Transfer Thread 10.0 - 2017 January Window

[Man of Steel]

James creates more chances and provides more key passes per 90 Think that's a bit more valuable than fouls suffered, even with our FK takers being Ronaldo and Bale.

Only scenario where we realistically let Bale go is if we've got our minds set on a switch to a 4-4-2 with Isco Kroos Pogba James. Unless Modric's injuries start to be a serious worry, I doubt it happens.

I'm fine with us keeping our players and you lot keeping yours

[5DOM]

That was just a response to your comment on Hazard only being a tad better than James at dribbling, which just isn't true. If anything, the stats show there's negligible differences between them in key passes and chances created. Once you consider one plays next to a guy who averages more than 1 goal a game, the differences seem even smaller.

[Man of Steel]

Their percentage of successful dribbles is a more accurate gauge of dribbling ability than the number of times they get fouled, and while Hazard's 12% on James is solid, James' increased average pass length fits a counter oriented team better. Not to mention their pass completion is almost identical, and James attempts slightly more passes.

Ronaldo stopped averaging a goal a game when James was out- in fact, he had probably his worst stretch of games at the club over that period. Not saying James makes Ronaldo, but James has clearly been a boost to his performance this season, and easily our best playmaker even ahead of Modric and Kroos. Ronaldo literally adapted better to losing Ozil and Di Maria; now you can chalk that up to his personal issues, but James' absence certainly played a part, and that is only accentuated by their link up play with him returned to the XI. Enjoy Hazard though, he's a joy to watch. Like I said, I'm good with our players.

Guys like Illarramendi and Khedira are on their way out almost surely, whilst Lucas Silva may be sent out on loan to make way for a returning Casemiro (only got so many non-EU spots). Reports are saying we'll fill the DM hole with Verratti, which is interesting, but then at least one of the group of Kroos, Isco, Modric, James, and Verratti would sit every game. Those are all players with world class ability or potential, so that's another headache to sort. Carlo could definitely get the best out of Verratti, who would be more suited to Kroos' position, but again that only works when Modric starts to age out. There's strong consideration of making Hernandez' move permanent as well, with a reported 10M fee being a decent price for him at this level of performance.

[5DOM]

You should also look at the number of take-ons. This is like comparing Andrea Bargnani's 3 point shooting to Stephen Curry's.

[Man of Steel]

Hazard is the #1 option on his team, of course he attempts significantly more than James, at best a #3 option in our attack. All I was saying is from a technical standpoint, what we already have in James and Isco (who are younger), is good enough that we don't have to give up Bale for a similar, older, and slightly better player.

This is pointless. We've got 2 #10s that suffer enough from the fact we don't field that position- we don't need a Left Winger/10 to come here and add to those problems. Not to mention how unbalanced that would make this team, unless you lot are throwing in Matic on top.

[Ted Lasso]

huge Torres money finally coming off the books

This gave me a chuckle but it's a legit point. I bet Chelsea could work within FFP if signing Bale outright either way, though.

[5DOM]

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Hazard is the #1 option on his team, of course he attempts significantly more than James, at best a #3 option in our attack. All I was saying is from a technical standpoint, what we already have in James and Isco (who are younger), is good enough that we don't have to give up Bale for a similar, older, and slightly better player.

This is pointless. We've got 2 #10s that suffer enough from the fact we don't field that position- we don't need a Left Winger/10 to come here and add to those problems. Not to mention how unbalanced that would make this team, unless you lot are throwing in Matic on top.

Our #3 option at best, Willian, has better dribbling #'s than James. What I'm saying is they are different kind of players. Hazard's a better dribbler than anyone on Real for example. Btw I don't know if Hazard's actually better than Bale, but he's definitely younger.

[Man of Steel]

I feel like you're missing the point I was making completely. Willian will never play #10, for any team. Hazard, if he came, would play as a #10, and James plays a role similar to a traditional #10 now, albeit with more defensive work. So I was comparing the natural attributes they each bring to the table as #10s- Hazard's superior dribbling and leadership (which wouldn't necessarily translate in a system with so many other high quality attackers) compared to James' slightly better passing, goal-scoring, off ball movement, and defensive work.

[J-Mezzy]

Hazard vs James is always an interesting debate. Statistically, you could say that James is better since he has played about 1000 less.

Hazard is definitely a better dribble than James, same with Isco. James is a sneaky dribnler though. He is not flashy, but he knows how to get past a defender with intent. What I mean is that James gets past his defender and immediately makes the pass, cross, or shot. He doesn't keep running or dribnling, which makes him dangerous.

Both are amazing players. Madrid might go after Eden due to star power, but what they really need is some CMs and DMs. Not more attacking players when you already have the guys they have

[MaliBrah]

Cadena SER and COPE are reporting atleti and real will both be hit with similar 1 year bans that barca got hit with for the same reason.

[Man of Steel]

Cadena SER and COPE are reporting atleti and real will both be hit with similar 1 year bans that barca got hit with for the same reason.

There's only 1 or 2 lowkey moves I'd make this summer anyway. I know this'll sound crazy but that's possibly the best news I've heard in ages, for a couple of reasons.

1. Players already here will have more assurances that no additional competition comes in.
2. We'll be prevented from spending too much money when we really have enough depth everywhere but DM and possibly striker (Chicharito's been solid so we may want to use the option on him before we get hit with the ban, whilst Jesé hasn't really reached his level of performance pre-injury). No added Pogba or Verratti to our already full midfield. We'll also think hard about selling players on the cheap to free up additional funds.
3. We can wait for De Gea's contract to end and pick him up on a free next year, and maybe not send Casillas to Arsenal

[MaliBrah]

Cadena SER and COPE are reporting atleti and real will both be hit with similar 1 year bans that barca got hit with for the same reason.

There's only 1 or 2 lowkey moves I'd make this summer anyway. I know this'll sound crazy but that's possibly the best news I've heard in ages, for a couple of reasons.

1. Players already here will have more assurances that no additional competition comes in.
2. We'll be prevented from spending too much money when we really have enough depth everywhere but DM and possibly striker (Chicharito's been solid so we may want to use the option on him before we get hit with the ban, whilst Jesé hasn't really reached his level of performance pre-injury). No added Pogba or Verratti to our already full midfield. We'll also think hard about selling players on the cheap to free up additional funds.
3. We can wait for De Gea's contract to end and pick him up on a free next year, and maybe not send Casillas to Arsenal

yeah everything you said makes sense except for this. If you plan on signing De Gea on a free next summer then the ban has to start this summer. How can you guys then register danilo this summer if you are to be banned until next summer. I think you'll have to appeal and ask to get one window of singing players like barca got. Register danilo and sign de gea on a cut price deal + anyone else you need to stock pile over the ban.

[5DOM]

2016 summer, Real will spend 500M

[J-Mezzy]

Madrid will appeal and get it postponed and buy whoever they want.

The Danilo, Silva, Gaya, Odengard signings make sense now

[MaliBrah]

thought gaya was about to resign with valencia and extend his contract.

[Man of Steel]

yeah everything you said makes sense except for this. If you plan on signing De Gea on a free next summer then the ban has to start this summer. How can you guys then register danilo this summer if you are to be banned until next summer. I think you'll have to appeal and ask to get one window of singing players like barca got. Register danilo and sign de gea on a cut price deal + anyone else you need to stock pile over the ban.

Yeah, forgot we'd have to register the players we've already signed. That actually takes away some of our negotiating power over DDG, though with 1 year left on a player that clearly doesn't want to stay it's not like they could demand much to begin with. Appeal is likely with all the signing already made, but I really hope we don't make waves trying to account for how long it's gonna be till we get to buy again.

Barring major injuries, this side is as good as it'll be for a couple years what with 3 of the oldest players (Ronaldo, Modric, and Pepe) being the best in the attack, midfield, and defense respectively, and the rest of the squad being filled with young talent (Bale, James, Isco, Kroos, Varane, Carvajal) that have proven their mettle here.

[MaliBrah]

yeah everything you said makes sense except for this. If you plan on signing De Gea on a free next summer then the ban has to start this summer. How can you guys then register danilo this summer if you are to be banned until next summer. I think you'll have to appeal and ask to get one window of singing players like barca got. Register danilo and sign de gea on a cut price deal + anyone else you need to stock pile over the ban.

Yeah, forgot we'd have to register the players we've already signed. That actually takes away some of our negotiating power over DDG, though with 1 year left on a player that clearly doesn't want to stay it's not like they could demand much to begin with. Appeal is likely with all the signing already made, but I really hope we don't make waves trying to account for how long it's gonna be till we get to buy again.

Barring major injuries, this side is as good as it'll be for a couple years what with 3 of the oldest players (Ronaldo, Modric, and Pepe) being the best in the attack, midfield, and defense respectively, and the rest of the squad being filled with young talent (Bale, James, Isco, Kroos, Varane, Carvajal) that have proven their mettle here.

yeah it gives united a bit more leverage but really it shouldn't be much with his contract up the next year. I think flo might go crazy if the season doesn't end with the UCL or Liga titles an an upcoming year ban. We're here for the cast offs if thats the case.

[Man of Steel]

yeah it gives united a bit more leverage but really it shouldn't be much with his contract up the next year. I think flo might go crazy if the season doesn't end with the UCL or Liga titles an an upcoming year ban. We're here for the cast offs if thats the case.

It's entirely possible we win nothing this season, in which case a couple guys are likely to leave. But aside from the obvious names (Khedira, Coentrao, Illarramendi) I have no idea who we'd part with. Lucas Silva's probably regretting his move here.

I feel like Bale, Isco, Varane, and Modric are all staying for sure but who knows- Bale's had his troubles, Isco's seen significant minutes but still isn't content with his role, Varane's only just displaced Pepe when everyone is healthy, and Modric has suffered his second serious injury this season. Di Maria and Ozil were no less a shock than any of these guys would be. I just have no idea who we would bring in to replace any of these players if we only have the one summer window that the appeal buys us. Any FM scenario I cook up seems less and less likely

[J-Mezzy]

I hope Chelsea does buy Bale. Move Hazard to the right, play Bale on his natural spot and dominate the EPL for years. Make it happen.

At the same time, that would allow Madrid to buy Veratti or Pogba and play with a real midfield. Win win for both teams

[Captain_Obvious]

I hope Chelsea does buy Bale. Move Hazard to the right, play Bale on his natural spot and dominate the EPL for years. Make it happen.

At the same time, that would allow Madrid to buy Veratti or Pogba and play with a real midfield. Win win for both teams

Doubt Real is selling any players with the transfer ban looming. But I would love to be a Real player with my contract expiring in the middle of the ban.