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Post#461 » by bwgood77 » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:14 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:Can you all just calm the f*** down until the case gets resolved in court? If they're convicted then obviously there needs to be punishment handed out from the Suns. If not, you move on and chalk it up to immaturity like we did for Archie and P.J.'s encounters with the law.


Yes, this is getting a bit ridiculous. Waive them? Trade the Miami picks to get rid of them? These guys have value. They need to let the issue resolve itself one way or another. Then we can put one of them or both on the market to see what we could get back.
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Post#462 » by Son of Ra » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:12 am

letsgosuns wrote:That article about Lance Blanks and the Morris brothers blows me away. Three things stand out to me. This first thing is this part of the article: "This is when the story could say that the Suns made the "safe" choice with Morris, although they were aware of the twins being linked to a 2009 fight between the Kansas football and basketball teams and Marcus' misdemeanor battery charge in 2012."

How can people defend the Morris brothers. Six years of bad behavior. Supposedly fighting in college in 2009. Now they are accused of felony aggravated assault in 2015. Marcus had a misdemeanor battery charge in 2012. When you watch that video of Marcus yelling at Hornacek, he did not look like a rational person. He appeared more like an angry man full of rage. I honestly felt that the Suns would trade him after that but they never did. I guess this front office is much more willing to put up with that garbage than Colangelo was unfortunately.

The second thing that stands out is the fact that the Suns were more interested in Jimmer Fredette than Kawhi Leonard. There are no words for something like that. I am speechless about that one. Finally, the third thing that stands out to me is that Blanks was not a fan of European players. Didn't he work for the Spurs? How can you work for the Spurs and see how much success they have had by drafting European players and then not be interested in them. Makes no sense. I do not know who was worse. Kevin Towers or Lance Blanks. I am going to say they are pretty much equal. Both of them are the worst general managers I have seen in their respective fields.

While I basically agree with everything else you said, let's be honest, NOBODY saw Leonard becoming the player he is now and will be. Minus the Spurs (and i wonder if they did to that extent), iirc I read that they were desperately trying to move up in the Draft for him.
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Post#463 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:32 am

Son of Ra wrote:While I basically agree with everything else you said, let's be honest, NOBODY saw Leonard becoming the player he is now and will be. Minus the Spurs (and i wonder if they did to that extent), iirc I read that they were desperately trying to move up in the Draft for him.

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Post#464 » by letsgosuns » Wed Apr 29, 2015 3:37 am

Son of Ra wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:That article about Lance Blanks and the Morris brothers blows me away. Three things stand out to me. This first thing is this part of the article: "This is when the story could say that the Suns made the "safe" choice with Morris, although they were aware of the twins being linked to a 2009 fight between the Kansas football and basketball teams and Marcus' misdemeanor battery charge in 2012."

How can people defend the Morris brothers. Six years of bad behavior. Supposedly fighting in college in 2009. Now they are accused of felony aggravated assault in 2015. Marcus had a misdemeanor battery charge in 2012. When you watch that video of Marcus yelling at Hornacek, he did not look like a rational person. He appeared more like an angry man full of rage. I honestly felt that the Suns would trade him after that but they never did. I guess this front office is much more willing to put up with that garbage than Colangelo was unfortunately.

The second thing that stands out is the fact that the Suns were more interested in Jimmer Fredette than Kawhi Leonard. There are no words for something like that. I am speechless about that one. Finally, the third thing that stands out to me is that Blanks was not a fan of European players. Didn't he work for the Spurs? How can you work for the Spurs and see how much success they have had by drafting European players and then not be interested in them. Makes no sense. I do not know who was worse. Kevin Towers or Lance Blanks. I am going to say they are pretty much equal. Both of them are the worst general managers I have seen in their respective fields.

While I basically agree with everything else you said, let's be honest, NOBODY saw Leonard becoming the player he is now and will be. Minus the Spurs (and i wonder if they did to that extent), iirc I read that they were desperately trying to move up in the Draft for him.


Yes I agree that no one saw it coming either. I just cannot believe the Suns were more interested in Fredette than Leonard and had virtually zero interest in Leonard. I understand them not picking him because they already had Hill, Dudley, and Childress but their reasoning of not liking him because of him being nervous in an interview is crazy.
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Post#465 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:07 am

Can't expect FO to be psychics, but they have to be able to analyse known information.

IE If The Morri end up in even more trouble and they trade them for next to nothing, ala Thomas, Dragic, Plumlee that's a FO error.

The Leonard thing I wouldn't blame them for, even though I wonder how the Spurs targetted him, traded up for him and made him a star player. It seems like they'd be the only team that could pull that off.
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Post#466 » by thamadkant » Wed Apr 29, 2015 4:58 am

Son of Ra wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:That article about Lance Blanks and the Morris brothers blows me away. Three things stand out to me. This first thing is this part of the article: "This is when the story could say that the Suns made the "safe" choice with Morris, although they were aware of the twins being linked to a 2009 fight between the Kansas football and basketball teams and Marcus' misdemeanor battery charge in 2012."

How can people defend the Morris brothers. Six years of bad behavior. Supposedly fighting in college in 2009. Now they are accused of felony aggravated assault in 2015. Marcus had a misdemeanor battery charge in 2012. When you watch that video of Marcus yelling at Hornacek, he did not look like a rational person. He appeared more like an angry man full of rage. I honestly felt that the Suns would trade him after that but they never did. I guess this front office is much more willing to put up with that garbage than Colangelo was unfortunately.

The second thing that stands out is the fact that the Suns were more interested in Jimmer Fredette than Kawhi Leonard. There are no words for something like that. I am speechless about that one. Finally, the third thing that stands out to me is that Blanks was not a fan of European players. Didn't he work for the Spurs? How can you work for the Spurs and see how much success they have had by drafting European players and then not be interested in them. Makes no sense. I do not know who was worse. Kevin Towers or Lance Blanks. I am going to say they are pretty much equal. Both of them are the worst general managers I have seen in their respective fields.

While I basically agree with everything else you said, let's be honest, NOBODY saw Leonard becoming the player he is now and will be. Minus the Spurs (and i wonder if they did to that extent), iirc I read that they were desperately trying to move up in the Draft for him.



Spurs had the following players in their scope during draft as late picks, either traded them or drafted them for themselves
- Dragic
- Barbosa
- Ginobili
- Parker

And they traded UP to get Leonard.

And we all know they tanked hard, by resting Robinson, for Tim Duncan.

Someone at the Spurs FO is a genius.
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Post#467 » by Kyler Murray » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:14 am

1UPZ wrote:Spurs had the following players in their scope during draft as late picks, either traded them or drafted them for themselves
- Dragic
- Barbosa
- Ginobili
- Parker

And they traded UP to get Leonard.

And we all know they tanked hard, by resting Robinson, for Tim Duncan.

Someone at the Spurs FO is a genius.


Dragic was picked on our behalf, and so was Barbosa.
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Post#468 » by RunDogGun » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:45 am

And unless Stern promised them the first pick, there really is no way the Spurs would have known that the fourth worst record would yield the number one pick.
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Post#469 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:54 am

RunDogGun wrote:And unless Stern promised them the first pick, there really is no way the Spurs would have known that the fourth worst record would yield the number one pick.

:noway:
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Post#470 » by RunDogGun » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:04 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:And unless Stern promised them the first pick, there really is no way the Spurs would have known that the fourth worst record would yield the number one pick.

:noway:

Which part? Are you saying they knew that the fourth worst record would give them the number one pick? :o
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Post#471 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:49 am

RunDogGun wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:And unless Stern promised them the first pick, there really is no way the Spurs would have known that the fourth worst record would yield the number one pick.

:noway:

Which part? Are you saying they knew that the fourth worst record would give them the number one pick? :o

This part
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Post#472 » by RunDogGun » Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:37 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote: :noway:

Which part? Are you saying they knew that the fourth worst record would give them the number one pick? :o

This part

That is what I was saying. They could not have known that having the fourth worst record would yield Duncan. So anyone saying they tanked to get Duncan, would have to explain how they accomplished this.
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Post#473 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:04 pm

RunDogGun wrote:That is what I was saying. They could not have known that having the fourth worst record would yield Duncan. So anyone saying they tanked to get Duncan, would have to explain how they accomplished this.

Agreed. Just in the last decade, we've seen a team with the 5th, 8th, 9th (twice) worst record win the #1 pick so Spurs coming away with the #1 pick isn't crazy nor is it some sort of genius move to tank for TD.
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Post#474 » by thamadkant » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:54 am

David Robinson was my favorite non-Suns player (Barkley, Majerle and KJ ahead of him) back in the mid 90s... in that year he was injured, Spurs "rested" him in order to get as high as possible from the draft. Whether they got help from Stern to nab the number 1 pick or they lucked out... the point was... they "rested" Robinson the entire season to be "sure" he is healthy but at the same time accumulate a high pick. Someone will ask for evidence, as per usual, but there won't be an evidence, if there was (Example: letter showing the coach getting instruction from the GM to lose etc) Then the Spurs would be crucified by everyone. I was fully aware of that year, those were the years when I spent $3 of my daily allowance buying NBA-specific weekly News paper here in Australia and collected basketball cards as a hobbie. NBA was the main discussion between friends and at school, although we didnt have the internet, we got enough information to feed our curiosities.
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Post#475 » by Cutter » Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:28 am

letsgosuns wrote:That article about Lance Blanks and the Morris brothers blows me away. Three things stand out to me. This first thing is this part of the article: "This is when the story could say that the Suns made the "safe" choice with Morris, although they were aware of the twins being linked to a 2009 fight between the Kansas football and basketball teams and Marcus' misdemeanor battery charge in 2012."

How can people defend the Morris brothers. Six years of bad behavior. Supposedly fighting in college in 2009. Now they are accused of felony aggravated assault in 2015. Marcus had a misdemeanor battery charge in 2012. When you watch that video of Marcus yelling at Hornacek, he did not look like a rational person. He appeared more like an angry man full of rage. I honestly felt that the Suns would trade him after that but they never did. I guess this front office is much more willing to put up with that garbage than Colangelo was unfortunately.

The second thing that stands out is the fact that the Suns were more interested in Jimmer Fredette than Kawhi Leonard. There are no words for something like that. I am speechless about that one. Finally, the third thing that stands out to me is that Blanks was not a fan of European players. Didn't he work for the Spurs? How can you work for the Spurs and see how much success they have had by drafting European players and then not be interested in them. Makes no sense. I do not know who was worse. Kevin Towers or Lance Blanks. I am going to say they are pretty much equal. Both of them are the worst general managers I have seen in their respective fields.

I was not aware of these other alleged misconduct issues with the twins fighting football players at Kansas, and didn't know about Marcus' misdemeanor assaults charge when he was with the Rockets. These guys have anger issues, and violence seems to be a solution they resort too in order to solve problems. A part of me says they can mature and grow out of this if someone cares and has patience to work with them. The other part of me says they should know better by now, and need to start showing maturity and growth as adults. Unfortunately with this current violence related incident in Phoenix, and even if they were just on the periphery of the action and didn't participate, it still show they haven't grown up and matured.

I trust McD to deal with this in the best way to help the team. He might dump them for scraps, try to trade them for value, or hold on to them long term. I hope they go in some sort of trade.
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Post#476 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:06 am

Might be collateral in a S+T. Free up 13m, and give a team incentive to not match a RFA. 20PPG for 13m in 3 years is going to be handy for a high salary contender. Don't see another team voluntarily giving up better pieces for them.

I'd be happy to keep them on the bench for now, unless they really are as bad an influence as hinted.
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Post#477 » by RunDogGun » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:11 am

No need for evidence, as much of this thread is limited. Here is an interesting view of the 1996-97 Spurs season:

http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/articles/t ... king-spurs

But back to the Mo-rons (shocked I beat Frank to that one) :lol: From what InLen said, it seems as if there is very little that the police have in this case. If they have a good lawyer, they won't see any jail time. With that said, I think we will be stuck with them at least until the trade deadline. Hopefully they play well enough for a team to take a chance on them, or they mature so much both on and off the court, that there will be no need to move them. But I just can't see a draft day trade involving them, because we would lose too much.
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Post#478 » by jcsunsfan » Wed May 6, 2015 3:54 pm

1UPZ wrote:
Son of Ra wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:That article about Lance Blanks and the Morris brothers blows me away. Three things stand out to me. This first thing is this part of the article: "This is when the story could say that the Suns made the "safe" choice with Morris, although they were aware of the twins being linked to a 2009 fight between the Kansas football and basketball teams and Marcus' misdemeanor battery charge in 2012."

How can people defend the Morris brothers. Six years of bad behavior. Supposedly fighting in college in 2009. Now they are accused of felony aggravated assault in 2015. Marcus had a misdemeanor battery charge in 2012. When you watch that video of Marcus yelling at Hornacek, he did not look like a rational person. He appeared more like an angry man full of rage. I honestly felt that the Suns would trade him after that but they never did. I guess this front office is much more willing to put up with that garbage than Colangelo was unfortunately.

The second thing that stands out is the fact that the Suns were more interested in Jimmer Fredette than Kawhi Leonard. There are no words for something like that. I am speechless about that one. Finally, the third thing that stands out to me is that Blanks was not a fan of European players. Didn't he work for the Spurs? How can you work for the Spurs and see how much success they have had by drafting European players and then not be interested in them. Makes no sense. I do not know who was worse. Kevin Towers or Lance Blanks. I am going to say they are pretty much equal. Both of them are the worst general managers I have seen in their respective fields.

While I basically agree with everything else you said, let's be honest, NOBODY saw Leonard becoming the player he is now and will be. Minus the Spurs (and i wonder if they did to that extent), iirc I read that they were desperately trying to move up in the Draft for him.



Spurs had the following players in their scope during draft as late picks, either traded them or drafted them for themselves
- Dragic
- Barbosa
- Ginobili
- Parker

And they traded UP to get Leonard.

And we all know they tanked hard, by resting Robinson, for Tim Duncan.

Someone at the Spurs FO is a genius.


Don't give the Spurs more credit than due. Dragic and Barbosa were both Suns picks. There is no indication that the Spurs would have picked those players for themselves. Revisionist history here to make an argument. The Spurs are good at finding talent with late picks. Its a given. No need to enhance.
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Post#479 » by Revived » Wed May 6, 2015 7:22 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
Son of Ra wrote:While I basically agree with everything else you said, let's be honest, NOBODY saw Leonard becoming the player he is now and will be. Minus the Spurs (and i wonder if they did to that extent), iirc I read that they were desperately trying to move up in the Draft for him.



Spurs had the following players in their scope during draft as late picks, either traded them or drafted them for themselves
- Dragic
- Barbosa
- Ginobili
- Parker

And they traded UP to get Leonard.

And we all know they tanked hard, by resting Robinson, for Tim Duncan.

Someone at the Spurs FO is a genius.


Don't give the Spurs more credit than due. Dragic and Barbosa were both Suns picks. There is no indication that the Spurs would have picked those players for themselves. Revisionist history here to make an argument. The Spurs are good at finding talent with late picks. Its a given. No need to enhance.

How sad would it be if Ginobili retires this summer and Spurs somehow sign Dragic to replace him? The things Pop would do with him...
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Post#480 » by Revived » Wed May 6, 2015 7:23 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Might be collateral in a S+T. Free up 13m, and give a team incentive to not match a RFA. 20PPG for 13m in 3 years is going to be handy for a high salary contender. Don't see another team voluntarily giving up better pieces for them.

I'd be happy to keep them on the bench for now, unless they really are as bad an influence as hinted.

That's another option I suppose.

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