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Round 1 Game 2: Clippers (1) VS Spurs (0)

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Doc's Malpractice 

Post#381 » by Ranma » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:48 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:Fire Doc is permanently in his sig…that's not anxiousness.
and echoed by Ranma via And 1s.


If Ballmer gives us a new GM this offseason, I'm fine with that. Doc is just fine to me as a coach.


I'd be fine with a competent GM putting together a roster for Doc to strictly coach it, especially given the high price of first-rounders paid to not only obtain him but also sacrificed towards rectifying his mistakes. I'll further acknowledge that he's done a tremendous job with DJ. That alone makes him worth the price of his contract. I'll even go as far as to say that maybe he'll eventually learn enough in emulating Popovich to be a competent personnel executive one day.

However, he is solely responsible for our roster's shortcomings by squandering assets and opportunities, which have thus shortened our window for competing for a championship. That, to me, is almost unforgivable given what he was provided when he came aboard. We have to win and we have to do it soon since we're still trying to fill a hole at SF and practically have no bench to speak of, plus, we have little assets left to address those areas of need. If it weren't for the cap spiking up in the next few years and the BAE, we'd be further screwed.

I've resigned myself to accepting that this is Doc's team for better or worse, but I wouldn't be at all heartbroken if he were completely replaced with a complete set of a coach and GM. For instance, I'd much rather have Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens than Doc. I've always had disdain for Jim Harrick when he was coaching UCLA during my Bruin days, but when he got us a championship in 1995, I was grateful enough to give him his due as a recruiter (or at least someone who was able to put together a staff that was good at bringing in talent) but it didn't blind me from the fact that he still wasn't that good of a coach. Likewise, Doc has to win with what he's got for me to afford him any further goodwill. I still wouldn't be blinded to his failings but at least that would help build up his legacy beyond his "fluke" championship in Boston where he was handed a stacked roster by Ainge.

I'm not at all tolerant with Doc's continued short-sighted and panicked approach to sacrificing our future to fit his narrow vision. He better win since he's put this all on himself with the big contract, the dual roles, and the amount of resources afforded to him. His ego of insisting to fashion a roster his way is what upsets me when he should have realized that he's best served when someone else handles the GM duties. He's maneuvered us into an urgent position of having to win now, so he can't have it both ways in also expecting patience. This GM-in-training bit doesn't fly with me. There's no excuses. I demand results.
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Re: Round 1 Game 2: Clippers (1) VS Spurs (0) 

Post#382 » by NBAWestFan » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:28 pm

What I think is like some have said.

It is the Bench is so weak compared to the Spurs.

Guys are coming in and rotating on the Spurs who have High IQ Bench guys

Clippers need to be able to play more players not less as many do.

This says legs for key players at the end of the game.

Do not blow team up in offseason if they lose but rebuild the Bench.

Get better Bench.

Why can't Spencer Hawes play some minutes?
He should be able to contribute some.

Teams need to be well rounded and deep in order to win championships.
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Re: Round 1 Game 2: Clippers (1) VS Spurs (0) 

Post#383 » by og15 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:31 pm

Hawes played himself out of the rotation by being a poor defender as well as not contributing anything positive to offense
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Re: Round 1 Game 2: Clippers (1) VS Spurs (0) 

Post#384 » by mattd13 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:46 pm

sad but so true. I wanted him to succeed but the truth is he just doesn't have it.
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Re: Round 1 Game 2: Clippers (1) VS Spurs (0) 

Post#385 » by LACtdom » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:38 pm

My theory is, Hawes (and a lot of other players) took this offseason very lightly and everything seemed 'easy' at training. During the season nothing worked and there are not enough training days to build a role for him. Hawes is such a disappointment, however he has proven in previous years that he does have great skills. Doc needs to accept the challenge and make Hawes valuable again next season.
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Remember Jared Dudley 

Post#386 » by Ranma » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:00 pm

LACtdom wrote:My theory is, Hawes (and a lot of other players) took this offseason very lightly and everything seemed 'easy' at training. During the season nothing worked and there are not enough training days to build a role for him. Hawes is such a disappointment, however he has proven in previous years that he does have great skills. Doc needs to accept the challenge and make Hawes valuable again next season.


Agreed. Instead of taking the easy way out and dumping the dude when the going gets rough like he did with Jared Dudley (and surrendering a #1 pick to do so), Doc should hold himself accountable and try to improve and/or fit Hawes into his system instead of throwing up his hands and paying other teams in order to offload his mistakes. Better yet, get someone in the GM chair who actually knows what he's doing.


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I still think the Clippers will, and should, try Spencer Hawes at some point in this series. He can do so much for their spacing. It’s truly amazing the Clippers are trying to win a title with six competent NBA players. It’s possible Doc Rivers shouldn’t be an NBA general manager.

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Re: Round 1 Game 2: Clippers (1) VS Spurs (0) 

Post#387 » by nickhx2 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:41 pm

yeah, most definitely he needs a role figured out for him. as great a coach as doc is most of the time, you can't always just throw players to the wind, especially when you have zero assets.

take a look at what rick carlisle did for monta ellis in dallas: one of the knocks on monta was that he would make sketchy decisions with the ball handling the pick and roll. however, carlisle figured out that if you take the decision making part of the p/r away from him and give him lots of running space and handoffs he maximizes his lethal driving ability.

unfortunately i have absolutely zero faith that doc will do anything like that, and instead i'm pretty sure he's gonna try to sell off JJ to try and erase his mistake signing hawes (read: inability to make use of him).

kidding.

maybe.
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Re: Round 1 Game 2: Clippers (1) VS Spurs (0) 

Post#388 » by og15 » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:06 pm

There are two things that will have to be addressed about Hawes:

1) He can't run this defensive system, he just can't, it makes him look worse on defense than he actually is
2) You need to pair him up with a more mobile / athletic type guy. Amir Johnson is a FA this summer for example, though I have no clue how the Clippers would do it, that's a guy that you'd be eyeing
3) You need to vary his scoring locations, he's a big that can shoot three's, like Mehmet Okur, he isn't Ryan Anderson or Channing Frye who almost only shoot three's
4) He needs to come in with sharp shooting to show that 13-14 was not a fluke, because his whole shooting was down this season, and that can't happen again

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