PG: Lowry is garbage

raptor jesus · Post #381 » by **raptor jesus** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:45 am

Tricky_Kid wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
ritchiesli wrote:raps gunning for 1st ever home team to get swept in nba history

No, I think Shaq's Magic got swept by Hakeem in the 95 Finals.

No mate u are wrong. I watched those finals and i remember Nick Anderson fukced game 3 in Orlando. Houston had HC adventage for sure

The Magic had HC. You're right about the Nick Anderson thing being at home, but it was game 1.

MS13 · Post #382 » by **MS13** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:47 am

Team is severely flawed. I blame Casey on a lot of things, and think he should absoltely get fired. But Lowry's play has been total garbage. Our 24-7 record and keeping up with teams even when DeRozan was out was due to KLow's insane stretch of play. 5-21 is just mind-boggling.

Clementine9 · Post #383 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:52 am

Risk101 wrote:If i have to be forced into watching another Lowry/Vasquez/Lou lineup again after this season i'm going to take a break from this team. It's literally unwatchable when you see them getting exploited on the defensive end.

Dude, they're a 106.6 OffRtg and a 104.1 DefRtg. That's a 2.5 NetRtg! Better than our starters and above league average! Keep playing them! Don't even take them off the floor! Context doesn't matter, they outperform their opponents!

THE RAPTORS HAD THE 3RD BEST OFFENSE IN THE NBA THE COACHES KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING! BENCH VAL!

UneducatedFan86 · Post #384 » by **UneducatedFan86** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:54 am

Just watched the Casey post-game presser, and I have to say that he's totally out to lunch. He deserves to be fired. Talked about how we played good defense from start to finish (minus the fact that they shot like 55%+ in the first quarter) and how he never saw our offense falling apart like it has (even though it was ugly for a majority of the season).

The latter is the one that bugs me the most. He was questioned numerous times about this in the season, but just kept giving the same damn answer, "It will sort itself out. We need to focus on defense." So what do we have now? A team that can't play defense and relies on horrible shots and ISO ball.

Clementine9 · Post #385 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:57 am

UneducatedFan86 wrote:Just watched the Casey post-game presser, and I have to say that he's totally out to lunch. He deserves to be fired. Talked about how we played good defense from start to finish (minus the fact that they shot like 55%+ in the first quarter) and how he never saw our offense falling apart like it has (even though it was ugly for a majority of the season).

The latter is the one that bugs me the most. He was questioned numerous times about this in the season, but just kept giving the same damn answer, "it will sort itself out. We need to focus on defense." So what do we have now? A team that can't play defense and relies on horrible shots and ISO ball.

We have the 3rd best offense in the league. It WILL sort itself out. And I think me saying that will cause it to happen. I think we should bench JV and try a 4 pg lineup.

LeetGoose · Post #386 » by **LeetGoose** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:06 am

lol imagine we win 4 in a row and make history

bballsparkin · Post #387 » by **bballsparkin** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:08 am

Clementine9 wrote:Why didn't that 3rd quarter lineup ever come back?

EDIT: Was it the starting line-up? I think it was. I just remember Amir looking awesome on both ends (first time all season), Jonas woke up too. It was nice. Only time the game really felt under control.

Jonas woke up because of the nice feed by Amir. Followed by a nice one by DD.

Clementine9 · Post #388 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:10 am

bballsparkin wrote:
Clementine9 wrote:Why didn't that 3rd quarter lineup ever come back?

EDIT: Was it the starting line-up? I think it was. I just remember Amir looking awesome on both ends (first time all season), Jonas woke up too. It was nice. Only time the game really felt under control.

Jonas woke up because of the nice feed by Amir. Followed by a nice one by DD.

Overall I thought they looked engaged defensively and were getting more physical. They looked really good. I couldn't figure out why they played that line-up almost the full 12 minutes (11+ minutes) when it performed so well. Save a bit for the 4th, y'know?

bballsparkin · Post #389 » by **bballsparkin** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:12 am

^^Really I think Amir is the Raptor's most important player(if somehow healthy). He has the skill and mental fortitude to bring it every night except his body/ankles is worn down.

Clementine9 · Post #390 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:18 am

bballsparkin wrote:^^Really I think Amir is the Raptor's most important player(if somehow healthy). He has the skill and mental fortitude to bring it every night except his body/ankles is worn down.

Yeah, but tonight is the first time in a long time he looked effective. It makes you really miss what he has provided in the past. But we can't just keep waiting for a guy to come back from the dead. I love Amir but I don't think he can be our starting guy anymore. He could prolong his career and be more effective off the bench at this point I think.

Tricky_Kid · Post #391 » by **Tricky_Kid** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:21 am

raptor jesus wrote:
Tricky_Kid wrote:
MisterHibachi wrote:
No, I think Shaq's Magic got swept by Hakeem in the 95 Finals.

No mate u are wrong. I watched those finals and i remember Nick Anderson fukced game 3 in Orlando. Houston had HC adventage for sure

The Magic had HC. You're right about the Nick Anderson thing being at home, but it was game 1.

it was so long ago and I was 14 or 15 sorry for mistake if it was game 1 in Orlando.

WIldEagle18 · Post #392 » by **WIldEagle18** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:23 am

Clementine9 wrote:
bballsparkin wrote:
Clementine9 wrote:Why didn't that 3rd quarter lineup ever come back?

EDIT: Was it the starting line-up? I think it was. I just remember Amir looking awesome on both ends (first time all season), Jonas woke up too. It was nice. Only time the game really felt under control.

Jonas woke up because of the nice feed by Amir. Followed by a nice one by DD.

Overall I thought they looked engaged defensively and were getting more physical. They looked really good. I couldn't figure out why they played that line-up almost the full 12 minutes (11+ minutes) when it performed so well. Save a bit for the 4th, y'know?

That's what baffles me about Casey. Look at Wittman, he played Wall/Beal/Gortat 40+ minutes because they were keying on stopping the Raptors momentum. Casey? When we finally got JV to wake up with those easy buckets, Ross playing some hustling D in the 3rd, Amir + DD doing some work again, he subbed them out during the start of the 4th and put in his 3 PG line-up. I mean, this is basically our season in the line, DD/Ross/Amir/JV finally found the way to punch the Wiz in the 3rd but he didn't take advantage but instead he just have to put in the line-up of Lowry/Vasq/Lou.

bballsparkin · Post #393 » by **bballsparkin** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:23 am

Clementine9 wrote:
Yeah, but tonight is the first time in a long time he looked effective. It makes you really miss what he has provided in the past. But we can't just keep waiting for a guy to come back from the dead. I love Amir but I don't think he can be our starting guy anymore. He could prolong his career and be more effective off the bench at this point I think.

Agreed, I was more lamenting on how helpful Amir is if healthy. Which can't be relied on sadly.

Clementine9 · Post #394 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:25 am

WIldEagle18 wrote:
Clementine9 wrote:
bballsparkin wrote:
Jonas woke up because of the nice feed by Amir. Followed by a nice one by DD.

Overall I thought they looked engaged defensively and were getting more physical. They looked really good. I couldn't figure out why they played that line-up almost the full 12 minutes (11+ minutes) when it performed so well. Save a bit for the 4th, y'know?

That's what baffles me about Casey. Look at Wittman, he played Wall/Beal/Gortat 40+ minutes because they were keying on stopping the Raptors momentum. Casey? When we finally got JV to wake up with those easy buckets, Ross playing some hustling D in the 3rd, Amir + DD doing some work again, he subbed them out during the start of the 4th and put in his 3 PG line-up. I mean, this is basically our season in the line, DD/Ross/Amir/JV finally found the way to punch the Wiz in the 3rd but he didn't take advantage but instead he just have to put in the line-up of Lowry/Vasq/Lou.

Even weirder is he himself said just the other day that the starters have looked great. They keep proving him right and then they go back to those "offensive" lineups.

Clementine9 · Post #395 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:25 am

bballsparkin wrote:
Clementine9 wrote:
Yeah, but tonight is the first time in a long time he looked effective. It makes you really miss what he has provided in the past. But we can't just keep waiting for a guy to come back from the dead. I love Amir but I don't think he can be our starting guy anymore. He could prolong his career and be more effective off the bench at this point I think.

Agreed, I was more lamenting on how helpful Amir is if healthy. Which can't be relied on sadly.

I won't be upset if he proves me wrong one day

JackedFinancier · Post #396 » by **JackedFinancier** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:29 am

raptor jesus wrote:My thoughts from March 28:

I think this board is putting way too much stock into the Raps regular season success against the Wizards, who I'd give the edge in a 7 game series. Not only is Wall the best player on both teams, he's tailor made to shred the Raps biggest weaknesses: perimeter D and overhelping. Gortat is a great pick and roll partner for him, you have Beal and Pierce spreading the floor, and then Nene could become a factor, like he did versus the Bulls last year in the playoffs. Also, if Wittman isn't completely clueless, he'd put Pierce at the 4 for a bit, which could be problematic as well.

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That's unreal. Good call. Those are the two exact same things that have destroyed us...

sule · Post #397 » by **sule** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:31 am

WIldEagle18 wrote:I'm glad we got the Wiz instead of the Bucks. I was wishing for the Bucks but looking at how the series is going, I rather we get exposed now and Masai makes the necessary changes to the team instead of trying to add quick "fix" because we beat a mediocre Bucks and gets swept by the Cavs.

Also this is on Lowry & Casey. Look at Wittman, he's a terrible coach but he's making adjustment and sticking to the hot players. When we made our run during the 3rd quarter we had DD/Ross/Amir/JV all finally fired up, we were controlling the game. What happened? Casey subbed them all out and run his usual 3 man PG with Lowry/Lou/Vasq which basically kept swinging the momentum because Lowry kept playing Hero ball.

Wittman on the other hand kept playing the hot hand, Wall/Beal/Gortat all played 40+ mins. For the Raptors? Only DD played 40+. Amir was our second best player today, why didn't he play more? He was getting easy buckets off Derozan's assist or offensive put backs. Ross despite having a lackluster offensive game had a decent defensive showing especially in the 3rd when Raptors made their run. DD/Amir/Ross should have played heavier minutes, this game was basically all-or-nothing for the Raps, their season was basically hanging by the thread.

I completely agree 100%. All these complaints about Lowry's play and the lack of D, and the lineups and matching our lineup to theirs are all complaints that should be directed at coaching.

If Lowry or anyone else is taking bad shots or taking shots early in the clock (which happens multiple times a game on successive plays), then the coach needs to reel them in and focus them on what they should be doing to gain the advantage. Instead, what we get are timeouts that are ill-timed and come out of timeouts with little or nothing to show. The team ends up continuing to do what they did pre-timeout on magnitudes unimaginable by any other teams' fanbase. It's ridiculous. If Casey isn't reeling them in, he needs to be fired. If he can't reel them in, he needs to be fired. And if the team isn't listening to him when he tries to reel them in, then he needs to be fired.

But the majority of these complaints about players can be solved by good, aggressive coaching that is able to quickly identify and rectify issues in-game and make the necessary adjustments.

WIldEagle18 · Post #398 » by **WIldEagle18** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:33 am

Clementine9 wrote:
WIldEagle18 wrote:
Clementine9 wrote:
Overall I thought they looked engaged defensively and were getting more physical. They looked really good. I couldn't figure out why they played that line-up almost the full 12 minutes (11+ minutes) when it performed so well. Save a bit for the 4th, y'know?

That's what baffles me about Casey. Look at Wittman, he played Wall/Beal/Gortat 40+ minutes because they were keying on stopping the Raptors momentum. Casey? When we finally got JV to wake up with those easy buckets, Ross playing some hustling D in the 3rd, Amir + DD doing some work again, he subbed them out during the start of the 4th and put in his 3 PG line-up. I mean, this is basically our season in the line, DD/Ross/Amir/JV finally found the way to punch the Wiz in the 3rd but he didn't take advantage but instead he just have to put in the line-up of Lowry/Vasq/Lou.

Even weirder is he himself said just the other day that the starters have looked great. They keep proving him right and then they go back to those "offensive" lineups.

Its really frustrating, even in the regular season, Casey just doesn't know how to play the "hot hands". Other coaches will ride player(s) that are doing well, look at Wittman, he even played Otto over Pierce majority of the game because he was playing great defense on Demar. The excuse of playing heavy minutes can't even be used because this is the play-offs, especially in a game where we are down 2-0, we had to play the players who aren't a complete liability to put ourselves in a position to win. Wittman is basically outcoaching Casey since Casey refuses to adjust to the situation.

Wo1verine · Post #399 » by **Wo1verine** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:42 am

Teams a joke! Hopefully Casey is fired as well

Clutch Carter · Post #400 » by **Clutch Carter** » Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:51 am

Casey's answer to every loss is "we missed shots we normally make"