Mario Hezonja

Mustinjo · Post #221 » by **Mustinjo** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:58 pm

Gordon wrote:There are some similarities, but Hezonja is 3 inches taller than McLemore.

And his character/attitude is totally opposite

cyclix · Post #222 » by **cyclix** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:28 pm

Hezonja ballhandling is very suspect to me, and he plays more vertical,line drive type of game which I'm not a fan of really.

TheTrooper · Post #223 » by **TheTrooper** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:59 pm

His ballhandling is not bad, but it's nothing spectacular. Enough to get him by, but not enough to break ankles.

That is what I like most about him - he doesn't have any obvious weakness that cannot be worked on.
Ok BBIQ - he is certainly not a dumb guy, ok handling, great shooting,(the way he shoots, you cannot teach that - either you have it or you don't). Hezonja is also a good athlete (not Wiggins or Lebron, top tier athlete as some suggested, but tier 2 by NBA standards for sure) with great size and frame too.
Not a single thing that you can point at and say - he is just bad at this.

Anyways the thing with him is that he is still a work in progress. The biggest mistake would be if someone assumes that he is ready to make an impact in the league right now. He is not - still needs to learn how to use the set of skills that he owns properly. Some games he looks like he can do whatever he wants to and in some games he gets schooled like a kid.

sheefo13 · Post #224 » by **sheefo13** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:05 pm

I agree with the JR comparisons, it is exactly who I think of when I remember JR's potential. I don't think JR was drafted with his attitude issues either. But when JR won the High School McDonald's All-American Dunk and 3-pt contests (first and only to do that I think), people couldn't believe his combo of shooting and athleticism.

I think Mario could turn out alright but I would not take him Top 7.

Mik317 · Post #225 » by **Mik317** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:08 pm

again a taller JR who is young enough to hopefully reign in a bit is a pretty damn good prospect.

Mirotic12 · Post #226 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:45 pm

I would compare him to Kevin Martin. He is not that good, because he is just a role player in Barca, and really he is playing awful in Euroleague playoffs so far. So do not get it confused. Not as in he is as good as Kevin Martin. Just if you are asking what kind of player or type of player is he, then that is more the kind of player he reminds me of. More so than someone like JR Smith.

If he could work hard and reach his potential, I see him more as Kevin Martin type of player.

SparksFly87 · Post #227 » by **SparksFly87** » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:36 pm

Hezonja is nowhere near the athlete , creative finisher , shot creator and Ballhandler that JR Smith is. The comparison is laughable .

greg4012 · Post #228 » by **greg4012** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:20 am

Mirotic12 wrote:I would compare him to Kevin Martin. He is not that good, because he is just a role player in Barca, and really he is playing awful in Euroleague playoffs so far. So do not get it confused. Not as in he is as good as Kevin Martin. Just if you are asking what kind of player or type of player is he, then that is more the kind of player he reminds me of. More so than someone like JR Smith.

If he could work hard and reach his potential, I see him more as Kevin Martin type of player.

^^ This guy is pretty funny at this point. He comments on Hezonja everyday saying the same exact thing

KillMonger · Post #229 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:09 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Hezonja is nowhere near the athlete , creative finisher , shot creator and Ballhandler that JR Smith is. The comparison is laughable .

You're right i'd say Mario is closer to a Drazen Pretrovic-lite with athleticism and a bit more attitude. Which still could end up being better than J.R smith ever could be.

Mirotic12 · Post #230 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:14 pm

greg4012 wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:I would compare him to Kevin Martin. He is not that good, because he is just a role player in Barca, and really he is playing awful in Euroleague playoffs so far. So do not get it confused. Not as in he is as good as Kevin Martin. Just if you are asking what kind of player or type of player is he, then that is more the kind of player he reminds me of. More so than someone like JR Smith.

If he could work hard and reach his potential, I see him more as Kevin Martin type of player.

^^ This guy is pretty funny at this point. He comments on Hezonja everyday saying the same exact thing

What is funny is people making comments with no evidence or facts to back them up.

Immature Luigi wrote:
SparksFly87 wrote:Hezonja is nowhere near the athlete , creative finisher , shot creator and Ballhandler that JR Smith is. The comparison is laughable .

You're right i'd say Mario is closer to a Drazen Pretrovic-lite with athleticism and a bit more attitude. Which still could end up being better than J.R smith ever could be.

How is he similar to Petrovic? I see no similarity at all except shooting ability.

It is really easy to just throw out nonsense comments and to criticize others and to make personal insults and attacks. That is what you are doing. However, people saying he is next Petrovic or Smith never saw him play. That is clear as day.

Anyway, Hezonja again did nothing in the playoff game against Olympiacos and Barca lost again. They have to have Oleson playing for his tremendous level defense and Navarro playing for his great shot creation, play making ability, and great scoring capability. Hezonja just isn't prepared it seems to go up against the most athletic team in Europe, which is very athletic compared to even the most athletic NBA teams.

People here that take these posts as "hating" on Hezonja are simply blinded by not being able to use basic reasoning skills and logic. It is nothing to do with that. He would be playing 35 minutes a game probably on a NBA lotto team, and very few NBA teams are as athletic as Olympiacos and no NBA teams have the athletic ability of Olympiacos in front court with bigs, or their ability to switch and trap on defense with all bigs.

And him playing behind Oleson and Navarro is not the coach "holding him back". Those are great players and both are better players than Hezonja.

None of this discussion is claiming he can't play in the NBA, it's simply stating fact, and showing the current situation and saying that some comments here are not true. That he is best player in his team and tearing apart Euroleague and all of that and has no weak areas of his game and is ready to just walk right in NBA as finished product because, as you see some comments like, "he already dominates against grown men". It is just setting the record straight about some comments like that which is not true.

But for simply saying true things here, you must be hating and coming here with an agenda and attacking Hezonja.

Von Bismarck · Post #231 » by **Von Bismarck** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:24 pm

You are clearly a hater. Boy played 8 minutes tonight, shot 1/2 and had 1 rebound. His coach didn't put him in the game in the second half even though Olesson and Navarro shot for 3 like 3/15.

Alright Mirotic, since you are a great basketball expert, let me offer you a bet.

I say Hezonja will be TOP 5 rookie if he goes to NBA. If that happens, you will get yourself banned and never write again. If that doesn't happen, I offer you the same but applied on myself.

What do you say?

Mirotic12 · Post #232 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:28 pm

Von Bismarck wrote:You are clearly a hater. Boy played 8 minutes tonight, shot 1/2 and had 1 rebound. His coach didn't put him in the game in the second half even though Olesson and Navarro shot for 3 like 3/15.

Alright Mirotic, since you are a great basketball expert, let me offer you a bet.

I say Hezonja will be TOP 5 rookie if he goes to NBA. If that happens, you will get yourself banned and never write again. If that doesn't happen, I offer you the same but applied on myself.

What do you say?

I already told you over and over again nothing I am saying has anything to do with the NBA. How many times do I have to explain it? I am giving objective and unbiased examples of his game and positives and negatives, which several other people in the same thread agreed with already. For people that actually care about it. Not giving a haters or homers viewpoint.

But I see that is not permitted here because some homers are flooding through the thread with personal attacks.

Whatever man. I am out of this thread. I won't post here again because of the personal attacks and accusations for no reason. Excuse me for thinking some people might actually want a serious basketball discussion. My mistake. And your ban bet thing just exposed that you are about 12 years old.

This reminds of Bulls forum that claimed Mirotic would average 15/10 or 15/8 in rookie year and I told them no way, more like 10/5 and they attacked at me and called me a hater. I told them I was just being honest and realistic. They called me a hater and everything else. Well, he averaged 10 and 5.

If anyone wants a serious discussion about Hezonja or other guys in Europe, let us go to international section. We can talk there. Obviously it is impossible here.

Von Bismarck · Post #233 » by **Von Bismarck** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:43 pm

First of all, couple of days ago I said there is no kid in Europe from 1992-1995 that is as spectacular as Hezonja is, you said there is and that everyone could post highlights of some talented kid. I asked you to show me just one kid that is even close, you didn't even bother to reply nor you provided the material.

I'm not the one being butthurt here, it is clearly yourself.

p.s Mirotic would probably go closer to 15/10 than 10/5 if he was actually allowed to play for the first part of the season. I guess he would go around 13/8, so those guys were not unrealistic at all.

Mirotic12 · Post #234 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:03 pm

Von Bismarck wrote:First of all, couple of days ago I said there is no kid in Europe from 1992-1995 that is as spectacular as Hezonja is, you said there is and that everyone could post highlights of some talented kid. I asked you to show me just one kid that is even close, you didn't even bother to reply nor you provided the material.

I'm not the one being butthurt here, it is clearly yourself.

p.s Mirotic would probably go closer to 15/10 than 10/5 if he was actually allowed to play for the first part of the season. I guess he would go around 13/8, so those guys were not unrealistic at all.

When I said I would not post here again, I did not say you had a free reign to post untrue things about me. I never said that. Please just stop. I am asking you nicely. You got what you wanted, I am leaving the thread. Now please stop. Do not post anything about me again, please. You have been asked nicely.

As far as Mirotic went, I specifically told them they were being unrealistic because a coach like Thibodeau would not use a soft rookie from Europe enough minutes for him to average anything more than 10/5. They called me a hater. So yeah, I think I know exactly what I am talking about. Again, anyone that wants a real discussion about the players in Europe, let us please go to the international section, where we won't be trolled.

aad · Post #235 » by **aad** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:50 am

Is he a SF or SG

Post #236 » by **JDR720** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:06 am

aad wrote:Is he a SF or SG

he can play both on offense IMO, can maybe guard SF's better since he is bigger.

76ciology · Post #237 » by **76ciology** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:57 am

Not impressed with offensive skillset that I think it can compensate his ability to defend star caliber swingmans. Not impressed with his numbers (PER, stls, blks and FT rating). Huge risk for a top 5 pick but I wouldnt mind drafting him top 5-10.

flipwise · Post #238 » by **flipwise** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:57 pm

After not playing in the game against Olympiacos, Mario has reportedly declared for the draft. Still waiting for the official announcement.

EDIT: Source - https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status ... 3796580354

JRSG · Post #239 » by **JRSG** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:40 pm

I'm unsure on what his ceiling is but i'm so excited to see him play regularly (hopefully anyway) - even if he has been overrated it's just nice to get a chance to see some of these European guys who have been on the radar for so long. Even though i'm from England, the Euroleague is still pretty inaccessible here.

Johnlac1 · Post #240 » by **Johnlac1** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:28 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Von Bismarck wrote:You are clearly a hater. Boy played 8 minutes tonight, shot 1/2 and had 1 rebound. His coach didn't put him in the game in the second half even though Olesson and Navarro shot for 3 like 3/15.

Alright Mirotic, since you are a great basketball expert, let me offer you a bet.

I say Hezonja will be TOP 5 rookie if he goes to NBA. If that happens, you will get yourself banned and never write again. If that doesn't happen, I offer you the same but applied on myself.

What do you say?

I already told you over and over again nothing I am saying has anything to do with the NBA. How many times do I have to explain it? I am giving objective and unbiased examples of his game and positives and negatives, which several other people in the same thread agreed with already. For people that actually care about it. Not giving a haters or homers viewpoint.

But I see that is not permitted here because some homers are flooding through the thread with personal attacks.

Whatever man. I am out of this thread. I won't post here again because of the personal attacks and accusations for no reason. Excuse me for thinking some people might actually want a serious basketball discussion. My mistake. And your ban bet thing just exposed that you are about 12 years old.

This reminds of Bulls forum that claimed Mirotic would average 15/10 or 15/8 in rookie year and I told them no way, more like 10/5 and they attacked at me and called me a hater. I told them I was just being honest and realistic. They called me a hater and everything else. Well, he averaged 10 and 5.

If anyone wants a serious discussion about Hezonja or other guys in Europe, let us go to international section. We can talk there. Obviously it is impossible here.

Nah, I wouldn't leave...I enjoy your comments. A lot of what you say has validity.
I'm interested in overseas players, but it is tough to get a handle on many of them due to their restricted play and the style of the coach.
The little I've seen of Hezonja still leaves me wondering how good he is. Obviously has physical talent and shooting skills. Immediate superstar in the NBA is far more questionable. Few rookies, domestic or international, step in and are immediate superstars or even stars. I will say from what I've seen on the clips Hezonja has a good chance for success in the NBA and leave it at that.