Poll: Who do you want with #3? (VOTE AGAIN)

[LloydFree]

Andrew Harrison has suffered from over exposure and is now under-rated, where other players who get under exposed have become overrated. If Andrew Harrison played at San Diego state, we'd be hearing about this good defensive PG with elite size, who hits his Free throws and can hit the open 3. Instead with Harrison, the focus is on what he can't do. I think he could have a Jarrett Jack type career at minimum.

I wholeheartedly disagree. He's slow, especially for a PG. His shooting isn't really there. He gets in his own head and makes mistake after mistake.

As usual, he could surprise once he's in the NBA and develops his game, but he's quite mediocre based off what he showed in college.

I'm with Negrodamus. I've seen enough of both Harrisons to be pretty confident they can't play.

Jarrett Jack has had a pretty good career. If you're telling me Andrew Harrison's FLOOR is to be a ~league average player for a decade he should be a mid first round pick. But I don't see it.

Except for finishing at the rim, Andrew Harrison does just about everything Jarret Jack did in college. I get that Andrew Harrison is slow. If he was fast, he'd be in the top part of the lottery, like Mudiay. When you are that big, you are going to be slow. Go look at some video of George (Lucas) De Paula. He's slower than Andrew Harrison, but people want to take him in the 1st round.
Due to the primitive offensive system Kentucky runs, its hard to say if he can play an NBA system, but if Harrison improved his shooting just a little bit, his defense could keep him in the league.

[Sixerscan]

I wholeheartedly disagree. He's slow, especially for a PG. His shooting isn't really there. He gets in his own head and makes mistake after mistake.

As usual, he could surprise once he's in the NBA and develops his game, but he's quite mediocre based off what he showed in college.

I'm with Negrodamus. I've seen enough of both Harrisons to be pretty confident they can't play.

Jarrett Jack has had a pretty good career. If you're telling me Andrew Harrison's FLOOR is to be a ~league average player for a decade he should be a mid first round pick. But I don't see it.

Except for finishing at the rim, Andrew Harrison does just about everything Jarret Jack did in college. I get that Andrew Harrison is slow. If he was fast, he'd be in the top part of the lottery, like Mudiay. When you are that big, you are going to be slow. Go look at some video of George (Lucas) Depaula. He's slower than Andrew Harrison, but people want to take him in the 1st round.
Due to the primitive offensive system Kentucky runs, its hard to say if he can play an NBA system, but if Harrison improved his shooting just a little bit, his defense could keep him in the league.

Ok well if that's all you are saying, I agree with you, and I think we more just disagree over how good of a career Jack has had. He's done much more than just stay in the league.

Jarrett Jack led the ACC in true shooting percentage his junior year, and had an awesome tournament his soph year. 5 minutes of watching that guy play point guard in college and you could tell he has a feel for the position that Harrison is still a long way from reaching. If Harrison went back for his junior year and had a year like Jack did, I could see this comp. Jack probably wouldn't have been drafted in the first round after his sophomore year either.

And yeah, a lot of other guys are enigmas that might have the same issues Harrison does. But I think that's more of an argument to not draft those guys so high, rather than to draft Harrison higher.

[76ciology]

Been watching CBA games of Mudiay. Here are my thoughts..

CBA game is a slow death. Most of the guys aren't long and athletic. So there are two glaring things I notice in general, defense is bad and pace is slow. The defense is bad, and that explains the high scoring. So if you have high motor and athletic, you would certainly dominate the game because you would be unmatched in covering distance.

There's a huge disparity between american/NBA talent level and regular CBA players. You can't just say that competition is bad. For instance with Mudiay against his last game against Beijing, the once 6'7 PG for the Lakers Sun Yue defended him. Just like in any league, you are respected if you are a good player. The best perimeter defender or the opposing team have a defensive gameplan to stop you. Same can be said in the hoops summit where the USA's best perimeter players did guard Mudiay with a rotation of Oubre or Stanley Johnson.

Mudiay, in general, was impressive. He's still not a polished player. Maybe in terms of progress to fill out his ceiling he's probably a 4 in the scale of 1 to 10. With a 10 development, you'd probably see a LBJ version PG dominating and imposing his will. He's a smart player that he knows when to carry the team's scoring or when is it to keep everyone involve, something MCW lacked. He's also a true PG that he sets the offense and gets his teammates into scoring position either thru sets or thru create. I also think his shooting has been developing nicely that personally, I think it's a non issue despite the 50+ FT%.

Mudiay is not a relentless scorer like Harden, Westbrook, Rose or Russell. So he wasn't able to average 30ppg despite all the elite gifts he has. On paper, he should have been scoring 30+ per night just by bulldozing his way on offense against smaller defenders or just relentlessly penetrating and getting to the line. He's athletic in terms of vertical and body control, but he doesn't have the Wall-Rose-Westbrook explosiveness and more of a Deron level.

Mudiay is a decisive play maker that fits in a drive and draw system. For instance, he'd likely kick it out to a corner shooter than taking a wide open mid range jumper or driving against a defender. As TO prone as he is, which can also be blame with the lack of familiarity with his teammates, he is a good decision maker that explains the praise for his true PG ability. Mudiay is dynamic because his offense doesn't just lie on perimeter scoring. He'll be the consistent playmaker that assures your offense would run smoothly when he's on court.

Right now Russell is the better player for the same reason I think Russell would have averaged 20+ppg in the CBA by shooting over CBA players. The selling point with Mudiay is his potential, with a better motor and improved jumper he can be the best PG in the league by being a very dynamic PG that can be elite in every aspect (shoot, penetrate, create, rebound, facilitate & defend). And both of these weakenss are not impossible to improve, on paper.

[LloydFree]

I'm with Negrodamus. I've seen enough of both Harrisons to be pretty confident they can't play.

Jarrett Jack has had a pretty good career. If you're telling me Andrew Harrison's FLOOR is to be a ~league average player for a decade he should be a mid first round pick. But I don't see it.

Except for finishing at the rim, Andrew Harrison does just about everything Jarret Jack did in college. I get that Andrew Harrison is slow. If he was fast, he'd be in the top part of the lottery, like Mudiay. When you are that big, you are going to be slow. Go look at some video of George (Lucas) Depaula. He's slower than Andrew Harrison, but people want to take him in the 1st round.
Due to the primitive offensive system Kentucky runs, its hard to say if he can play an NBA system, but if Harrison improved his shooting just a little bit, his defense could keep him in the league.

Ok well if that's all you are saying, I agree with you, and I think we more just disagree over how good of a career Jack has had. He's done much more than just stay in the league.

Jarrett Jack led the ACC in true shooting percentage his junior year, and had an awesome tournament his soph year. 5 minutes of watching that guy play point guard in college and you could tell he has a feel for the position that Harrison is still a long way from reaching. If Harrison went back for his junior year and had a year like Jack did, I could see this comp. Jack probably wouldn't have been drafted in the first round after his sophomore year either.

And yeah, a lot of other guys are enigmas that might have the same issues Harrison does. But I think that's more of an argument to not draft those guys so high, rather than to draft Harrison higher.

You are right. I shouldn't have said "Jarrett Jack career minimum". That's not his floor, but I think that is the level guard Harrison could/will become as a Pro.

[mksp]

Kawhi Leonard went 15th in the 2011 draft because nobody thought he would learn how to shoot.

You take bets on these guys that show elite traits nearly everywhere except for their shot.

I wish Mudiay was a bit more explosive, but you're just not finding a lot of guys with his size and skill set.

[SparksFly87]

mudiay will struggle getting by defenders ala MCW. why draft him when we already have two elite penetrating point guards in Wroten and Ish Smith. Scoring two guards with elite vision , handle and shooting like Russell are rare.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Ish Smith and Wroten are not "elite" penetrating guards. They are quick, but not elite at penetrating, and one is coming off a torn ACL.

I'm also not sure Russell's skill set is all that "rare" either. He's a good player, but he's not Ray Allen as a shooter or anything, and he has good handles, but not sure he has the elite quickness to fully utilize it and get defenders to play off of him because they respect his ability to drive.

I'm not comparing their games necessarily, but I think Russell will be something like a Kemba Walker or a Monta Ellis type in the NBA. A good scoring combo guard, but not a franchise player.

[LloydFree]

Ish Smith and Wroten are not "elite" penetrating guards. They are quick, but not elite at penetrating, and one is coming off a torn ACL.

I'm also not sure Russell's skill set is all that "rare" either. He's a good player, but he's not Ray Allen as a shooter or anything, and he has good handles, but not sure he has the elite quickness to fully utilize it and get defenders to play off of him because they respect his ability to drive.

I'm not comparing their games necessarily, but I think Russell will be something like a Kemba Walker or a Monta Ellis type in the NBA. A good scoring combo guard, but not a franchise player.

D Russell: Freshman Ht 6'5, .411 3P%

Ray Allen: Freshman Ht 6'5, .402 3P%
Kemba W: Freshman Ht 6'1, .271 3P%

[LongLiveHinkie]

Ish Smith and Wroten are not "elite" penetrating guards. They are quick, but not elite at penetrating, and one is coming off a torn ACL.

I'm also not sure Russell's skill set is all that "rare" either. He's a good player, but he's not Ray Allen as a shooter or anything, and he has good handles, but not sure he has the elite quickness to fully utilize it and get defenders to play off of him because they respect his ability to drive.

I'm not comparing their games necessarily, but I think Russell will be something like a Kemba Walker or a Monta Ellis type in the NBA. A good scoring combo guard, but not a franchise player.

D Russell: Freshman Ht 6'5, .411 3P%

Ray Allen: Freshman Ht 6'5, .402 3P%
Kemba W: Freshman Ht 6'1, .271 3P%

I'm not really big on stats, they don't really mean anything to me. Throw me any stats you want, Russell isn't close to as good of a shooter as Ray Allen. He just isn't.

[AAKing23]

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Yesss!!

[Unbreakable99]

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Yesss!!

Complete nonsense. This is a complete guess on his part and it's horrible journalism. This is just like last year when every reporter said Hinkie tanked for Wiggins and would do whatever he can to get him. That was false too. Hinkie very well may want Russell over every other player but this is 100% guess work. Chad Ford also has "people in the know" who say Hinkie wants Mudiay and will draft him. We all know Hinkie's thoughts on prospects are tougher to get than getting into Fort Knox.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Everyone said last year the Sixers would do everything it took to trade up for Wiggins and it turns out they ended up making exactly zero offers to the Cavs.

Hinkie keeps things very close to the vest. I wouldn't buy anything this early in the game.

[freshie2]

Ish Smith and Wroten are not "elite" penetrating guards. They are quick, but not elite at penetrating, and one is coming off a torn ACL.

I'm also not sure Russell's skill set is all that "rare" either. He's a good player, but he's not Ray Allen as a shooter or anything, and he has good handles, but not sure he has the elite quickness to fully utilize it and get defenders to play off of him because they respect his ability to drive.

I'm not comparing their games necessarily, but I think Russell will be something like a Kemba Walker or a Monta Ellis type in the NBA. A good scoring combo guard, but not a franchise player.

D Russell: Freshman Ht 6'5, .411 3P%

Ray Allen: Freshman Ht 6'5, .402 3P%
Kemba W: Freshman Ht 6'1, .271 3P%

I'm not really big on stats, they don't really mean anything to me. Throw me any stats you want, Russell isn't close to as good of a shooter as Ray Allen. He just isn't.

Apparently he's better...

[LloydFree]

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Yesss!!

I hope, I hope, I hope

[marcush]

Pompey making stuff up. He is obviously not familiar with Mudiay's UPSIDE.

[Mik317]

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Yesss!!

Welp, guess we know who we aren't drafting now.

[76ciology]

mudiay will struggle getting by defenders ala MCW. why draft him when we already have two elite penetrating point guards in Wroten and Ish Smith. Scoring two guards with elite vision , handle and shooting like Russell are rare.

Difference with MCW and Mudiay is that Mudiay has "break your man" level handles. It's actually one of the best thing he's good at. MCW on the other hand has similar handles like Iguodala or MCW, they are one hand dominant and has the ability to take them places on the court but not good enough to leave his man and draw defenders.

[76ciology]

Ish Smith and Wroten are not "elite" penetrating guards. They are quick, but not elite at penetrating, and one is coming off a torn ACL.

I'm also not sure Russell's skill set is all that "rare" either. He's a good player, but he's not Ray Allen as a shooter or anything, and he has good handles, but not sure he has the elite quickness to fully utilize it and get defenders to play off of him because they respect his ability to drive.

I'm not comparing their games necessarily, but I think Russell will be something like a Kemba Walker or a Monta Ellis type in the NBA. A good scoring combo guard, but not a franchise player.

Russell is really good in terms of his contribution on offense. I believe has historic numbers in VORP & ORTG. His shooting shouldn't be questioned. The problem lies more of on the limited upside of his game outside shooting and passing. Worst case I see with Russell is the 2012 Redick role with the Magic where they gave them opportunity to be a play maker.

Russell is a more skilled ball handler than Iggy and MCW. But he dribbles too high and favors his left too much, that's why most of his defenders like to go for steals whenever he dribbles. But he is skilled enough for the behind the backs and crossovers that prevent it to get stolen most of the time. The difficulty lies more on dribbling in traffic, thus he frequently settles for jumpers instead. And probably that quick bounce left to right to leave his defender.

I really don't mind drafting either one of them. Just leaning on Mudiay because of his upside which is more fitting to value for a top 3 pick.

[Sixerscan]

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Yesss!!

Doubt the Sixers themselves even know who they want yet

[phantom84]

Give me Mudiay, I rather take the risk and go for the upside.