Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[AtheJ415]

The last two posts are spot on IMO. Plus his appears to be a mature leadership type of guy. He, Len, and Warren would be an interesting complementary triumvirate.

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe with Kaminsky providing space and Warren cutting to the basket and Len spotting up 10-12 ft from the basket.

Kaminsky isn't a leader imo. He spent the entire presser after losing crying about the officials, and he wrote a 3 page blog post about how he hates anyone who is perceived as better than him, including Anthony Davis. And no I'm not joking about that last part.

[JMac1]

The last two posts are spot on IMO. Plus his appears to be a mature leadership type of guy. He, Len, and Warren would be an interesting complementary triumvirate.

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe with Kaminsky providing space and Warren cutting to the basket and Len spotting up 10-12 ft from the basket.

Kaminsky isn't a leader imo. He spent the entire presser after losing crying about the officials, and he wrote a 3 page blog post about how he hates anyone who is perceived as better than him, including Anthony Davis. And no I'm not joking about that last part.

I disagree, but duly noted.

[3rdside]

Can't fault the confidence - love kaminsky


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[Mulhollanddrive]

What's the expectation from Kaminsky fans?

Peak 13/7/1 type player or better?

[Saberestar]

What's the expectation from Kaminsky fans?

Peak 13/7/1 type player or better?

Yes, I expect something around that numbers. Not an All Star, but solid starter. At #13 I think that would be great value.

[jcsunsfan]

The last two posts are spot on IMO. Plus his appears to be a mature leadership type of guy. He, Len, and Warren would be an interesting complementary triumvirate.

I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe with Kaminsky providing space and Warren cutting to the basket and Len spotting up 10-12 ft from the basket.

Kaminsky isn't a leader imo. He spent the entire presser after losing crying about the officials, and he wrote a 3 page blog post about how he hates anyone who is perceived as better than him, including Anthony Davis. And no I'm not joking about that last part.

Tried to find it and can't. Link?

[jcsunsfan]

What's the expectation from Kaminsky fans?

Peak 13/7/1 type player or better?

I think that would be about right, but efficient with those numbers. 55% shooting and 40+% from the 3. Also 4 assists. He will won't be the fire of a team, but will be the oil that helps everthing else run smoothly. Boris Diaw with a three point shot.

Good value at #13. We could swing for a star at that point and pick someone else, or pick someone like Kaminsky who won't be a star but will have immediate positive impact on the team. His play could make Bledsoe a star.

[Bogyo]

Not a fan. I remember something about him not declaring for last years draft becouse he didn't like the NBA or something silly like that... To me it seems he is not fully into basketball for some reason, and those guys rarely excel in the toughest league in the world.

[jcsunsfan]

Not a fan. I remember something about him not declaring for last years draft becouse he didn't like the NBA or something silly like that... To me it seems he is not fully into basketball for some reason, and those guys rarely excel in the toughest league in the world.

Wouldn't be better to read exactly what he said? He said that the fan support at the college level is a blast, and he loves it. The NBA doesn't often have that type of support. Basically he said that he loves the college experience and wanted another chance at winning it all. You are jumping to conclusions. Here is the link.

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/wiscons ... -wisconsin

I hope everyone else is thinking the same thing and he falls to 13.

[bwgood77]

Not a fan. I remember something about him not declaring for last years draft becouse he didn't like the NBA or something silly like that... To me it seems he is not fully into basketball for some reason, and those guys rarely excel in the toughest league in the world.

Wouldn't be better to read exactly what he said? He said that the fan support at the college level is a blast, and he loves it. The NBA doesn't often have that type of support. Basically he said that he loves the college experience and wanted another chance at winning it all. You are jumping to conclusions. Here is the link.

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/wiscons ... -wisconsin

I hope everyone else is thinking the same thing and he falls to 13.

If he thinks it looks boring when there is little fan support, he sure as hell would be bored in Phx. Not saying I don't want him though.

[Damkac]

Why would those two teams value picks over young vets? They have too many young player and too many rookies coming up. They can never possibly develop the players they have without some sort of veterans on the rosters.

Philly definitely value picks over anything. Don't know about Wolves but imo it makes more sense for them to get another great young player and find some veterans in free agency. I know they were interested in Bledsoe but doubt they would give top3 pick for him.

So which team is going to take on $28 million, and cough up a top six pick? Or better yet, how many bad contracts would we have to take back for the numbers to even come close to working?

Who said Suns must trade Bledsoe and Morri to the same team?

The bad teams spend all year sucking major wang to get the picks that give you guys like Russell, Winslow, and Towns. We can't move into that area of the draft - it's just not happening. Those teams aren't surrendering the picks just for Bledsoe. Guys 5-10 really aren't worth spewing away our best trade chip for, especially when there's lots of upside guys available at pick 13 (and all the way down into the 20's). The risk reward is just way, way too bad for that, since draft picks on average are pretty likely to bust.

We shouldn't be in a hurry to throw away our best trade asset before something actually good materializes.

So top4 pick is worth much more than Bledsoe but 5th or 6th pick are worth much less than Bledsoe?
There isn't even 100% certainty who will be selected in top4 and who will fall.

[MrMiyagi]

Let's follow Philly and Minnesota by trading proven NBA players for a shot at picking the next superstar.

[Mulhollanddrive]

One thing I'm interested in is the SF prototype - Length, Athleticism, Defence, Character, Overachiever. Not necessarily the best shooters, which allows them to fall past the elite range.

Since 2010 (pick number):
- George (10), Leonard (15), Antetokounmpo (15), Butler (28), Green (35).

Stanley Johnson is the closest fit this year. With his work ethic and defense, his floor is already PJ Tucker and his upside is the above guys if he can improve his shooting similarly.

He's lower risk, due to his physical development, than my other favourites outside the top 4 - Porzingis and Wood.

[jredsaz]

So top4 pick is worth much more than Bledsoe but 5th or 6th pick are worth much less than Bledsoe?
There isn't even 100% certainty who will be selected in top4 and who will fall.

I think the truth is in the middle.

The top four picks are out of the Suns reach. I think, at this point, there is a uniform belief that Okafore, Mudiay, Towns, and Russell are cream of the crop. Bledsoe plus a late lottery pick is not going to start a conversation with those teams.

However, I think the next group has a couple kids with all-star potential, Porzingis, Hezonja, Winslow, Johnson, maybe Cauley-Stein and Looney. I also think that the Kings, Pistons, and Heat are all conceivable trade partners, particularly the Kings.

I would consider a Bledsoe trade up to 6 or 7 depending on the prospect available. Also, I would consider a Markieff and 13 for either 8 or 10.

Bottom line, I think the drop from the second group to the next featuring Kaminsky, Dekker, Turner, Oubre, Portis, Grant, Booker, etc. is severe. I do not see any all-star talent in this group.

I just don't think drafting a player at 13 this year will help the Suns.

[Scutt]

Its bad enough that the Suns always end up with 13th or 14th pick every year, so I really don't want to see us draft someone who might help us right away, but has a lower ceiling compared to other prospects available. Our previous front office did this when they chose Markeiff over Leonard. This Suns team is in desperate need of a star, not more role players, we have plenty of those. They need to take whoever they feel has the most potential, regardless of position.

[Ryu]

One thing I'm interested in is the SF prototype - Length, Athleticism, Defence, Character, Overachiever. Not necessarily the best shooters, which allows them to fall past the elite range.

Since 2010 (pick number):
- George (10), Leonard (15), Antetokounmpo (15), Butler (28), Green (35).

Stanley Johnson is the closest fit this year. With his work ethic and defense, his floor is already PJ Tucker and his upside is the above guys if he can improve his shooting similarly.

He's lower risk, due to his physical development, than my other favourites outside the top 4 - Porzingis and Wood.

Justise Winslow.

Trading Bledsoe to the Kings for the 6th pick makes too much sense. We can then take one of Russell/Winslow/Hezonja/Johnson and a PF/C with the 13th (Turner/Kaminsky/Portis/Looney).

I like Bledsoe but ideally he is the third option on a good, playoff team. Realistically, there are no stars we can get right now via trade or free agency and we are going nowhere with Eric as a first option. So, cash on our best asset and draft a guy with huge potential with the 6th pick and go from there. I would be fine with either Russell or Winslow. Those are supremely talented kids with a winning mentality.

[Mr-Al]

So top4 pick is worth much more than Bledsoe but 5th or 6th pick are worth much less than Bledsoe?
There isn't even 100% certainty who will be selected in top4 and who will fall.

I think the truth is in the middle.

The top four picks are out of the Suns reach. I think, at this point, there is a uniform belief that Okafore, Mudiay, Towns, and Russell are cream of the crop. Bledsoe plus a late lottery pick is not going to start a conversation with those teams.

However, I think the next group has a couple kids with all-star potential, Porzingis, Hezonja, Winslow, Johnson, maybe Cauley-Stein and Looney. I also think that the Kings, Pistons, and Heat are all conceivable trade partners, particularly the Kings.

I would consider a Bledsoe trade up to 6 or 7 depending on the prospect available. Also, I would consider a Markieff and 13 for either 8 or 10.

Bottom line, I think the drop from the second group to the next featuring Kaminsky, Dekker, Turner, Oubre, Portis, Grant, Booker, etc. is severe. I do not see any all-star talent in this group.

I just don't think drafting a player at 13 this year will help the Suns.

so true

[Mr-Al]

One thing I'm interested in is the SF prototype - Length, Athleticism, Defence, Character, Overachiever. Not necessarily the best shooters, which allows them to fall past the elite range.

Since 2010 (pick number):
- George (10), Leonard (15), Antetokounmpo (15), Butler (28), Green (35).

Stanley Johnson is the closest fit this year. With his work ethic and defense, his floor is already PJ Tucker and his upside is the above guys if he can improve his shooting similarly.

He's lower risk, due to his physical development, than my other favourites outside the top 4 - Porzingis and Wood.

Justise Winslow.

Trading Bledsoe to the Kings for the 6th pick makes too much sense. We can then take one of Russell/Winslow/Hezonja/Johnson and a PF/C with the 13th (Turner/Kaminsky/Portis/Looney).

I like Bledsoe but ideally he is the third option on a good, playoff team. Realistically, there are no stars we can get right now via trade or free agency and we are going nowhere with Eric as a first option. So, cash on our best asset and draft a guy with huge potential with the 6th pick and go from there. I would be fine with either Russell or Winslow. Those are supremely talented kids with a winning mentality.

well said

[Kyler Murray]

You don't trade your best player who's just entering his prime for a pick unless it's a sure thing like Wiggins/KD/Wall. So unless Bledsoe can net us a top 3 pick, pass. You 're all talking about trading Bledsoe for a 6-10 pick. Here's some players that went 6-10 the last decade.

2005) 5: Felton 6: Webster 7: Villanueva 8: Frye 9: Diogu
2006) 5: Shelden Williams 7: Foye 9: O'Bryant 10: Sene
2007) 6: Yi 7: Brewer 8: Wright 10: Hawes
2008) 6: Gallinari 8: Alexander 9: Augustin
2009) 6: Flynn 8: Jordan Hill 10: Jennings
2010) 6: Udoh 8: Aminu
2011) 6: Vesely 7: Biyombo 10: Fredette
2012) 5: Robinson 6: Barnes 8: Ross 10: Rivers

Do you really believe a 5-10 pick is fair value for Bledsoe? You'd have to nail the pick to find a player that's gonna have a better production than Eric, so why take the chance?

[MathiasPW]

You don't trade your best player who's just entering his prime for a pick unless it's a sure thing like Wiggins/KD/Wall. So unless Bledsoe can net us a top 3 pick, pass. You 're all talking about trading Bledsoe for a 6-10 pick. Here's some players that went 6-10 the last decade.

2005) 5: Felton 6: Webster 7: Villanueva 8: Frye 9: Diogu
2006) 5: Shelden Williams 7: Foye 9: O'Bryant 10: Sene
2007) 6: Yi 7: Brewer 8: Wright 10: Hawes
2008) 6: Gallinari 8: Alexander 9: Augustin
2009) 6: Flynn 8: Jordan Hill 10: Jennings
2010) 6: Udoh 8: Aminu
2011) 6: Vesely 7: Biyombo 10: Fredette
2012) 5: Robinson 6: Barnes 8: Ross 10: Rivers

Do you really believe a 5-10 pick is fair value for Bledsoe? You'd have to nail the pick to find a player that's gonna have a better production than Eric, so why take the chance?

There are several stats showing that odds are thin of finding much value outside top-5. Yet every draft it goes the same way. The grass is always greener on the other side, and peeps tend to overvalue uncertain potential over certain production, as is the case with Bledsoe. I'd give up Bledsoe to get a current NBA player that is already a star, but never on an unproven draft choice.