Eat the Contract Ted", "Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing" etc. True agenda troll boys. It would be different if the Wizards were a lottery team or just an 8th playoff seed with no promising players for the future.

You guys have been "ruined" to the point you don't even realize this team has a chance to make it to the ECF and compete. You all are still stuck in a dark basement of Calvin Booth and Jahidi White years crying over Jan Vesely/Mike Miller moves like a kid who lost it's pacifier. It's time to move on guys. Let it go and accept the facts. Yes, I was there at one point, but me and few others have actually learned patience and understand that change takes time. Change has happened and even though it took time, Grunfeld has proven his latest draft picks have panned out (Wall, Beal, Seraphin, Porter) and free agent acquisitions are key contributions (Pierce, Gooden, Humphires, Sessions). Result? up 2-0 against Toronto. Wittman has proven his coaching style works, especially his defensive philosophy and rotations. Proof? up 2-0 against Toronto. Proof? 8-1 on the road in the playoffs.

How about you look at those stats and what's going on currently instead of digging up old roster moves from years ago that have no bearing on this teams success now?

The good news is there are a few on here along with some unbiased mods who think objectively.
The good news is that John Wall and Bradley Beal have stepped their game up to all star level in the playoffs, and everyone else on the team follows suit.
The good news is that the majority of the Wizards fans are not still carrying "Fire Ernie/Randy" picket signs, yet give credit where credit is due.
The good news is that the Wizards are up 2-0 in the first round and based on the way they have been playing, could beat any team in the East and advance to the finals.

[dckingsfan]

Hahaha - "true fan" hehehe

[MikeTheKid]

Go away troll. I have never seen a fan message board where someone posts more about supporting the management then they do about the actual sport and team. Troll.

Why are you mad? Upset at the success of the home team? I am always excited about the team and the players and also post accordingly, but isn't it true that management is responsible for all of this success? Only trolls deny that. What a "true" fan. Iv'e actually never seen on a message board where the home team is competitive in it's conference, back to back thrilling playoff seasons, receive accolades from the media and has the best fan support in over a decade, yet a few real "trolls" like yourself, TGW, MikeTheKid, queridiculo, tontoz and a few other cult followers are upset that the Wizards are winning because it defies your "Fire Ernie/Randy" agenda. Any one with a positive opinion of management, you label as a troll and encourage others to place on ignore. I think it's silly and exposes your true motivation for posting on this message board. It doesn't matter whether or not the Wizards win or lose, you guys bump threads such as "Eat the Contract Ted", "Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing" etc. True agenda troll boys. It would be different if the Wizards were a lottery team or just an 8th playoff seed with no promising players for the future.

You guys have been "ruined" to the point you don't even realize this team has a chance to make it to the ECF and compete. You all are still stuck in a dark basement of Calvin Booth and Jahidi White years crying over Jan Vesely/Mike Miller moves like a kid who lost it's pacifier. It's time to move on guys. Let it go and accept the facts. Yes, I was there at one point, but me and few others have actually learned patience and understand that change takes time. Change has happened and even though it took time, Grunfeld has proven his latest draft picks have panned out (Wall, Beal, Seraphin, Porter) and free agent acquisitions are key contributions (Pierce, Gooden, Humphires, Sessions). Result? up 2-0 against Toronto. Wittman has proven his coaching style works, especially his defensive philosophy and rotations. Proof? up 2-0 against Toronto. Proof? 8-1 on the road in the playoffs.

How about you look at those stats and what's going on currently instead of digging up old roster moves from years ago that have no bearing on this teams success now?

The good news is there are a few on here along with some unbiased mods who think objectively.
The good news is that John Wall and Bradley Beal have stepped their game up to all star level in the playoffs, and everyone else on the team follows suit.
The good news is that the majority of the Wizards fans are not still carrying "Fire Ernie/Randy" picket signs, yet give credit where credit is due.
The good news is that the Wizards are up 2-0 in the first round and based on the way they have been playing, could beat any team in the East and advance to the finals.

This made me really laugh, Allow me to reply:

-You only create threads/bump threads preaching your same old agenda. Troll
-You only show up and post/bump your threads when the team wins only to repeat the same old sad story. Troll
-When the team loses your nowhere to be found. Troll
-You have no input in any other threads but your own
-The crappy moves that Ernie made in the past are the reasons why the team is where it is right now. Hes been fixing the mistakes hes been making the past 10 years. Hes blown and rebuilt the team 4 times some of us want it done right the first time not on rinse and repeat for 10 seasons. Goofy
-Ive shared season tickets with my dad the past 7 years so I guess Im a die hard real troll fan then.
-Hands and a few others have shared your views at one point but we dont call them trolls. There actually active on the board for other reasons than pushing the ER/Randy arse kissing club.
-If I recall correctly weren't you on the Fire Ernie/Randy wagon a couple seasons ago

Just give it a rest for a bit we know your agenda its the playoffs just do like Lebron and dont post your agenda until after the playoffs when the offseason begins. Im sure now that the Raptors are pretty much broken Ernie's getting another extension which will make you happy cause your leading the Ernie parade but lets enjoy the run there having

Oh Wait................You said I want the team to lose so go Raptors!!!

[queridiculo]

millie is an attention whore. Just stop posting in his inane threads and he'll go away.

[milellie111]

Go away troll. I have never seen a fan message board where someone posts more about supporting the management then they do about the actual sport and team. Troll.

Why are you mad? Upset at the success of the home team? I am always excited about the team and the players and also post accordingly, but isn't it true that management is responsible for all of this success? Only trolls deny that. What a "true" fan. Iv'e actually never seen on a message board where the home team is competitive in it's conference, back to back thrilling playoff seasons, receive accolades from the media and has the best fan support in over a decade, yet a few real "trolls" like yourself, TGW, MikeTheKid, queridiculo, tontoz and a few other cult followers are upset that the Wizards are winning because it defies your "Fire Ernie/Randy" agenda. Any one with a positive opinion of management, you label as a troll and encourage others to place on ignore. I think it's silly and exposes your true motivation for posting on this message board. It doesn't matter whether or not the Wizards win or lose, you guys bump threads such as "Eat the Contract Ted", "Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing" etc. True agenda troll boys. It would be different if the Wizards were a lottery team or just an 8th playoff seed with no promising players for the future.

You guys have been "ruined" to the point you don't even realize this team has a chance to make it to the ECF and compete. You all are still stuck in a dark basement of Calvin Booth and Jahidi White years crying over Jan Vesely/Mike Miller moves like a kid who lost it's pacifier. It's time to move on guys. Let it go and accept the facts. Yes, I was there at one point, but me and few others have actually learned patience and understand that change takes time. Change has happened and even though it took time, Grunfeld has proven his latest draft picks have panned out (Wall, Beal, Seraphin, Porter) and free agent acquisitions are key contributions (Pierce, Gooden, Humphires, Sessions). Result? up 2-0 against Toronto. Wittman has proven his coaching style works, especially his defensive philosophy and rotations. Proof? up 2-0 against Toronto. Proof? 8-1 on the road in the playoffs.

How about you look at those stats and what's going on currently instead of digging up old roster moves from years ago that have no bearing on this teams success now?

The good news is there are a few on here along with some unbiased mods who think objectively.
The good news is that John Wall and Bradley Beal have stepped their game up to all star level in the playoffs, and everyone else on the team follows suit.
The good news is that the majority of the Wizards fans are not still carrying "Fire Ernie/Randy" picket signs, yet give credit where credit is due.
The good news is that the Wizards are up 2-0 in the first round and based on the way they have been playing, could beat any team in the East and advance to the finals.

This made me really laugh, Allow me to reply:

-You only create threads/bump threads preaching your same old agenda. Troll
-You only show up and post/bump your threads when the team wins only to repeat the same old sad story. Troll
-When the team loses your nowhere to be found. Troll
-You have no input in any other threads but your own
-The crappy moves that Ernie made in the past are the reasons why the team is where it is right now. Hes been fixing the mistakes hes been making the past 10 years. Hes blown and rebuilt the team 4 times some of us want it done right the first time not on rinse and repeat for 10 seasons. Goofy
-Ive shared season tickets with my dad the past 7 years so I guess Im a die hard real troll fan then.
-Hands and a few others have shared your views at one point but we dont call them trolls. There actually active on the board for other reasons than pushing the ER/Randy arse kissing club.
-If I recall correctly weren't you on the Fire Ernie/Randy wagon a couple seasons ago

Just give it a rest for a bit we know your agenda its the playoffs just do like Lebron and dont post your agenda until after the playoffs when the offseason begins. Im sure now that the Raptors are pretty much broken Ernie's getting another extension which will make you happy cause your leading the Ernie parade but lets enjoy the run there having

Oh Wait................You said I want the team to lose so go Raptors!!!

If you actually paid attention, you would see that I do post in the game threads and other topics as well. Do a search.

[Sluggerface]

So Kawhi Leonard just won DPOY. Has the salt set in for anybody yet?

[dckingsfan]

So Kawhi Leonard just one DPOY. Has the salt set in for anybody yet?

Wait, could we have drafted him?

[TheSecretWeapon]

So Kawhi Leonard just won DPOY. Has the salt set in for anybody yet?

Finally had a moment to check on the defense part of PPA. Number one this season: Kawhi Leonard. Followed by Anthony Davis, Nerlens Noel and Tim Duncan. Duncan has been at or near the top virtually every year since he entered the league. Preposterous that he never won DPOY.

In my stuff, Gortat rates as having the biggest defensive impact. He's 9th among centers.

Nenê rates about average now -- down quite a bit from his peak.

Wall rates third among PGs behind (just barely) Russell Westbrook and Stephen Curry.

Ariza was 5th season among SFs (pretty normal for him). Pierce rated a bit below average in my stuff, as

Beal rated as having an average defensive impact. Top defenders at SG (positions identified by basketball-reference): Tony Allen, Danny Green, Jimmy Butler, James Harden.

In general, what my research suggests is that defensive importance flows from big to small. Centers and power forwards typically have the biggest defensive impact. Then SFs, then SGs, then PGs. Not shocking in any way -- that was the finding from my defensive tracking project, and in plus/minus research.

[dckingsfan]

In general, what my research suggests is that defensive importance flows from big to small. Centers and power forwards typically have the biggest defensive impact. Then SFs, then SGs, then PGs. Not shocking in any way -- that was the finding from my defensive tracking project, and in plus/minus research.

I think part of that is the rules - when hand checking (among other rules was outlawed, it became much harder to guard PGs. Correct?

Edit: or should I say, has it always been the case?

[TheSecretWeapon]

In general, what my research suggests is that defensive importance flows from big to small. Centers and power forwards typically have the biggest defensive impact. Then SFs, then SGs, then PGs. Not shocking in any way -- that was the finding from my defensive tracking project, and in plus/minus research.

I think part of that is the rules - when hand checking (among other rules was outlawed, it became much harder to guard PGs. Correct?

Edit: or should I say, has it always been the case?

In theory, it became more difficult to defend anyone on the perimeter. I say "in theory" because what the hand-checking and other defensive rules really did was restore the league to its previous scoring environment. In the early 2000s, teams (led by Pat Riley's teams) had gone overboard with the grabbing and holding. And, defensive rules of the time encouraged offenses to run lots of isos.

In terms of impact, the point in your edit is correct. Even before the rules changes, defensive impact ran from big to small. This makes a lot of sense -- centers and PFs typically have significant help responsibilities. Their job is to protect the rim as the last line of defense. They're involved in the outcomes of more defensive plays than perimeter defenders typically are.

[TGW]

millie is an attention whore. Just stop posting in his inane threads and he'll go away.

his attention whoring schtick didn't work as the "anti-management' guy

I've already exposed him--his earlier works include posts like this:

Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.

He also called John Wall a bust and Nene washed up.

He wasn't getting much attention going that route, so he did a 180 and did the company man troll routine.

He's also been banned from other message boards like extremeskins for doing the same thing.

He is a troll in the truest sense.

[dckingsfan]

He is a troll in the truest sense.

But a very, very good one.

[milellie111]

millie is an attention whore. Just stop posting in his inane threads and he'll go away.

his attention whoring schtick didn't work as the "anti-management' guy

I've already exposed him--his earlier works include posts like this:

Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.

He also called John Wall a bust and Nene washed up.

He wasn't getting much attention going that route, so he did a 180 and did the company man troll routine.

He's also been banned from other message boards like extremeskins for doing the same thing.

He is a troll in the truest sense.

Funny you mention extremeskins. I like many others were not banned for "trolling", you are banned there for no good reason by power hungry mods if you don't agree with their thinking or play favorites. Which is why I along with many others headed over to thewarpath which is a much better skins board.

No one is seeking attention. I've already admitted I have posted those things years ago when the team was in the lottery. What's so hard to understand? You have exposed no one but your own trolling self.

[milellie111]

millie is an attention whore. Just stop posting in his inane threads and he'll go away.

his attention whoring schtick didn't work as the "anti-management' guy

I've already exposed him--his earlier works include posts like this:

Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.

He also called John Wall a bust and Nene washed up.

He wasn't getting much attention going that route, so he did a 180 and did the company man troll routine.

He's also been banned from other message boards like extremeskins for doing the same thing.

He is a troll in the truest sense.

[milellie111]

millie is an attention whore. Just stop posting in his inane threads and he'll go away.

his attention whoring schtick didn't work as the "anti-management' guy

I've already exposed him--his earlier works include posts like this:

Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.

He also called John Wall a bust and Nene washed up.

He wasn't getting much attention going that route, so he did a 180 and did the company man troll routine.

He's also been banned from other message boards like extremeskins for doing the same thing.

He is a troll in the truest sense.

Sorry that your efforts to defame my character on this board failed. By you calling me out to make me look like a bad guy and "troll" looks very foolish of you now and you yourself have disappeared now that the Wizards are successful and management has made a positive impact.

[nuposse04]

millie is an attention whore. Just stop posting in his inane threads and he'll go away.

his attention whoring schtick didn't work as the "anti-management' guy

I've already exposed him--his earlier works include posts like this:

Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.

He also called John Wall a bust and Nene washed up.

He wasn't getting much attention going that route, so he did a 180 and did the company man troll routine.

He's also been banned from other message boards like extremeskins for doing the same thing.

He is a troll in the truest sense.

Sorry that your efforts to defame my character on this board failed. By you calling me out to make me look like a bad guy and "troll" looks very foolish of you now and you yourself have disappeared now that the Wizards are successful and management has made a positive impact.

You do realize, this post season success is due to NOT using players EG has signed and Randy forcing his hand by playing heavy minutes on guys like Wall, Beal and even I'd argue Pierce.

Guys like Webster, Seraphin, Butler, Bynum and Blair who EG brought in to give us depth, has afforded us none. Now, while I am happy we are winning, I still think there was an easier way to meet this end, mainly by drafting better and signing better FAs. Kudos to guys for playing above regular season norms, but some fans here want to build a contender for a long time, not a pseudo contender in the east for 1-2 seasons.

EG will not get credit for picking Wall and Beal. Those were the obvious consensus picks, that's like me praising a cashier for sliding my credit card... You do however, have some right to fluff your nuts regarding Porter, whom most would have passed on for Noel (or somebody else), myself included.

[DCZards]

You do realize, this post season success is due to NOT using players EG has signed and Randy forcing his hand by playing heavy minutes on guys like Wall, Beal and even I'd argue Pierce.

Guys like Webster, Seraphin, Butler, Bynum and Blair who EG brought in to give us depth, has afforded us none. Now, while I am happy we are winning, I still think there was an easier way to meet this end, mainly by drafting better and signing better FAs. Kudos to guys for playing above regular season norms, but some fans here want to build a contender for a long time, not a pseudo contender in the east for 1-2 seasons.

EG will not get credit for picking Wall and Beal. Those were the obvious consensus picks, that's like me praising a cashier for sliding my credit card... You do however, have some right to fluff your nuts regarding Porter, whom most would have passed on for Noel (or somebody else), myself included.

It's not all that unusual for teams to shorten their rotation during the playoffs so it's not really surprising that guys like Hump and Butler, who contributed significantly at times during the regular season, haven't gotten any PT during the postseason. (Although I'd like to see Hump get some minutes.) The other guys you mentioned, maybe with the exception of Seraphin, are your 10-12 guys who I wouldn't expect to get any PT at this point.

While EG deserves a ton of blame for not drafting better players, he also deserves credit for signing Pierce, trading for and signing Gortat, and replacing Miller with Sessions. All of these have been smart moves, imo.

Edit to add: And signing Gooden has turned out to be a good move on EG's part as well.