THE Aaron Gordon thread

[cedric76]

Lets hope Aaron can become as good as Leonard

Kawhi will turn 25 in June. Aaron is still 19 until September. It's gonna take patience but I believe the player that Gordon will be at age 25 will be among the favorite Magic players of all time.

I think so too

[MellowRose]

Tobias Harris is not a reliable scorer. He plays like **** this season

He averaged 17ppg without even having the offense go through him (he was 3rd in line). His scoring was up AND his percentages were up, what are you even talking about?

Neon1, he is just being delusional.

He posts empty stats. Put him on any serious contender, and he would be putting up fringe starter numbers. Does anyone really disagree with this?

[seeingstars]

He averaged 17ppg without even having the offense go through him (he was 3rd in line). His scoring was up AND his percentages were up, what are you even talking about?

Neon1, he is just being delusional.

He posts empty stats. Put him on any serious contender, and he would be putting up fringe starter numbers. Does anyone really disagree with this?

Empty carbs

[seeingstars]

Lets hope Aaron can become as good as Leonard

Kawhi will turn 25 in June. Aaron is still 19 until September. It's gonna take patience but I believe the player that Gordon will be at age 25 will be among the favorite Magic players of all time.

I think so too

Agreed

[Neon1]

He averaged 17ppg without even having the offense go through him (he was 3rd in line). His scoring was up AND his percentages were up, what are you even talking about?

Neon1, he is just being delusional.

He posts empty stats. Put him on any serious contender, and he would be putting up fringe starter numbers. Does anyone really disagree with this?

Every player on this team is putting up empty stats then. They all play on the same crappy team.

I don't see how anybody who thinks that Tobias stats are empty, doesn't also think Oladipo's are even emptier.

Oladipo is shooting a crazy heavy volume, on a low efficiency, also while playing the most minutes. He is also not playing well defensively on this same crappy team. It's like the original recipe for cooking up empty stats.

I'm not going to argue about if Tobias stats are empty or not because it's your opinion, BUT it is clear your opinion is heavily based in bias if you do not also think Oladipo and to a lesser extent Vuc numbers are empty you do nothing but show what your real issue is.

[mojosodope]

Neon1, he is just being delusional.

He posts empty stats. Put him on any serious contender, and he would be putting up fringe starter numbers. Does anyone really disagree with this?

Every player on this team is putting up empty stats then. They all play on the same crappy team.

I don't see how anybody who thinks that Tobias stats are empty, doesn't also think Oladipo's are even emptier.

Oladipo is shooting a crazy heavy volume, on a low efficiency, also while playing the most minutes. He is also not playing well defensively on this same crappy team. It's like the original recipe for cooking up empty stats.

I'm not going to argue about if Tobias stats are empty or not because it's your opinion, BUT it is clear your opinion is heavily based in bias if you do not also think Oladipo and to a lesser extent Vuc numbers are empty you do nothing but show what your real issue is.

Oh no. He lets oladipo get it too.

But the thing about Harris' empty stats is this. Because our offense is so poor it is actually more difficult for Harris to score. Someone like draymond green gets wide open jump shots 80% of the time in GS's offense because of the way that team spaces the floor. Why are Harris' stats empty though?


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[tiderulz]

He posts empty stats. Put him on any serious contender, and he would be putting up fringe starter numbers. Does anyone really disagree with this?

pretty easy to make a statement we cant argue with. I could say the same thing about Vuc and Dipo

[Neon1]

He posts empty stats. Put him on any serious contender, and he would be putting up fringe starter numbers. Does anyone really disagree with this?

Every player on this team is putting up empty stats then. They all play on the same crappy team.

I don't see how anybody who thinks that Tobias stats are empty, doesn't also think Oladipo's are even emptier.

Oladipo is shooting a crazy heavy volume, on a low efficiency, also while playing the most minutes. He is also not playing well defensively on this same crappy team. It's like the original recipe for cooking up empty stats.

I'm not going to argue about if Tobias stats are empty or not because it's your opinion, BUT it is clear your opinion is heavily based in bias if you do not also think Oladipo and to a lesser extent Vuc numbers are empty you do nothing but show what your real issue is.

Oh no. He lets oladipo get it too.

But the thing about Harris' empty stats is this. Because our offense is so poor it is actually more difficult for Harris to score. Someone like draymond green gets wide open jump shots 80% of the time in GS's offense because of the way that team spaces the floor. Why are Harris' stats empty though?


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I don't think they are because his stats are not inflated. His numbers have been roughly the same (per minute) his entire career.

Thats through two organizations, three coaches, multiple roles, starting, reserve, and through multiple teamates.

His usage stays the same in the 22's or lower, which means he isn't dominating all the possessions while being on less talented teams.

Inflated/empty numbers to me is a guy that's playing a ton of minutes (it boosts all of your per game averages) and just dominating the ball by taking all or the bulk of the shots for an inferior team, especially if your percentages are low, and your getting higher scoring by simply increasing your volume.

[407Junkie]

If we suck ass like this next season Oladipo will get the same Harris critism from me because it is now year 3. Time to make your team better and take them to the playoffs. If you can't get that done then you're a fraud that's getting numbers on a bad team. People act like Vic is beyond reproach and it's just a witch hunt for one player named Harris. 5 years in the league and he hasn't played one game pass April 20th. Harris is s**t to me until he proves otherwise in meanigful games.

I know the difference between players who make a difference and ones who just suit up every night and play. Don't need nerd advanced stats for that one. I simply don't say jack about Vuc because he's nothing more than a piece on a team to me. He's no better than Kanter putting up offensive numbers while getting murdered on the defensive end. Give me Marc Gasol over him everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. But at least he took money equal to his limitations in his extension. If the Magic were dumb enough to max him out I would've criticized that too.

[Neon1]

If we suck ass like this next season Oladipo will get the same Harris critism from me because it is now year 3. Time to make your team better and take them to the playoffs. If you can't get that done then you're a fraud that's getting numbers on a bad team. People act like Vic is beyond reproach and it's just a witch hunt for one player named Harris. 5 years in the league and he hasn't played one game pass April 20th. Harris is s**t to me until he proves otherwise in meanigful games.

I know the difference between players who make a difference and ones who just suit up every night and play. Don't need nerd advanced stats for that one. I simply don't say jack about Vuc because he's nothing more than a piece on a team to me. He's no better than Kanter putting up offensive numbers while getting murdered on the defensive end. Give me Marc Gasol over him everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. But at least he took money equal to his limitations in his extension. If the Magic were dumb enough to max him out I would've criticized that too.

Harris would have taken fair money too 11-12 and the deal would have been done.

The GM offered him, a 21 year old doing 17&7 and playing hard and doing all the right things, got offered Channing Frye, Washed up Jameer money.

He was insanely low-balled. It was damn near disrespectful. You have Alec Burks out here getting 10 mill. Jodie Meeks getting 7. Vuc got offered an at least fair deal.

Anybody saying Tobias is equal value to Channing Frye or washed up Jameer is being flat out dishonest. Even if you have a personal hate for a guy you KNOW that was BS.

Now were going to get mad at him that he will get offered more then true value on the market? A soon to be double inflated market at that?

The Magic have nobody to blame for that other then your GM at the table. It was a clown show of a "negotiation".

Vic is up for a 21-22 a year extension next year. They are the same level player, same age. I hope everyone here is ready to deal with that. Get over it, the financial landscape has changed.

[p0peye]

Vučević was signed probably under market value. However, I do agree that financially if definitively should be like this:

Vučević [12M]> Harris [9M]> [empty seat] > Frye [8M]

Considering that Nikola signed for 12M, 9M for Harris should not be considered as low ball. Frye got way overpaid, he was worth half of that contract.

[Neon1]

Vučević was signed probably under market value. However, I do agree that financially if definitively should be like this:

Vučević [12M]> Harris [9M]> [empty seat] > Frye [8M]

Considering that Nikola signed for 12M, 9M for Harris should not be considered as low ball. Frye got way overpaid, he was worth half of that contract.

Vuc got 4 years 53 million. Thats an average of 13.25 per. He did not sign for 12 million per season man. Yes Vuc could have sought out more and would have gotten more this offseason. BUT he was offered a fair deal.

Tobias at 9 million is not.

And Hennigan literally JUST signed Frye the same offseason.

[Neon1]

And let's not pretend that a LOT of you guys were not the same guys that were saying anything over 10-11 for Vuc is too much during and after last season going into free agency.

After he was locked in and you saw how much bit players were getting paid (including Frye) out the Ying yang the tune changed.

[j-ragg]

Vučević was signed probably under market value. However, I do agree that financially if definitively should be like this:

Vučević [12M]> Harris [9M]> [empty seat] > Frye [8M]

Considering that Nikola signed for 12M, 9M for Harris should not be considered as low ball. Frye got way overpaid, he was worth half of that contract.

Vuc got 4 years 53 million. Thats an average of 13.25 per. He did not sign for 12 million per season man.

Yes man, he signed for 4/48. Thats an average of 12 per.

Nikola Vucevic $2,902,757 $11,250,000 $11,750,000 $12,250,000 $12,750,000 $0 - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.h ... f5wxW.dpuf

[Neon1]

Vučević was signed probably under market value. However, I do agree that financially if definitively should be like this:

Vučević [12M]> Harris [9M]> [empty seat] > Frye [8M]

Considering that Nikola signed for 12M, 9M for Harris should not be considered as low ball. Frye got way overpaid, he was worth half of that contract.

Vuc got 4 years 53 million. Thats an average of 13.25 per. He did not sign for 12 million per season man.

Yes man, he signed for 4/48. Thats an average of 12 per.

Nikola Vucevic $2,902,757 $11,250,000 $11,750,000 $12,250,000 $12,750,000 $0 - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.h ... f5wxW.dpuf

That is his base salary JRagg. He has incentives that make it 53.

[j-ragg]

Vuc got 4 years 53 million. Thats an average of 13.25 per. He did not sign for 12 million per season man.

Yes man, he signed for 4/48. Thats an average of 12 per.

Nikola Vucevic $2,902,757 $11,250,000 $11,750,000 $12,250,000 $12,750,000 $0 - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.h ... f5wxW.dpuf

That is his base salary JRagg. He has incentives that make it 53.

I'm well aware. You didn't seem to be. Since you said "He did not sign for 12 million per season man."

[Neon1]

Yes man, he signed for 4/48. Thats an average of 12 per.

That is his base salary JRagg. He has incentives that make it 53.

I'm well aware. You didn't seem to be. Since you said "He did not sign for 12 million per season man."

I wasn't. When he signed It was reported as 4yr 53.

[j-ragg]

That is his base salary JRagg. He has incentives that make it 53.

I'm well aware. You didn't seem to be. Since you said "He did not sign for 12 million per season man."

I wasn't. When he signed It was reported as 4yr 53.

I remember that, no one really explained what the incentives even are. I hear more about those types of contracts in the NFL. Maybe All Star games or play 70/82 games?

[Neon1]

I'm well aware. You didn't seem to be. Since you said "He did not sign for 12 million per season man."

I wasn't. When he signed It was reported as 4yr 53.

I remember that, no one really explained what the incentives even are. I hear more about those types of contracts in the NFL. Maybe All Star games or play 70/82 games?

It would either be stat related (which we would assume he reached?), or team related like playoff bonus. Maybe All Star bonus. Somebody has to know.

[p0peye]

Stop using Frye abomination of a deal to prove Tobias was given low ball offer, when he wasn't. Tobias was offered more than Markief Morris deal (4/32M), which was more than fair. Frye was complete blunder by Henny and he was called out on that by me and few other people in Channing Frye thread when he was signed (actually I even bumped that thread few months ago just to prove how people were blindly defending Henny).

And yes, signing Frye to that much money contributed to Tobias refusing extension deal at 9M.