Otto Porter Part 2

[Ruzious]

I call him Baby KD, Lil Durant.

Yeah, sort of a combination of Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain - except better.

There's no lightning in the weather forecast, is there?

[dckingsfan]

I still say - and oh my - just watch out for 2016-17

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Season   Age    WS/48   VORP   ORtg   DRtg
2013-14   20   -0.006   -0.4    86    107
2014-15   21    0.090    0.4   104    104
2015-16   22    0.174    1.4   122    101


[dobrojim]

Watching Memphis tonight reminds me of another nice case scenario of what OP might become someday
and that's his fellow G'town alum Jeff Green. I don't know that that would be a bad thing.

I don't see it, Green isn't a hustle guy and doesn't do much when the ball isn't in his hands.

You're right. Their actual games are not necessarily that similar. I inelegantly was referring
more to the value or quality of his play. Green was also a high pick #5, from G'town, who has
been moved around in some high profile trades. One could reasonably ask why teams would
trade him away but looked at from the other side, look at what the trading team got in exchange.
Not that I am advocating trading OP right now except in the way some people will say everything
I own is for sale (for a sufficiently high price).

[dobrojim]

I'd call him a mix between a taller Danny Green (though Green's a better ball-handler) and a slightly smaller Prince. He made 33.7% of his 3's - which is almost certainly going to improve with hard work, experience, and regular playing time. Of course, it'd help if he had the shooting coach Green and Leonard had.

Is he in fact any smaller than Prince? They're both listed at 6'9.

Totally agree that his shooting his key. The huge improvements he made in college give me hope.

As skinny as Prince has always looked, he actually weighed in at 225 as a rookie out of Kentucky. Maybe it's in the legs. Prince looks at least an inch taller than Porter.

I thought they used to say Prince was 6-10. Height inflation? In any case, he is 'long'.

[payitforward]

Watching Memphis tonight reminds me of another nice case scenario of what OP might become someday
and that's his fellow G'town alum Jeff Green. I don't know that that would be a bad thing.

I don't see it, Green isn't a hustle guy and doesn't do much when the ball isn't in his hands.

You're right. Their actual games are not necessarily that similar. I inelegantly was referring
more to the value or quality of his play. Green was also a high pick #5, from G'town, who has
been moved around in some high profile trades. One could reasonably ask why teams would
trade him away but looked at from the other side, look at what the trading team got in exchange.
Not that I am advocating trading OP right now except in the way some people will say everything
I own is for sale (for a sufficiently high price).

Jeff Green -- he's another guy where I just don't understand why people think he's a good player. Porter was more productive at Georgetown than Green, and he's been more productive this year than Green. Not to mention that Jeff Green is as good as he'll ever be, while Porter has significant upside.

[AFM]

I call him Baby KD, Lil Durant.

Yeah, sort of a combination of Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain - except better.

There's no lightning in the weather forecast, is there?

I don't get the Wilt Chamberlain or MJ comparison.

Now if you had said, pre Houston TMac, combined with the offensive rebounding of Ben Wallace, then sure.

[Ruzious]

I call him Baby KD, Lil Durant.

Yeah, sort of a combination of Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain - except better.

There's no lightning in the weather forecast, is there?

I don't get the Wilt Chamberlain or MJ comparison.

Now if you had said, pre Houston TMac, combined with the offensive rebounding of Ben Wallace, then sure.

Well, I didn't say it per se only because I assumed it was implied.

[dckingsfan]

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[Illmatic12]

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[tontoz]

I am certainly glad Porter has been getting big minutes but at the same time i am confused by it. It wasn't that long ago that Wittman got pissed when someone asked him why Porter wasn't playing more. Even Wall was saying to ask Witt about it when he was asked about Porters playing time.

I am curious to know why Witt suddenly decided to nearly double his minutes, in the playoffs no less.

[dckingsfan]

I am certainly glad Porter has been getting big minutes but at the same time i am confused by it. It wasn't that long ago that Wittman got pissed when someone asked him why Porter wasn't playing more. Even Wall was saying to ask Witt about it when he was asked about Porters playing time.

I am curious to know why Witt suddenly decided to nearly double his minutes, in the playoffs no less.

And you can ponder why Wittman is now using stretch 4s too?

[J-Ves]

I am certainly glad Porter has been getting big minutes but at the same time i am confused by it. It wasn't that long ago that Wittman got pissed when someone asked him why Porter wasn't playing more. Even Wall was saying to ask Witt about it when he was asked about Porters playing time.

I am curious to know why Witt suddenly decided to nearly double his minutes, in the playoffs no less.

Maybe Witt is a mad genius and plays sub-optimal lineups like Nene at PF and Butler over Porter in the regular season to get the road court advantage.

[hands11]

I am certainly glad Porter has been getting big minutes but at the same time i am confused by it. It wasn't that long ago that Wittman got pissed when someone asked him why Porter wasn't playing more. Even Wall was saying to ask Witt about it when he was asked about Porters playing time.

I am curious to know why Witt suddenly decided to nearly double his minutes, in the playoffs no less.

Because Otto stepped it up down the stretch
Because Otto stepped it up given minutes in Game 1 then again in Game 2

Because Otto is the real Secret Weapon

And just for reminders.. It not like Otto didn't play all season. He just had a few rough spells where he would disappear. But he peaked down the stretch at the right time. Of course they would want to use him.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Except, Otto didn't "step it up down the stretch". He got more playing time because they were resting Pierce, but his overall performance was about the same as it had been since January. And, he was okay in game 1 but not really all that impressive. He was very good in game 2, of course.

Maybe it would be a good idea to congratulate Porter on having a good game without trying to extract a "For All Time" meaning from it.

Maybe.

My guess is that Wittman would say his lineups against the Raptors is based on matchups.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Just saw that Wittman said he was "a little bit" playing possum not using Pierce at PF during the regular season. Said he wanted to keep him fresh for the playoffs and didn't want to run his minutes to 35+ per night. Part of that answer -- the part about keeping Pierce fresh -- makes sense. The rest of it makes no sense at all. He could have kept Pierce at 26-28 minutes with some of those minutes coming at PF.

[Illmatic12]

Just saw that Wittman said he was "a little bit" playing possum not using Pierce at PF during the regular season. Said he wanted to keep him fresh for the playoffs and didn't want to run his minutes to 35+ per night. Part of that answer -- the part about keeping Pierce fresh -- makes sense. The rest of it makes no sense at all. He could have kept Pierce at 26-28 minutes with some of those minutes coming at PF.

If you think about it, the latter half of the reg season when Nene was resting we were basically getting our stretch 4 production from Gooden, who did just fine. Though many of us were anxious to see it at the time there wasn't an extremely pressing need to trot the 37yo Pierce out there at the 4, and take minutes from a guy like Gooden who was playing well.

Both Wall and Beal had been producing well in those lineups with Gooden over the last month, and Gortat as well was playing much better with the extra space to operate. So there were clear signs that the team would do well with a smallball 4, we as fans just weren't sure if the coaching staff was aware of that or not (and in retrospect they obviously were and waited to take advantage in the playoffs)

The fact that we don't have a stretch four on the roster who is physically able to play every game and isn't ancient -- well, that's on Grunfeld not Wittman. Hopefully the team addresses that in the draft/FA

[stevemcqueen1]

I wish we had gotten Pat Patterson last offseason. He's one of the few guys on this Raptors team that isn't playing soft and his skill set would have been ideal as a 25+ MPG stretch 4.

[Ruzious]

I am certainly glad Porter has been getting big minutes but at the same time i am confused by it. It wasn't that long ago that Wittman got pissed when someone asked him why Porter wasn't playing more. Even Wall was saying to ask Witt about it when he was asked about Porters playing time.

I am curious to know why Witt suddenly decided to nearly double his minutes, in the playoffs no less.

Wittman addressed half this issue after game 1. He said Pierce came to him about playing some PF - and Wittman said something like "I'd be a fool to not listen to a Hall of Famer, so I tried it out." Of course, he could have used one of the veterans at the 3, but... maybe someone in the front office who reads this board had a talk with him.

[tontoz]

I am certainly glad Porter has been getting big minutes but at the same time i am confused by it. It wasn't that long ago that Wittman got pissed when someone asked him why Porter wasn't playing more. Even Wall was saying to ask Witt about it when he was asked about Porters playing time.

I am curious to know why Witt suddenly decided to nearly double his minutes, in the playoffs no less.

Wittman addressed half this issue after game 1. He said Pierce came to him about playing some PF - and Wittman said something like "I'd be a fool to not listen to a Hall of Famer, so I tried it out." Of course, he could have used one of the veterans at the 3, but... maybe someone in the front office who reads this board had a talk with him.

I can believe that. It would be hard for me to believe the Witt decided to do it on his own. He is a master at ignoring the obvious (see Wall still running end of quarter isos).

[dckingsfan]

He is a master at ignoring the obvious (see Wall still running end of quarter isos).