Andre Drummond's Potential

[Blkbrd671]

my last sentence was about what Drummond needs to do to be great, not to get on Griffins level. my bad. Griffin is a average defender.

I know what you mean about Drummond needed to take advantage of what he has. It infuriates me when he tries finesse moves around the rim instead of just dunking the damn ball. It's a learning/maturing thing. He doesn't know what to do with himself yet. Bigs always take a bit longer to develop that.

He needs to look at guys like Shaq and those kind of power centers to develop that kind of game. He definitely has the speed and size to be dominant when he figures it out.

i am getting gigady'd

[dVs33]

my last sentence was about what Drummond needs to do to be great, not to get on Griffins level. my bad. Griffin is a average defender.

I know what you mean about Drummond needed to take advantage of what he has. It infuriates me when he tries finesse moves around the rim instead of just dunking the damn ball. It's a learning/maturing thing. He doesn't know what to do with himself yet. Bigs always take a bit longer to develop that.

He needs to look at guys like Shaq and those kind of power centers to develop that kind of game. He definitely has the speed and size to be dominant when he figures it out.

i am getting gigady'd

I'm definitely getting excited about the offseason and next season.
Drummond looked much better at the end of the season compared to the start, so I can only imagine he'll look even better after a full offseason with SVG and the staff.

[ImHeisenberg]

Griffin was a 20PPG scorer as a rookie. Drummond is light years behind Griffin in terms of offense.

Griffin also was on a sh* team that force fed him the ball. Other than being extremely athletic, he really had no other skillset and has developed nicely along the way. As i stated, i was more pointing out how Griffin has gone from a player who really was just big and athletic, to a player who recognizes the man guarding him and utilities his advantages. Its truly underrated how hard "recognition" is to develop. Dre is probably the closest thing to Blake when it comes to size and quickness for comparison. They move like guards

Not much of a counter argument. Drummond has been on lottery teams, 3 years running. Griffin's ball handling was/is pretty good, which allowed him to attack the basket. I'm not a Griffin fan at all, but to compare him and Drummond doesn't hold a whole lot of water with me.

[Redeemed]

The Griffin comparison makes sense if we are talking about strength and athleticism. Dre is a crazy RAW all around player who is still learning the game. He's gotten by being the really big kid. If he's going to see any potential realized, he's got to ramp up the skill and mental side of the game.

I like the hints low post development he has shown this season.
I absolutely hate seeing him trying to dip and finger roll the ball as if he's 6'2" guard.

He needs to embrace his stature as a force and try to crush and overpower guys like Blake and/or Shaq.
He needs to learn the game as a chess master determining when to use his hook and when to face up, drop step and crush dudes under the basket.

With his blend of power and athleticism, he could strike fear in defenders.

[hoophabit]

Blkbrd can speak for himself of course, but I think the main thrust of his point was that they fed Blake early in his career, the relative strength of the teams being coincidental. The Pistons used Andre essentially as a garbage man until this year. Despite his early struggles, Andre really benefited from SVG insisting on him getting some post touches. It's free throws that are still the number one issue with AD. In every other sense the sky is the limit. Physically and athletically, the kid is a monster. Sure, he still needs to learn when to go hard, and when to be cute. He also needs more experience at being a rim protector. However, he was even avoiding biting on every pump fake by season's end. Despite being truly superlative in this area, he needs to learn to be a more disciplined rebounder. For all of that, it sure looked like he made real progress last season. There were even occasions where he was content to block out and let a teammate get a rebound, or tip the ball out and avoid the dumb foul by going too hard. In terms of a guy who will be 22 all of next season, I was pretty pleased.

[Blkbrd671]

Griffin was a 20PPG scorer as a rookie. Drummond is light years behind Griffin in terms of offense.

Griffin also was on a sh* team that force fed him the ball. Other than being extremely athletic, he really had no other skillset and has developed nicely along the way. As i stated, i was more pointing out how Griffin has gone from a player who really was just big and athletic, to a player who recognizes the man guarding him and utilities his advantages. Its truly underrated how hard "recognition" is to develop. Dre is probably the closest thing to Blake when it comes to size and quickness for comparison. They move like guards

Not much of a counter argument. Drummond has been on lottery teams, 3 years running. Griffin's ball handling was/is pretty good, which allowed him to attack the basket. I'm not a Griffin fan at all, but to compare him and Drummond doesn't hold a whole lot of water with me.

just forget it, your continuing to argue a point i never made, and minutes per game is more relevant than being on a "lottery team".

[need4detroit]

I've been saying this for a long time, but Dre is a natural face up player on offense. You really see how good he is facing up when hes forced to do it. No ones stopping him from driving to the basket when he faces his man. He has superior ball handling ability for a big man. Furthemore, I would argue that he has more ability as a passer facing up his man.

His jab step to spin move, is actually his "move" prior to the baby hook he's developed. and honestly when he pulls it, for the most part it looks clean, until the finish. Dre needs to utilize his face up game against bigger guys like J Val, etc that aren't as quick, and use his baby hook against smaller guys. i can't wait until he develops a secondary move. i really think that once that happens, we are going to see a lot of posters going up

The only big I can see staying in front of him is A. Davis. So basically bigger or smaller, he should be able to face up and blow by. And I actually think he might be able to use his power just as well facing up. At least hell always be going towards the hoop instead of away from it.

[Blkbrd671]

The Griffin comparison makes sense if we are talking about strength and athleticism.

thank you, that's all i am trying to point out.

I like the hints low post development he has shown this season.
I absolutely hate seeing him trying to dip and finger roll the ball as if he's 6'2" guard.

He's gradually developed this over the season. As much as we'd hate to admit it, Rasheed Wallace was probably not the best coach from him, seeing the amount of development he's had this year compared to last.

he's 50/50 on those balls, so i'll let it slide. I'd much rather see him plow through the defender and finish strong.

He needs to embrace his stature as a force and try to crush and overpower guys like Blake and/or Shaq.

Blakes much more explosive and has a higher vert, Also Dre noticably is getting bigger. In that aspect, Blake has always been a physical specimen where as Dre just started serious weight lifting 3 years ago. He's shown clear recognition this year, which in seasons past was "once in a blue moon".

[Blkbrd671]

Blkbrd can speak for himself of course, but I think the main thrust of his point was that they fed Blake early in his career, the relative strength of the teams being coincidental. The Pistons used Andre essentially as a garbage man until this year.

if i recall correctly, he barely got off the bench his first year.Blake and Andre are 2 entirely different players, but are very similar in unique size and speed. Blake wasn't as raw as Dre, but he was still mostly a garbage guy that occasionally made a jump shot. Its really nice to see how he's developed almsot every season.

Despite his early struggles, Andre really benefited from SVG insisting on him getting some post touches. It's free throws that are still the number one issue with AD. In every other sense the sky is the limit. Physically and athletically, the kid is a monster. Sure, he still needs to learn when to go hard, and when to be cute. He also needs more experience at being a rim protector. However, he was even avoiding biting on every pump fake by season's end. Despite being truly superlative in this area, he needs to learn to be a more disciplined rebounder. For all of that, it sure looked like he made real progress last season. There were even occasions where he was content to block out and let a teammate get a rebound, or tip the ball out and avoid the dumb foul by going too hard. In terms of a guy who will be 22 all of next season, I was pretty pleased.

exactly, his defense on the perimeter is worlds better as well as on the low block. Its not nearly where it needs to be but from where it was, it is encouraging

[Blkbrd671]

The only big I can see staying in front of him is A. Davis. So basically bigger or smaller, he should be able to face up and blow by. And I actually think he might be able to use his power just as well facing up. At least hell always be going towards the hoop instead of away from it.

he'll need to be comfortable with a spin move, much like Zbo does. I love watching Dre back down a defender in the low post. You can tell that they don't like being bumped. i have A davis ahead of him , but when its all said and done, i don't think either player will be able to stop each other. (if they develop as i think they will)

[Blkbrd671]

my last sentence was about what Drummond needs to do to be great, not to get on Griffins level. my bad. Griffin is a average defender.

I know what you mean about Drummond needed to take advantage of what he has. It infuriates me when he tries finesse moves around the rim instead of just dunking the damn ball. It's a learning/maturing thing. He doesn't know what to do with himself yet. Bigs always take a bit longer to develop that.

He needs to look at guys like Shaq and those kind of power centers to develop that kind of game. He definitely has the speed and size to be dominant when he figures it out.

i am getting gigady'd

I'm definitely getting excited about the offseason and next season.
Drummond looked much better at the end of the season compared to the start, so I can only imagine he'll look even better after a full offseason with SVG and the staff.

Ya, i am slowly realizing that Dre practicing 3's the past offseason with Wallace maybe wasn't the best use of time

[need4detroit]

The only big I can see staying in front of him is A. Davis. So basically bigger or smaller, he should be able to face up and blow by. And I actually think he might be able to use his power just as well facing up. At least hell always be going towards the hoop instead of away from it.

he'll need to be comfortable with a spin move, much like Zbo does. I love watching Dre back down a defender in the low post. You can tell that they don't like being bumped. i have A davis ahead of him , but when its all said and done, i don't think either player will be able to stop each other. (if they develop as i think they will)

He can often just straight blow by guys without, but I think hes got that spin move if he does it more.
Go to 50 seconds on this video. Completely blows by Bosh, one of the quicker 4s in the game and then has the body control to avoid the charge afterwards.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOMixxM-wnU[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2KNsgzwEo8[/youtube]
And here.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6CKpwCEGqE[/youtube]
2:30 here
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlGVa2Fb_CE[/youtube]

[Redeemed]

The Griffin comparison makes sense if we are talking about strength and athleticism.

thank you, that's all i am trying to point out.

I like the hints low post development he has shown this season.
I absolutely hate seeing him trying to dip and finger roll the ball as if he's 6'2" guard.

He's gradually developed this over the season. As much as we'd hate to admit it, Rasheed Wallace was probably not the best coach from him, seeing the amount of development he's had this year compared to last.

he's 50/50 on those balls, so i'll let it slide. I'd much rather see him plow through the defender and finish strong.

He needs to embrace his stature as a force and try to crush and overpower guys like Blake and/or Shaq.

Blakes much more explosive and has a higher vert, Also Dre noticably is getting bigger. In that aspect, Blake has always been a physical specimen where as Dre just started serious weight lifting 3 years ago. He's shown clear recognition this year, which in seasons past was "once in a blue moon".

If that's all you're pointing out, I'm inclined to agree with you. As Dre learns to make basketball plays and play with intelligent aggression, he will grow in leaps and bounds. SVG is the best coach for him. I see Dre's potential trending up on the strength of SVG's influence.

[hoophabit]

Blkbrd can speak for himself of course, but I think the main thrust of his point was that they fed Blake early in his career, the relative strength of the teams being coincidental. The Pistons used Andre essentially as a garbage man until this year.

if i recall correctly, he barely got off the bench his first year.Blake and Andre are 2 entirely different players, but are very similar in unique size and speed. Blake wasn't as raw as Dre, but he was still mostly a garbage guy that occasionally made a jump shot. Its really nice to see how he's developed almsot every season.

Blake was injured in preseason his first year. The next year he scored over 20 pts per game and won rookie of the year. It just seemed to me that the Clippers tried to develop his offensive game more quickly than the Pistons did with Dre. Both are very strong and quick, but Drummond is considerably bigger and longer. One is a natural PF and the other a true center. Blake has developed very nicely.

Drummond has remarked on working on his body, and it seems he is figuring out that, for all his quickness and athleticism, it's his size and strength that's his most reliable advantage. I'm a little surprised at the Rasheed comments, as Drummond was playing pretty well while under his tutelage. His toughest period came early this year during the transition. Rasheed certainly knew the big man game. All in all though, it's more about what Drummond does than who might be providing coaching.

[Blkbrd671]

Blkbrd can speak for himself of course, but I think the main thrust of his point was that they fed Blake early in his career, the relative strength of the teams being coincidental. The Pistons used Andre essentially as a garbage man until this year.

if i recall correctly, he barely got off the bench his first year.Blake and Andre are 2 entirely different players, but are very similar in unique size and speed. Blake wasn't as raw as Dre, but he was still mostly a garbage guy that occasionally made a jump shot. Its really nice to see how he's developed almsot every season.

Blake was injured in preseason his first year. The next year he scored over 20 pts per game and won rookie of the year. It just seemed to me that the Clippers tried to develop his offensive game more quickly than the Pistons did with Dre.

I meant Dre barely got off the bench his first year. Clippers force fed Blake and it worked. Something many of us have been harping for with Dre, however Moose's skill dictated he should get touches

I'm a little surprised at the Rasheed comments, as Drummond was playing pretty well while under his tutelage. His toughest period came early this year during the transition. Rasheed certainly knew the big man game. All in all though, it's more about what Drummond does than who might be providing coaching.

I actually liked sheed when we hired him, i do believe he instilled some confidence and swagger in Dre, HOWEVER there are mulitple videos of Dre practicing 3's and thanking rasheed for teaching him, but when i saw the development from game 1 til the end of the season under MAlone(???) it has been quite drastic.

[Redeemed]

Blkbrd can speak for himself of course, but I think the main thrust of his point was that they fed Blake early in his career, the relative strength of the teams being coincidental. The Pistons used Andre essentially as a garbage man until this year.

if i recall correctly, he barely got off the bench his first year.Blake and Andre are 2 entirely different players, but are very similar in unique size and speed. Blake wasn't as raw as Dre, but he was still mostly a garbage guy that occasionally made a jump shot. Its really nice to see how he's developed almsot every season.

Blake was injured in preseason his first year. The next year he scored over 20 pts per game and won rookie of the year. It just seemed to me that the Clippers tried to develop his offensive game more quickly than the Pistons did with Dre. Both are very strong and quick, but Drummond is considerably bigger and longer. One is a natural PF and the other a true center. Blake has developed very nicely.

Drummond has remarked on working on his body, and it seems he is figuring out that, for all his quickness and athleticism, it's his size and strength that's his most reliable advantage. I'm a little surprised at the Rasheed comments, as Drummond was playing pretty well while under his tutelage. His toughest period came early this year during the transition. Rasheed certainly knew the big man game. All in all though, it's more about what Drummond does than who might be providing coaching.

There are significant contrasts between Blake and Dre. Blake is more polished and further along in his development. Blake was dominant in both college and early in his pro career. Dre is a more raw prospect who required a lot of coaching but didn't get it in his dysfunction college environment.

The similarities are the way both guys are high flyers with an uncommon blend of agility and strength at their respective positions. Dre is coming along...slowly. He's a late bloomer kind of a talent that finally has the coach he needs to help him trend upward.